7 day work week

[candyappy]

@S1969

From their video on Facebook:

“We call it elite because the co-op has its own full time groom who cleans stalls, turns out, brings in, keeps the outdoor water troughs clean and filled, changes sheets and blankets, and keeps the barn spic and span. He does this 7 days a week.”

It is limited to 9 horses, but still, I don’t know that I’d use the “we have ONE guy” in the video.

Nine stalls a day won’t take very long. Sheets/ blankets go along with going out or coming in from turnout. Filling troughs and cleaning troughs is a no brainer and keeping the barn isle and tack room clean isn’t very taxing.

This is a part time job at most and while it would require you to be there in the morning and evening you have plenty of downtime in-between. This isn’t anything but a 1 person job and something anyone could do if the person needed a day off.

[TheHunterKid90]

If you scanned through the whole Facebook page and the strangest vibes you got was the 7 day a week groom. 😳
Looks like a beautiful place but a little…off.

[gottagrey]

@TheHunterKid90

If you scanned through the whole Facebook page and the strangest vibes you got was the 7 day a week groom. 😳
Looks like a beautiful place but a little…off.

Is there a link to the FB Post. am curious.

[TheHunterKid90]

@gottagrey

Is there a link to the FB Post. am curious.

“Burlington Farms”

[EmilyM]

I think any job that requires 7 days per week work with no break is a recipe for burnout and disaster. This is why I quit my job on Wall Street. I don’t care if it’s manual labor or white collar stuff. I believe it’s important for people to have down time so they are rested and motivated. The documentation only matters if you are the employer imho.

[OTTBs]

@TheHunterKid90

“Burlington Farms”

That didn’t bring up anything. However, “elite co-op horses” did.

[clanter]

@EmilyM

I think any job that requires 7 days per week work with no break is a recipe for burnout and disaster. This is why I quit my job on Wall Street. I don’t care if it’s manual labor or white collar stuff. I believe it’s important for people to have down time so they are rested and motivated. The documentation only matters if you are the employer imho.

yeah when I was in the Army I expressed the same concern

The documentation only matters if you are the employer imho

well, I prefer to deal with companies that do their business matters legally so to me it does matter… if they are wanting to run around behind the laws of using document labor which other law or regulation will they decide is frivolous

[Tarlo_Farm]

Not only do those of us with our horses at home work 7 days a week, but so did I as an employee at race tracks and training barns. I might work fewer hours on a Sunday or Monday, but I had to show up. This is NOT an issue (unless you’re concerned about “undocumented” employees, which is another can of worms. For you.)

[ladyj79]

@Tarlo Farm

Not only do those of us with our horses at home work 7 days a week, but so did I as an employee at race tracks and training barns. I might work fewer hours on a Sunday or Monday, but I had to show up. This is NOT an issue (unless you’re concerned about “undocumented” employees, which is another can of worms. For you.)

Is there anyone for whom undocumented employees and how that manifests in ill treatment and shameful working conditions isn’t a problem?

And how the people who employ undocumented labor do so to circumvent taxes and fair labor practices?

Is this really something that is like an us-them debate where the them aren’t uniformally viewed as garbage bags?

[Red_Barn]

@ladyj79

Is there anyone for whom undocumented employees and how that manifests in ill treatment and shameful working conditions isn’t a problem?

And how the people who employ undocumented labor do so to circumvent taxes and fair labor practices?

Is this really something that is like an us-them debate where the them aren’t uniformally viewed as garbage bags?

Well, the facebook ad (yes, I did look it up!) shows the groom to be a middle-aged Hispanic guy. Would these “elite” folks actually show a picture of an undocumented person? Who knows? The ad copy, in bright yellow Comic Sans, looks like it was put together by a tween, so maybe.

Beyond that, I’m kind of surprised by the number of people who seem to be bragging about the way they’ve been exploited by some branch of the horse industry. We all know this happens - in my own experience in New England, this is more likely to take the form of working barely-paid “working students” nearly to death - but why excuse it? Regardless of whether the person is an undocumented immigrant or a powerless teenager far from home, this kind of exploitation is surely a blot on the industry rather than something to crow about, no?

[trubandloki]

@Red Barn

Beyond that, I’m kind of surprised by the number of people who seem to be bragging about the way they’ve been exploited by some branch of the horse industry. We all know this happens - in my own experience in New England, this is more likely to take the form of working barely-paid “working students” nearly to death - but why excuse it? Regardless of whether the person is an undocumented immigrant or a powerless teenager far from home, this kind of exploitation is surely a blot on the industry rather than something to crow about, no?

I can say that I was not bragging about the way I was exploited. I was pointing out that as an adult that needed a second job to afford my horse a little better I was happy to work at the barn seven days per week just a few hours per day. If the job required a full day commitment I could not have done it because I had a full time job. The few hours a day was great and seven days per week allowed for more pay.
In other words, I think it matters how your glasses are tinted, because I totally thought it was a blessing, not being exploited at all.

[clanter]

@ladyj79

And how the people who employ undocumented labor do so to circumvent taxes and fair labor practices?

My company was audited by the state for workers compensation tax… I was there in the office with the auditor who said Every One Who Employees Workers in This state pays this tax… I asked Mr Auditor to step over here to look out the window as contractors stopped on the street to pick up day workers from in front of the building… now, what about Those employers?.. he said nothing more

Afterwards I just sold my businesses off and went to work in commissioned sales

[Spudsmyguy]

Just read in the paper this morning that WA state courts have voted that farm workers who work more than 40 hours a week were entitled to overtime pay. It was mostly to protect the workers in the dairy industry but I wonder how it will affect horse farms. Those 7 day work weeks might be a thing of the past if the farm owner has to pay overtime (if the worker is on the books and legal).

[ladyj79]

@trubandloki

I can say that I was not bragging about the way I was exploited. I was pointing out that as an adult that needed a second job to afford my horse a little better I was happy to work at the barn seven days per week just a few hours per day. If the job required a full day commitment I could not have done it because I had a full time job. The few hours a day was great and seven days per week allowed for more pay.
In other words, I think it matters how your glasses are tinted, because I totally thought it was a blessing, not being exploited at all.

a part time job is not the same thing.

Also what you were doing was presumably under the table and to support your hobby. It’s still compensation that likely also required taxation, presuming your compensation for horse expenses equaled more than 600 dollars for the year.

That is very different from your job-job for realsies, keeping a roof over your head, and food on the table.

[Red_Barn]

@ladyj79

a part time job is not the same thing.

Also what you were doing was presumably under the table and to support your hobby. It’s still compensation that likely also required taxation, presuming your compensation for horse expenses equaled more than 600 dollars for the year.

That is very different from your job-job for realsies, keeping a roof over your head, and food on the table.

Or being a teenaged working student under the heel of some unscrupulous BNT, or an undocumented immigrant with no legal protections.

Do people say, “Well, I take care of my kids every day of the year for nothing, so teachers and nannies and riding instructors should be happy to do the same!”? Of course not. Doing something voluntarily, for love or for fun, is irrelevant to what others have to do for money.

[TheJenners]

@Red Barn

Or being a teenaged working student under the heel of some unscrupulous BNT, or an undocumented immigrant with no legal protections.

Do people say, “Well, I take care of my kids every day of the year for nothing, so teachers and nannies and riding instructors should be happy to do the same!”? Of course not. Doing something voluntarily, for love or for fun, is irrelevant to what others have to do for money.

I agree with you, but also, so many SAHMs I know love to tout what their “make believe” salary would be if they were “paid” to be nanny, cook, maid, chauffeur, tutor, etc. Yanno, the things you do to raise a decent human being.

As to the thread at hand: I can’t find the creepy video or the FB page, the only “Burlington Farms” I pull up online is in NJ and looks nice, and also looks to have both a manager and an assist manager who provides groom services. I can’t find a FB page probably because I live 20 min from a city called Burlington also, so nothing is hitting from the other coast. And OP left out it was a 10 horse facility, or nine or whatever. This is DEFINITELY not a FT job.

[HeyJealousy]

I didn’t read the entire thread, but with regard to working 7 days a week…every single racetrack job I ever had was 7 days a week, and although I did eventually burn out, there are thousands of people who do the job as groom or hotwalker for their entire adult lives and never get days off. And these are legit jobs on the books.