“Natural horsemanship” clinician ?

I’m looking to host a “natural horsemanship” type clinic but am struggling to find a clinician I really like.

We are primarily a dressage barn so it would mostly be groundwork - not so much cattle working etc.

The dream would be to get Buck Brannaman to come but needless to say that’s highly unlikely - so looking for other options.

I really want someone from the Buck/ Ray Hunt / Tom Dorrance school. Ideally someone who has spent significant time working with any or all of those guys.

suggestions? Thanks!

Ps -we are outside NYC but willing to pay travel for the right trainer!

IIRC, I worked with this guy years ago (in Maine). http://www.gregeliel.com/about.html You can read about him. He was really kind to the horses (and me) when I had a humter-jumper with a screw lose. I learned a lot.

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A boarder of mine lessons with Jake @ Pear Tree Ranch regularly, and he travels all over for clinics. I’m not super big on “natural horsemanship” personally, but he’s a great trainer in general, really nice guy, and is kind, calm, and patient. He teaches for all disciplines, his wife does dressage I believe, and my boarder rides English.

http://www.jakespeartreeranch.com

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Our barn brings in Barb Gerbitz once a year. She is into dressage and is a Buck protegee. Good luck!
https://www.facebook.com/pg/GerbitzQuarterHorses/about/?ref=page_internal

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Mindy Bower if you can get her!

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Lindsey Partridge is excellent and has been working recently with a Canadian Olympic dressage rider. http://www.harmonyhorsemanship.ca/

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Do you mean “groundwork” or “flatwork?”

Tik Maynard is very good at blending ‘natural’ horsemanship with English riding skills & style.

http://www.copperlineequestrian.com/tikmaynard/

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Mindy Bower of UhOh Ranch in Colorado has worked a bit with dressage folks, I believe. Very much in the Hunt/Dorrance/Brannaman tradition (she’s Buck B’s sister in law, I seem to recall). I’ve seen enough crappy NH stuff over the years to be a little skeptical of most, but Mindy is quite insightful.

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All dressage riding is flatwork :slight_smile: so groundwork means in hand work, rider not mounted.

I can’t say from experience but if you are wanting a dressage/horsemanship blend you might try Sarah Martin, Jim Hicks, Joseph Newcomb, Ellen Eckstein.

I highly recommend Patrick King for you. He is kind to humans and horses. Besides natural horsemanship, he teaches biomechanics and classical dressage. https://pkhorsemanship.com

Greg Eliel is also kind to humans and horses and a wonderful teacher. He is not as dressage influenced as Patrick, but teaches many dressage riders. http://www.gregeliel.com

Both clinic on the east coast and are from the Dorrance/Hunt/Brannaman school. Buck is amazing – if you get him in a good mood. Patrick and Greg have endless patience.

There is also Karen Rohlf, Dressage Naturally, or her licensed instructor Shawna Lewis. They are both very good and very kind, but expensive. Buck is probably pretty pricey too.

That’s why I asked, Scribbler. I just wondered if the OP meant just groundwork or intended some mounted work too. Point of clarification, that’s all.

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Greg Eliel is awesome and not that far in Hunterdon County NJ.

Mindy Bower

Jim Hicks

Kip Fladland

Kip worked for and travelled with Buck Brannaman. He’s a super nice guy. His wife Missy has her Bronze and Silver medals on horses she produced herself, so I expect that Kip knows more than a little bit about dressage.

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Some good suggestions! Perhaps look into Richard Schouten of Remount Horsemanship, a NH trainer who works out of my barn. I’m at this barn because 6 years ago I came on the advice of a dressage trainer I was working with at the time, whose dressage training/USDF “insider” (can’t remember her position) mother taught him lessons. Also, my 4-year old horse needed a behavioral intervention-he was an insecure mess and was borderline dangerous. He gained a deserved reputation. Richard teaches excellent groundwork exercises to gain confidence in horses and riders, and improve communication that translates to under-saddle work. He uses the same philosophy as you’d do when riding: yielding to pressure, paying attention to you, waiting for your commands, and you learning to reward by releasing pressure the moment the horse complies in order to “show the way”. Richard can teach groundwork to any breed and discipline, does lots of clinics, and is an excellent, upbeat teacher. He is, btw, the reason I still own and now really, really enjoy my horse. I still use the groundwork methods any time my horse “winds up”, and they are now routine enough that my horse can calm down with the familiarity of things. He literally now loads comfortably at the end of a longe line and understands that he’s working on the ground as well as under saddle and the work goes by the same principles. Check out his facebook pages for glimpses of his style.

I would not recommend Buck B. He’s good with horses but not people, unless maybe you’re young, skinny and good-looking.

PS, my dressage horse worked cows with this trainer, it was great!!! He was so much better (once he got over the cows, it took multiple occasions) than the QHs because I could put his body exactly where it needed to be to move the cows to a goal, etc, because of his dressage training. Thus, I could exquisitely direct the cows and the horse discovered purpose for the trained movements - he learned that cows move because of and based on his movement. He became very interested to do the work. Also, I was patient - because we wait seemingly forever while developing the horse. If you get the opportunity to work cows with your dressage horse, do! Your horse will likely be less bothered by anything s/he sees at a show or what you ask him/her to do in training.

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I second or third Greg Eliel. He is unfailingly kind to horses and people. He doesn’t come from a dressage background but I’ve always left his lessons/clinics with a looser, more supple horse.

Someone on another natural horsemanship thread mentioned concerns about the longer group sessions. When I brought my 3 year old, I was able to do some ground work, ride a bit, leave and go a on quick hack, and come back to ride for a few more minutes. Greg was supportive of my read on my youngster.

Definitely Joseph Newcomb. He has a youtube channel if you want to see his work before booking.

I also say Greg Eliel! I have ridden with him many times and he really helped me with my dressage horse. I also have had the opportunity to ride with Buck a few times. Greg’s teaching is pretty much identical.

This guy is fantastic:

http://www.brandtclark.com/

He tends to have more young warmbloods at his stable than anything else, as a lot of dressage riders send their horses there to be started. I also saw him in a colt starting competition and was blown away.