A young, emotionally-needy dog. Ideas?

We recently lost our old BC mix. Our remaining English Setter was depressed. I found a mixed older puppy of some sort of GSD mix at a local shelter. She is sweet, housebroken, knows a few commands, and adjusted well to ignoring the cats and avoiding the horses. We’ve had her exactly one month.

She lives outside with the other dog, they play and nap and have a good time, and sleep inside the house at night. She gets attention in the AM from both of us, then again when we get home, going to the barn, rubbing on her, petting and cuddling… But you know…we’re used to dogs that are like hey how are you and then they kinda…do their own dog thing. She is sorta obsessed with DH and I. If he is at home, moving around the house, she tracks his progress by following him on the wraparound porch. If he glances outside, she’s staring at him. She learned early on that jumping on us was a non starter, so she races to us, sits on our feet and waits- that’s fine :wink: but when it’s time to walk off, she’s balls-to-the-wall zippy dippy OMGOMGOMGOMG we’re walking!!! excited. It’s a little wearing, I’ll be honest. She does not cry for us when we put her up at night, or bark with anxiety, or chase the cars down the drive, etc…but the neediness, the stalking ;)…if we continue to ignore it (ignore the bad, reward the good- if I can catch her napping on her bed, I quietly approach her and stroke her without a word, or just soft, quiet words)…do you think she’ll stop-or lay off, even- stalking my husband?

Thoughts?

I’ve found GSD’s to be very people oriented. They need to be with their person. I have a gsd/boxer mix that is a velcro dog. I found her waiting at a stop sign beside a rd, checking each car that passed to see if it was her owner. She waited there for a week, and then moved into the ditch. Tried to catch her the 1st day, but she ran, and went right back to the spot when I got in the car. She is definitely sensitive, and needy. She’s about 11 yrs old now, and still the same.
It may also be that whatever led to her being left at a shelter, caused her to be needy. Or just her personality. Just accept her for who she is.
You can try NILIF with her, to see if the structure, and feeling that she has consistency/control helps her be more confident, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that is her basic nature.

I have a young female Akita/GSD mix. She is the say way and watches me like a hawk. I’m no expert but I believe it’s a breed characteristic to keep a watchful eye on the family.

Wow. Just. Wow.

You have a PUPPY, who lived in the emotional wasteland of a shelter, and now that she has human companionship that she is offering total unconditional love, trying as best she can to thank you for saving her life, you want her to ignore you because her attention too much for you?

Don’t worry about doing anything. After she keeps getting rebuffed enough she’ll stop stalking you. She won’t understand what she’s done wrong because all she’s trying to do is please you. You’ll leave her sad and confused, but at least she’ll be alive, which is better than being euthed at the shelter, or adopted out to someone who ends up abusing her.

Please don’t ever get a Jack Russell. They’re for people who want companions, not animated furniture when they get a dog.

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Give her some time. My rescued collie (animal control seizure) was a basket case when we first brought her home. Six months later, she no longer needs to be the velcro dog. She still doesn’t do well if her routine is changed…but she’s a sweetheart.

However, maybe it would be best for you to find her to find a new home. She’s a puppy, who needs attention and love and a rescue on top of it.

I am no dog expert but I agree - she’s needy because of what has already happened to her in her short life. Give her lots of love for heaven’s sake. She may always be needy. She is who she is.

I think it is more of a GSD thing. They are very intense dogs IME. I also think it is a puppy thing as well. If she is too much for you as far as wanting all that attention, you may want to see if you can find a better match for her - she may actually get more needy if she feels anxious (although it sounds like you are paying quite a bit of attention to her). Perhaps give it another month and then see if you can place her…

Kryswyn, I think that was uncalled for - the OP pointed out how much attention they are giving this puppy and never said she is or plans to rebuff the dog. Some people just do not like very needy dogs - that does not make them bad people or bad dog owners. The OP has not indicated in ANY WAY that she will dump this puppy or be mean to it, just that the dog is too clingy for her taste and she is not used to this type of personality in a dog. Chill.

I like the thought of having a dog, but stories like this give me paws.

Heh heh. Couldnt’ resist. Sorry, carry on!

Would a very appealing chew toy with peanut butter or something serve as a distraction or teaching tool to help her learn that she doesn’t need to stalk?

I think you got the wrong dog :frowning: GSDs are super people oriented “velcro” dogs. It would be unrealistic to get a GSD and not expect it to follow you everywhere. If you’re working at your desk, it’s laying at your feet. When you take a shower, it lays on the bathmat till you’re done, etc. I think if you didn’t have the other dog and a property for the puppy to explore, she would be even more glued to you than she already is!

IMO you should either learn to love a “velcro” dog. Or you should re-home her while she’s still young and more desirable to potential adopters. If you decide to re-home her and get another dog, research breed traits thoroughly! Now that you know how big of a need independence is for you, you can adopt more responsibly in the future.

A couple breeds with reputations for being independent: Airedale Terrier, Alaskan Huskies, Chow Chow, Shar Pei. Definitely the Airdale. I’ve known several people that own them and their loudest praise is always how independent the dogs are. Research breed specific rescues to adopt from. You get the best of both worlds: rescuing a dog that needs a home, and being able to pick for specific breed characteristics; something you can’t even hope to do with a mutt.

On any given weekday I let her out in the mornings and she gets her milkbone and goes about her business. Before I leave I spend a few minutes with her, quietly stroking her and giving her a squeeze. I want her to be ok, to be at peace with ‘you’re ok, you’re not going anywhere’. I try to convey that vibe, that feeling of peace onto her. I believe she’ll get there so she can be more chillaxed. Meanwhile DH is routinely home longer during the week than I am in the mornings, so he spends some time with her too, and he gets home earlier, so yesterday was a nice long hike with him and the Soap dog to the deer feeder and feeding the fish in the pond. She’s pretty good at catching a slice of white bread on the fly. Good girl. She does have to learn that crawling all over our other dog is not a good plan, so she does get ignored when she does that. When she tries just wiggling merrily, she gets lots of stroking and scrubbing, and quiet praise. She never gets verbally fussed at, it’s just body language, FWIW, showing her the zooming stuff doesn’t yield what she wants. I have three day weekends and she gets tons of attention from me then, she goes on trail rides, she goes in the bed of the Mule to check fences, she is hilarious about mimicking the big dog, Soap, and shadowing what he does. He likes her and it is nice to see him playing again. He’s 11, the BC we lost was 13, and they were just a little old married couple. I know that some part of us is aggravated that the new kid isn’t the old girl: it’s not fair but it’s there and I do like this little wiggle buns. I just don’t want her to live in my mouth :wink:

I appreciate those of you who took the time to hear what I tried to convey. Our animals are ‘family’, they aren’t furniture, Kryswyn, that’s laughable and ridiculous, but that’s how you roll, I suppose. We love and cherish our dogs and cats (all 100% found-animals that had been dumped on our county road) and losing our old GSD/BC, Noodle was losing a treasure. I’d well and truly rescued her from being dumped as a 4 month old GSD/BC mixed pup, she was so scared she peed all over my apartment when I came home from work. I learned to push the door open w/o a word, and go back outside. It would take about 2 minutes, but she would creeeeep outside then be delighted to see me. In time she blossomed into everyone’s favorite. Noodle was a wonderful trail and farm dog, go for a boat ride dog, or just snuggle in the grass dog. She was just a wise old lady. I do not expect or require or think the new kid can ‘be’ Noodle, or a chair?..I have a little more grey matter than that, thanks.

I appreciate those of you who ‘heard me’. I didn’t expect a hard and fast YES or NO, of course. It will be interesting to see what some tincture of time brings.

Also Noodle was some mix of GSD/BC/something and was totally an emotion-driven keeper…yet despite that mix she was super laid back, gentle, reserved. So FWIW her demeanor and coloring being similar to the new girl…well, the new girl is Very Happy to Be Here. :wink: And we’ll adjust and I was just asking a question- I am actually amused at Kryswyn’s vitriol- it’s just so skreecky harpy over the top when all I asked is…

ya think she’ll chill, maybe?

Thanks!

man, I tried going the rescue route,but geez oh pete the forms, the interviews, the home visits, etc etc etc I was just over it. And our dogs live outside, on a farm, in the middle of nowhere, in the woods, off leash. Yeah, I’m the devil in their eyes. Never gonna happen.

Exercise, training, a job + why outside?

Having grown up with outdoor dogs “cuz that’s where dogs want to be” <:lol:> life with an indoor dog is a whole new and wonderful world. The relationship I have is eons away from the outdoor dogs even though I spent hours one-on-one hiking, training, trail riding, overseeing mowing, etc and they often slept inside (basement NEVER a bedroom!).

I no longer see the point of an outdoor dog unless it is a working guardian.

OP I sincerely and without motive ask why dogs are outside? Curious about your setup and reasons. Maybe that can help COTHers suggest ways to ease this dog’s anxiety and give her direction. As always, how much exercise? How much training and what kind (focus, distance, impulse control, etc)?

I agree she needs structure and security which will come with time and consistency. She also needs a job besides stalking hubby.

Personal Anecdote skip if ya like:
I have two dogs. One is only interested when/if he thinks I might have food. The other? Bolts into the bathroom door when I enter it. I have slammed the door on him too many times :eek: yet accidental rebuff does nothing to curb his enthusiastic desire to spend ‘quality time.’ :no: Now I have supervised hygiene. Not a choice for everyone! I am a bona fide Crazy Dog Lady. Oh, and the old man who only wants me for my food sits outside the bathroom keeping watch…surely Velcro dog is getting fed in there…?

I think given time she may chill. They usually pick up on the vibes of their owners (that is why mine are all couch potatos lol!). Excercise is also the best thing for her, and if she can have some sort of a “job”. A tired dog is a good dog! Our corgi’s job is to close doors and bark at the horses if they paw the fenceline. She takes her job very seriously! Sounds like your dogs do plenty with you and are very active, so that should help.

Sometimes we forget how active young dogs can be (and yes, needy). The oldsters are so settled into a routine…

Good for you for having such a great family and for being so concientious about the new dog’s care and environment.

I am glad for you that you are enjoying your inside dogs, that’s very cool.

My dogs live outside because that is where they live. That’s not up for discussion as there ain’t no way that is changing, and it’s not what I asked :slight_smile:

Job? She is learning to lie down, trying to figure out if she wants to chase the squeaky cheeseburger, and protecting me from the weedeater (she wanted to no part of DH when he had it and thought she and I should motorboat :wink: and going on trail rides. And catching bread on the dock.

Our dogs get a ton of stimulation, holy cow we’re always doing something. She helped him pull the string off a round bale. They don’t live in a run. They live on my property and have the run of 30+ acres, a pond, and woods. Not a bad deal.

(funny, I suspect I’m about to learn how wrong I am on all of that).

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I am glad for you that you are enjoying your inside dogs, that’s very cool.

My dogs live outside because that is where they live. That’s not up for discussion as there ain’t no way that is changing, and it’s not what I asked :slight_smile:

Job? She is learning to lie down, trying to figure out if she wants to chase the squeaky cheeseburger, and protecting me from the weedeater (she wanted to no part of DH when he had it and thought she and I should motorboat :wink: and going on trail rides. And catching bread on the dock.[/QUOTE]

I suspect this was in response to my post so I’m going to elaborate on “job” after reading her current resume. Those jobs focuse on or involve you/DH. That is great for bonding!

Since you asked for help getting this dog out of your hair, she needs a job independent of people. The poster who cited her Corgi’s job to bark at pawing horses and closing doors are good examples.

PS I was curious about the reasons for the living arrangement espec since they are inside at night. Glad we can be civil :yes:. My pops, who was a staunch cowboy-‘animalsbelongoutside’-type, now has a furry bedwarmer :lol: I had nothing to do with it!

The English Setter will bark all night if left outside. This morphed into coming inside. We have a 70s era blue leather sofa I abhor. That belongs to Soap. When he goes, it goes :wink:

Soap and Noodle
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Soap and Elsa
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she can chillax
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I will ponder a job. Great suggestion!

A GSD is a working dog…as in they are made to work, not sit outside and get pet on the head 30 minutes a day.

The life you are providing her is nice but it’s not what she was designed to do. As an adult and then senior she will probably appreciate lounging around and sun bathing but right now the lack of work and human time is probably creating a lot of anxiety. In retrospect it probably would have been better to get a non-working breed or a mid aged dog that appreciates a lot of down time.

If you are determined to keep her I think it really is necessary to give her a job. If you don’t have a desire to do obedience, agility, nose work, therapy, etc, etc, etc. Then you should find her an unofficial job.

Even 15 minutes teaching her tricks can give her the mental stimulation and human contact that she needs. Teaching her to play fetch is a very easy way to have human interaction with minimal human effort. It really is not fair for a puppy to be alone all day and then get a pat on the head when you get home.

My schnauzer puppy is 7 months old and certainly not a “working” dog but he needs a ton of interaction right now. For the first time on Monday he was alone for a solid 12 hours and he was an absolute neurotic basket case when I got home. Honestly I couldn’t blame him and I felt bad for not making the time to ensure he had ample interaction. For my guy he needs to go until he is exhausted each and every day. Once he’s “worked” he is super independent and doesn’t need to be velcroed to my side.

I don’t think you are a “bad” owner but I do think that you have unrealistic expectations about what is a happy life for a working breed puppy.

One of us rides nearly every afternoon. And she goes. So that’s 30-60-sometimes 90 minutes of going going going on rough terrain and she loves it. Her three day weekends are busy, too. We are outside peeps when we’re home and she’s a part of all of it. She’s busy with us when we’re home. She’ll cope and thrive and be fine.

It is what it is. I’d like to ride horses all day but my job won’t allow it. It’s called adapting :wink: She has three cats and another dog to interact with. I get it that we are vitally important to her- but frankly she’s not a pureblooded GSD, purpose bred and driven…She’s… something, and she’s not stuck in a chain kennel alone in a silent backyard all day. Girlfriend’s going to be ok.

Lots of dogs over the course of human history, especially on farms have lived basically outside and thrived. Personally I would not have adopted an unknown quantity, I would have gotten a purebred from working/outdoor stock that had been selected for these traits. I am sure, when she is secure in her routine she will be fine. GSDs in Europe are very often maintained outside, the attitude on dogs is not the same there as here. She is probably insecure from being dumped and after a period of time, she will realize all is fine and relax a bit. Some dogs are more intrinsically clingly, so since this is not a trait you find desirable hopefully she will not be that way. I would reinforce all positive steps at independence and train her for a sit stay or go to place so when she is in your way, you have a command that gets her off of you and she can be rewarded some. Don’t worry about others attitudes, not all people perceive their pets as children. My dogs live in my house by choice, but my breed has a long s history of being alble to accomodate an outddor situation as well.