Ace or Dorm

[Simkie]

@gumtree if you are dispensing medication to a horse you don’t own, you are practicing veterinary medicine without a license. That’s illegal.

Sure, you may think it’s government overreach and dumb. But it’s still not legal.

This isn’t rocket science. Stick a needle in a horse that’s not yours? Are you a vet? Then no, you are not permitted to do that.

Here is the law specific to PA.

https://www.animallaw.info/statute/pa-veterinary-chapter-14a-veterinary-medicine-practice

Here’s all the stuff you are not permitted to do, because you’re not a vet.

10. “Practice of veterinary medicine” includes, but is not limited to, the practice by any person who (i) diagnoses, treats, corrects, changes, relieves or prevents animal disease, deformity, injury or other physical, mental or dental conditions by any method or mode, including the prescription or administration of any drug, medicine, biologic, apparatus, application, anesthetic or other therapeutic or diagnostic substance or technique, (ii) performs a surgical operation, including cosmetic surgery, upon any animal, (iii) performs any manual procedure upon an animal for the diagnosis or treatment of sterility or infertility of animals, (iv) represents himself as engaged in the practice of veterinary medicine, (v) offers, undertakes, or holds himself out as being able to diagnose, treat, operate, vaccinate, or prescribe for any animal disease, pain, injury, deformity, or physical condition, (vi) uses any words, letters, or titles in such connection or under such circumstances as to induce the belief that the person using them is engaged in the practice of veterinary medicine and such use shall be prima facie evidence of the intention to represent himself as engaged in the practice of veterinary medicine, (vii) performs diagnostic veterinary pathology, (viii) implants electronic identification, as determined by the board, upon any animal, (ix) renders advice or recommendation by any means, including the electronic transmission of data with regard to any of the above, or (x) removes any embryo from an animal for the purpose of transferring such embryo into another animal or cryopreserving such embryo, except it shall not be considered the practice of veterinary medicine when: (a) a person or his full-time employe removes or transfers an embryo from the person’s own animals for the purpose of transferring or cryopreserving the embryo so long as ownership of the animal is not transferred or employment of the person is not changed for the purpose of circumventing this act or (b) a person independently, with indirect veterinary supervision, implants any embryo into an animal.

[tabula_rashah]

@Simkie

@gumtree if you are dispensing medication to a horse you don’t own, you are practicing veterinary medicine without a license. That’s illegal.

Sure, you may think it’s government overreach and dumb. But it’s still not legal.

This isn’t rocket science. Stick a needle in a horse that’s not yours? Are you a vet? Then no, you are not permitted to do that.

Here is the law specific to PA.

https://www.animallaw.info/statute/pa-veterinary-chapter-14a-veterinary-medicine-practice

Here’s all the stuff you are not permitted to do, because you’re not a vet.

10. “Practice of veterinary medicine” includes, but is not limited to, the practice by any person who (i) diagnoses, treats, corrects, changes, relieves or prevents animal disease, deformity, injury or other physical, mental or dental conditions by any method or mode, including the prescription or administration of any drug, medicine, biologic, apparatus, application, anesthetic or other therapeutic or diagnostic substance or technique, (ii) performs a surgical operation, including cosmetic surgery, upon any animal, (iii) performs any manual procedure upon an animal for the diagnosis or treatment of sterility or infertility of animals, (iv) represents himself as engaged in the practice of veterinary medicine, (v) offers, undertakes, or holds himself out as being able to diagnose, treat, operate, vaccinate, or prescribe for any animal disease, pain, injury, deformity, or physical condition, (vi) uses any words, letters, or titles in such connection or under such circumstances as to induce the belief that the person using them is engaged in the practice of veterinary medicine and such use shall be prima facie evidence of the intention to represent himself as engaged in the practice of veterinary medicine, (vii) performs diagnostic veterinary pathology, (viii) implants electronic identification, as determined by the board, upon any animal, (ix) renders advice or recommendation by any means, including the electronic transmission of data with regard to any of the above, or (x) removes any embryo from an animal for the purpose of transferring such embryo into another animal or cryopreserving such embryo, except it shall not be considered the practice of veterinary medicine when: (a) a person or his full-time employe removes or transfers an embryo from the person’s own animals for the purpose of transferring or cryopreserving the embryo so long as ownership of the animal is not transferred or employment of the person is not changed for the purpose of circumventing this act or (b) a person independently, with indirect veterinary supervision, implants any embryo into an animal.

ha ha ha! according to this everyone on COTH is performing illegal actions “renders advice or recommendation by any means, including the electronic transmission of data with regard to any of the above”

I’ve given tons of injections- definitely more to other people’s horses than to my own including in PA at one of the US’s most prominent vet hospitals (where I was neither a vet or a tech).

[CFFarm]

@findeight

OP has a horse she only recently bailed out of a homeless situation several states away with a sketchy to non exsistant backstory and questionable handling skills. Assuming it’s this new horse, not the one she got semi feral that she’s had for three years or so and has worked hard to install good ground manners in,

Sometimes you have to choose between not tending to sore and abscessed feet on a horse you didn’t start and haven’t had long screwed up and possibly abused by somebody else or using one time chemical help to treat the feet and not get anybody stressed out or hurt. Horse won’t forget what it’s learned, get more scared or lose what confidence it’s built since arriving. Bad foot manners can be harder and take longer to school out, especially if the feet hurt. Heck even a well trained horse can get touchy about having sore feet handled.

Use the dorm gel. Easiest, I think, in this situation. I never had any issues with Ace in any barn I was in but it’s not as effective IM or orally. the dorm gel probably isn’t as effective either but it’s pretty easy to administer if you are at home and can time it to be in full effect when the farrier starts. And with a smaller horse you got a better chance of staying on target… might want to give some Bute the night before too for discomfort both during and after the work.

Of course she should do what’s necessary to stay safe. As I said “once the feet are caught up” which means tended to. I’m sure she is installing good manners and standing for shoeing and medical treatment should be job one.