It looks like BN Horse division was a dressage show, no problems for Training or novice horse, but Training Amateur has already had 4 rider falls, a retirement and an elimination and only half the field has gone. You either jumped double clear or fell off your horse.
[QUOTE=Littleluck55;8825656]
It looks like BN Horse division was a dressage show, no problems for Training or novice horse, but Training Amateur has already had 4 rider falls, a retirement and an elimination and only half the field has gone. You either jumped double clear or fell off your horse.[/QUOTE]
Of course the unique thing about the AECs is that the horses there are good for their level. They aren’t horses who struggle to get around or usually have stops. The horses there are theoretically quite successful at the level they qualified at or they wouldn’t be there at all.
And while the course designer can try to toughen a course for a championship, they can only go so far within the parameters of that level. (And that is 100% not a comment on the design at this particular venue, it’s more of a general comment on championship results. Seems like we have the same comments every year about the AECs being a dressage show. But it’s because the horses who qualify have a much higher propensity to finish on their dressage score than the horses who don’t qualify.)
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Of course the unique thing about the AECs is that the horses there are good for their level. They aren’t horses who struggle to get around or usually have stops. The horses there are theoretically quite successful at the level they qualified at or they wouldn’t be there at all.
And while the course designer can try to toughen a course for a championship, they can only go so far within the parameters of that level. (And that is 100% not a comment on the design at this particular venue, it’s more of a general comment on championship results. Seems like we have the same comments every year about the AECs being a dressage show. But it’s because the horses who qualify have a much higher propensity to finish on their dressage score than the horses who don’t qualify.)[/QUOTE]
I didn’t mean for it to come out negatively, I was more comparing it to the Training amateur division and the issues they are having. Just looked at it again and they have 5 rider falls, seems unusually high for a championship division.
looking at these courses just solidifies in my mind the reasons i have been drifting away from eventing the past few years. I have gone to AECs several times and watched it turn from Amateur mini olympics to yet another chance for the pros and BNR s to give their clients horses a title. I agree with all the negative nellies on this board.
I however, have chosen to no longer do any recognized events (i have not renewed my membership since 2013). I’m sure the world of eventing does not miss little old me jumping around on my average TBs, but I’ll find something fun to do instead. I just dont like what the sport has evolved in to. 
Like I said on the Pony Club championships thread - it’s a gorgeous facility, a wonderful place to ride any ring-based discipline. It’s just not ready to do cross country, if it ever will be. I hope they find a way to build a REAL X-C course, but my hopes are not high. If PC champs returns in 2018 and things haven’t changed for the better, I’ll encourage the kid to go for a different discipline.
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I mean totally, like, duh, who cares about the course, I mean seriously, I’m here for the fancy bathrooms, and cool jumbotrons and fancy parties and the money money money. Cross country, like what’s that? Maybe, like next year or something, we could just, like, skip it completely, I mean, like, seriously, who needs it.[/QUOTE]
I did, and I echo NCRider’s sentiment. I went to AEC last year (had a BLAST!) and qualified again this year, but chose not to go. As long as it looks like this, I will continue to choose not to go. If I wanted to show at Wellyworld I would have stayed in the jumper ring and kept paying out the nose to do so. I love eventing for what it is, and seeing it go the way of h/j would really make me sad. I just can’t support that.
Holding out hope that Colorado will be more “back to normal”, or that Tryon builds a real XC course, otherwise I’ll just continue to spend my $$$ on better events.
Also, Jesus H, Training Amateur was a bloodbath. What in the world???
[QUOTE=MsRidiculous;8825794]
I did, and I echo NCRider’s sentiment. I went to AEC last year (had a BLAST!) and qualified again this year, but chose not to go. As long as it looks like this, I will continue to choose not to go. If I wanted to show at Wellyworld I would have stayed in the jumper ring and kept paying out the nose to do so. I love eventing for what it is, and seeing it go the way of h/j would really make me sad. I just can’t support that.
Holding out hope that Colorado will be more “back to normal”, or that Tryon builds a real XC course, otherwise I’ll just continue to spend my $$$ on better events.
Also, Jesus H, Training Amateur was a bloodbath. What in the world???[/QUOTE]
It looks like they have changed some of those RF’s to R’s. At one point it had 7 rider falls but when I just looked again, it is down to 4 RF’s and 4 R’s and an E. Maybe they misreported the scores originally?
How come I can’t find it on Live Scoring?
[QUOTE=Carolinadreamin’;8825831]
How come I can’t find it on Live Scoring?[/QUOTE]
It’s on startbox scoring not event entries.
Thanks, don’t know why I couldn’t find it!
6 falls, wow. Hope horses and riders are all ok.
[QUOTE=Littleluck55;8825819]
It looks like they have changed some of those RF’s to R’s. At one point it had 7 rider falls but when I just looked again, it is down to 4 RF’s and 4 R’s and an E. Maybe they misreported the scores originally?[/QUOTE]
3 of those R’s (that were originally RF’s) have no refusals or anything preceding them, except for one which had a refusal earlier in course from where the R happened, which to me says horse falls.
What is ATC? Sorry for the silly question, but never heard of the acronym Until today! Lol
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What is ATC? Sorry for the silly question, but never heard of the acronym Until today! Lol[/QUOTE]
Adult Team Challenge (or in this case championships)
http://useventing.com/resource/learn-more-about-usea-adult-team-championships
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Adult Team Challenge (or in this case championships)
http://useventing.com/resource/learn-more-about-usea-adult-team-championships[/QUOTE]
Makes sense now! Thanks!
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I think there is a sinking sense of helplessness, though, among your average adult armies (which would be those of us who top out at T or P).
I went to AECs in 2006 at Carolina Horse Park and felt I was at a proper championship for Training, with a really beautiful, varied, challenging course.
The AECs were supposed to be for us. If we boycott, but enough pros go because it fits into their overall plan or schedule, all we lose is our own opportunity to do something special once every so many years when the stars align.
We can’t change the direction this is going, or so it seems.
Those course don’t look anything like what I competed over in 2006, or even like what I compete over locally now.
Makes me sad.[/QUOTE]
This.
Take back your fancy venues, fancy bathrooms, expensive shops.
Give them a real XC course and a porta-john.
Eventers don’t do BS well.
I don’t want the Taj Mahal though. I’d rather sleep in a tent in the cold at a venue that has forward flowing courses and horse-friendly fences with real ground-lines and no optical illusions (false groundlines, too busy base, etc) than sleep at a five star resort while my horse performs acrobatics over a course that at best mimics the obstacles you’d navigate at a mini golf course or theme park.
I am not dissing Tyron at all. It serves a purpose. Some people love it and a lot of money and care has been dedicated to its’ fruition. I just wish that it didn’t come at the behest of the sport that I participate in.
How did someone get 65pp on XC? Were there frangible at Training? Finished with a numerical score so not a fall.
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I don’t want the Taj Mahal though. I’d rather sleep in a tent in the cold at a venue that has forward flowing courses and real fences than sleep at a five star resort while my horse performs acrobatics over a course that at best mimics the obstacles you’d navigate at a mini golf course or theme park.
I am not dissing Tyron at all. It serves a purpose. Some people love it and a lot of money and care has been dedicated to its’ fruition. I just wish that it didn’t come at the behest of the sport that I participate in.[/QUOTE]
This. I don’t in any way begrudge those who attend and wish them well.
It looks to be a lovely venue with all the amenities. Except no XC. Just a bit of jumping around that mini golf course/themepark with weirdly many flat tables. 
:eek:
[QUOTE=MsRidiculous;8825861]
3 of those R’s (that were originally RF’s) have no refusals or anything preceding them, except for one which had a refusal earlier in course from where the R happened, which to me says horse falls.[/QUOTE]
I wonder what happened at the Amateur Training division? Training horse and Training Masters didn’t seem to have any problems.
