Here are the details of the training XC results.
http://livescore.useventing.com/results_xc.php?division=8
2 falls at the downbank into the water, but you don’t get a good perspective from the pictures on what it was like. Problems at jump 6, a big house. Not sure what caused the problems there. 3 stops at jump 9, which does look a little scary.
ETA: Jump 6 caused 2 eliminations in the horse division as well.
[QUOTE=vineyridge;8825595]
How do you go from this to a Burghley or Badminton?
Why can’t eventing remain the blue collar English equestrian sport?[/QUOTE]
No kidding. Derby fields are great for schooling, although even then it’s nice to be able to string some fences together. I just don’t like losing the one thing that I really love, that is going out on a big XC course galloping and jumping and just having a blast.
I’ve been told by my friends who are there that the course is riding actually pretty spooky and they think that’s probably what got some riders on Training. Just one report for what it’s worth. I’ve also been told that you better be using some big studs on course. It may be interesting to see how the course holds up as they just got a good rain and no one in the prelim horse as went out for xc.
I wonder what other countries think of this change we are experiencing against our will over here. I’m so glad I am in Area 1 where low level shows are still plentiful with lots of galloping XC courses. I can’t imagine putting all the time, work and money into qualifying for these championships only to go there to the equivalent of a second stadium round.
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I however, have chosen to no longer do any recognized events (i have not renewed my membership since 2013). I’m sure the world of eventing does not miss little old me jumping around on my average TBs, but I’ll find something fun to do instead. I just dont like what the sport has evolved in to. :-([/QUOTE]
You can obviously do whatever you want with your life, but there are plenty of courses that are USEA recognized and are safe, and fun and flowing and made out of wood logs that look like wood logs. I go to those venues and am very happy. The events I go to are put on my local eventing clubs (MCTA, CDCTA) or Pony Clubs (Seneca Valley, Loudon Hunt, Middleburg) or local eventing stables (Waredaca, Surefire) not real estate developers.
It is 100% possible to still participate in eventing and vote with your money and chose more old school events over the AEC $600 putt putt course.
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How did someone get 65pp on XC? Were there frangible at Training? Finished with a numerical score so not a fall.[/QUOTE]
Don’t know what actually happened as I’m not there. But at the LL’s, so long as the rider lands on their feet, they can get back on and continue with 65pp. So that’s my guess.
Not at Training you can’t. That rule is only for BN/N.
I don’t know if there were frangible pins at T - we had a series of airy oxers at Waredaca the other weekend, and the P and I were pinned but the T was not.
Another way you could rack up 65 would be a stop at 2 different fences (20 each), and a dangerous riding penalty (25).
The year I was at AECs someone in my Training division actually got a dangerous riding penalty. She was on an ex-upper level horse and jumped OUT over the Advanced drop IN to the water…
edited to add…at Training? I don’t see any 65 p scores in any training division…
[QUOTE=pologirl27;8826104]
You can obviously do whatever you want with your life, but there are plenty of courses that are USEA recognized and are safe, and fun and flowing and made out of wood logs that look like wood logs. I go to those venues and am very happy. The events I go to are put on my local eventing clubs (MCTA, CDCTA) or Pony Clubs (Seneca Valley, Loudon Hunt, Middleburg) or local eventing stables (Waredaca, Surefire) not real estate developers.
It is 100% possible to still participate in eventing and vote with your money and chose more old school events over the AEC $600 putt putt course.[/QUOTE]
I guess my beef is more with the sport in general and not any specific courses. Sooner or later, if I keep funding the USEA with my membership, the derby style XC will trickle into all events. It’s clearly the future of the sport. Which I dont like. So my choice is basically to not support the USEA at all. It’s just like boycotting the AECs if you dont like the course, but on a broader scale. 
My one membership wont make a difference, I get that. But gradually if the sport continues as it looks like it is, the numbers may reflect it more significantly.
I am also in Area 2 - and have plenty of unrecognized options to choose from should I feel like playing on XC for a weekend. I just hope other areas have the same options and that we dont start to lose some of the ‘old school events’ to keep up with this new trend.
How can I be Walter Mitty leading a cavalry charge if I’m riding circles in a jumper ring? ???
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Not at Training you can’t. That rule is only for BN/N.
I don’t know if there were frangible pins at T - we had a series of airy oxers at Waredaca the other weekend, and the P and I were pinned but the T was not.
Another way you could rack up 65 would be a stop at 2 different fences (20 each), and a dangerous riding penalty (25).
The year I was at AECs someone in my Training division actually got a dangerous riding penalty. She was on an ex-upper level horse and jumped OUT over the Advanced drop IN to the water…
edited to add…at Training? I don’t see any 65 p scores in any training division…[/QUOTE]
Interesting. The score has been changed. Maybe a clerical error?
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How can I be Walter Mitty leading a cavalry charge if I’m riding circles in a jumper ring? ???[/QUOTE]
I remember when we called it a cross country run.
:no::(
The thing is, though, that while eventing has definitely changed from the “good old days” and the long format is gone for good at the upper levels … These courses seem to have taken all the changes that have been gradually creeping in at the upper levels and trickling down to the lower levels and turned them (to paraphrase Nigel Tufnel) up to 11. Twisty, turny, technical, brightly colored artificial looking fences, less natural terrain … You name it. It looks like a lot of work to ride.
On the other hand, when I walked the course at Rolex last year, it was big and terrifying, but still seemed to flow much better and look more natural … And if I was a lot braver than I actually am, maybe even fun to ride!
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I think there is a sinking sense of helplessness, though, among your average adult ammies (which would be those of us who top out at T or P).
I went to AECs in 2006 at Carolina Horse Park and felt I was at a proper championship for Training, with a really beautiful, varied, challenging course.
The AECs were supposed to be for us. If we boycott, but enough pros go because it fits into their overall plan or schedule, all we lose is our own opportunity to do something special once every so many years when the stars align.
We can’t change the direction this is going, or so it seems.
Those courses don’t look anything like what I competed over in 2006, or even like what I compete over locally now.
Makes me sad.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. It’s becoming harder to ignore that the sport is no longer for the amateur on a budget with a cheaper horse. It’s not a sport for us anymore, and it seems we have no way to change it. :no: We may as well be throwing pebbles at a freight train.
I looked at the BN and Novice courses. I don’t like the looks of the water entry at all! I also hope the corner on the Novice course looks bigger than it really is, looks more like Prelim to me!
At Advanced there is a “house” jump with overhanging roof=false groundline? Isn’t there a rule against that?
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Leslie Law is trying to be diplomatic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyphoI13njY[/QUOTE]
Boyd seems to like it for his investors.
https://www.facebook.com/TryonInternationalEquestrianCenter/videos/1732245853691813/
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Boyd seems to like it for his investors.
https://www.facebook.com/TryonInternationalEquestrianCenter/videos/1732245853691813/[/QUOTE]
Boyd is the poster child for why eventing is heading where it is. “The facility matches their investment”?? So the other venues with real XC courses are not adequate for his 1%er clients? I shouldn’t be surprised by what he had to say here. The is the same person who said it was the thrills and spills that attract people to watch eventing at a time when we’re all trying to make the sport safer.
Yeah I felt like his little video clip summed up the state of things pretty well. :sigh:
[QUOTE=riderboy;8826093]
Leslie Law is trying to be diplomatic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyphoI13njY[/QUOTE]
I REALLY like that he talks about how the course will be bigger and use a large area surrounding the current course. And he notes that it will be an exciting course one this is done.
Remember, this is a brand new venue that has started on a portion of the final acreage.
WD, how do you feel about the 6 Training riders that slipped and had RFs in that derby field on that lovely footing? Dismiss right? Now if they were advanced BNT, would your opinion change? 6 RFs due to slipping. Have you looked at the T results for ammys?
Apparently they removed a fence or turn & after the rainstorm the footing improved as the horses sunk a little which was needed.
Now, if you want to dismiss this stuff go right ahead but it’s aired on some UL riders YouTube show for all to see.
Go AECs. Great experiment USEA. Texas may have been the middle of nowhere but at least it was at a proper venue.
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