Age for Child to Begin Dressage?

Hello, my 8 year old daughter is keen to begin learning dressage. She’s been taking saddleseat instruction from a wonderful place for nearly 2 years and is doing quite well with it (based on barn show results and comments from her instructors). But it’s just not what she envisions for her riding.

She’s a very bright, determined person for her age. She’s most strongly drawn to dressage, and also to eventing. At this point we do not own or lease; she’s riding schooling horses. But I can envision leasing or ownership down the road.

Welcoming your thoughts on a few things:

  • Saddleseat as a base for moving into other disciplines?
  • Recommended age to begin dressage?
  • Value of seeking out combined training rather than focusing in a single discipline?

Many thanks for your insights!

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I started riding at 6 with what was very much a classical, correct methodology though we were in western saddles.
Saddle seat calls for leg position and hand position which are very much against classical teachings. However, it also teaches to trust energy and let it flow forward, which is extremely important.
At 8 I knew I wanted to ride dressage and was discouraged from it by adults who supposedly knew better. She is definitely old enough to ride dressage, and if she knows it’s where she wants to go, let her!

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Saddleseat does not provide the best basis for an educated seat in eventing or dressage. Switching now will give her a chance to see another world of equitation and horsemanship. You may have more luck finding an eventing oriented barn with lesson horses. Be aware that she may suddenly be an absolute beginner again in her new discipline—that is normal.

While this may not be universally true, many saddleseat show barns focus much more on the show than on the fundamental skills needed to sit, ride and train in the English disciplines (although you will learn to show and how to stay on while you fly around the ring!).

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I would say your daughter is not too young to pursue dressage, but be sure to do your diligence as a parent and find a trainer with suitable lesson horses who will mix things up a little and make things fun and engaging for your daughter. That might be easier to find in an eventing or multi-discipline trainer than in a pure dressage trainer - though I find that many dressage trainers have some combined training experience in their backgrounds. We have a semi-retired trainer in my neck of the woods who had successful hunter-jumper youth clients, successful eventing youth clients, and successful dressage youth clients. Her program put good basics on kids that were applicable to all those disciplines.

Most “pure” dressage trainers don’t have many young kids in their programs so if having riding peers is important, that might be a consideration. But it does seem to me that for the young people who pursue dressage, there are some excellent opportunities to participate in junior and young rider type programs, and that those program are a little more accessible in the dressage discipline as compared to hunter/jumper and eventing.

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The Pony Club focuses on eventing which combines show jumping cross country jumping and dressage. I think that’s a good mix for kids as they can become overly handsy and concerned with head set just going dressage. Low jumps in the arena and a little work outdoors on the cc field are great fun for kids build confidence and at a low level jumping is quite safe.

Find her an eventing barn with a strong kids program and sttong dressage focus.

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As a kid I showed saddleseat and IMO, there was nothing classical about it. Bad position, bad hands, bad riding habits all
around. Great horsemen saddleseat does not make. lol.
Dressage at your daughter’s age may seem a little boring because she needs to learn the very basics for dressage.

Also many dressage instructors and local organizations are not encouraging for young riders.

I agree that Pony Club or 3 day would be more fun for her at her age. Then by 12-14 she can concentrate more on dressage.

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One person who works a lot with kids in dressage is Lendon Gray. She has a program, with a website, called Dressage4Kids (or something similar), and that might be a good source for contacts in your area.

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“3 day” pretty much doesn’t exist any more. Just Horse Trials.

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I am a trainer and instructor, and have worked with all ages of children for decades. Saddle seat, as stated above, does not provide the same basic source of seat and balance required for jumping or dressage.

Being a dressage rider myself, I still would not in anyway direct your daughter towards specializing at this age. Even if she ends up being the best dressage rider in the world, she needs a well rounded basic education and including jumping, trail riding, and becoming comfortable riding at all speeds outside. Find the best pony club in your area, and get her in it. There is a dressage “track” in pony club, I was pretty unhappy when that happened… I really think that one of the best aspects of pony club is its original direction towards a solid, wide base of education. But she could be in pony club, learn to jump small fences, and still be taking lessons from a qualified dressage trainer outSide of pony club.

I really would stress finding a teacher (Even a dressage instructor) for her who would not even say they are giving her “dressage” lessons. Real dressage doesn’t start until after second level, anyway…everything before that is simply getting a basic training base for either the horse or the rider.

Young children Who just do dressage from a young age can turn into nitpicking, over controlling, Fearful, horrid little riders. They need first to learn to flow with a pony, accept the moment into their bodies, and develop a relaxed following seat and hand. That takes years of fun, varied lessons :slight_smile:

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I’m glad someone mentioned d4k! https://dressage4kids.org/ There are tons of different programs for kids of different ages and skill level - truly something for everyone. The program puts a huge emphasis on education - on the horse and off. Even if you’re not on the East Coast, there are TEAM clinics throughout the country - if there’s one near you, it might be worth auditing and meeting the other dressage kids in the area - see who they’re riding with.

As a kid, I grew up eventing and riding dressage (mom is a DQ) - there are some days it was fun to keel around an xc course and some days it was fun to have dressage lessons and work on building a nicely moving horse. It was fun to have a clashing of my two worlds - doing a test at KDA on Friday and jumping (literally) over to do MayDaze Saturday & Sunday at KHP.

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Wonderful feedback. Thank you so much, everyone!

Definitely Pony Club is a great idea. I started riding as a child at a lessons facility where the main trainer focused on dressage and there were lots of dressage shows held on the property, so I became more interested in dressage eventually. I think for any rider, it takes a while to just learn the basics anyway and the social aspect of Pony Club is awesome. Longe lessons are also really, really helpful too, to learn better balance. Even after she’s been riding for a while, they’re still a good idea. Learning a little bit of jumping is something I think just about every kid would like to try, if they’re riding English.

Also, it’s not super common, but I had so, so much fun doing vaulting as a kid. I think it’s a fun thing to mix in with other types of riding too. It really teaches confidence and balance.

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I got a fantastic foundation in pony club - I evented, did dressage, and showed in the A rated hunters and jumpers. I also played games (gymkhana), polocrosse, hunter paced, and took some vaulting lessons. If your daughter wants to be in any of the balanced seat english disciplines - hunter, jumper, equitation, dressage, or eventing, I’d make the move out of saddleseat sooner rather than later. I took my first dressage lessons around her age, although I didn’t focus exclusively on dressage until my mid 20s.

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Growing up in a family of pro dressage riders and instructors, I’m not sure I had much choice but to follow in their footsteps, though at that young age I would never have known it.

The early years were spent tearing around bareback in the pasture or indoor arena or in my itty bitty western saddle- lessons were on the lunge line with no reins or stirrups- doing air plane, hands on your head, and managing transitions without grabbing the pommel etc… by the time I was 6 I was in a tiny all purpose saddle back on the lunge line, or part of a group lesson where the focus was steering, navigating simple patterns and popping a few little fences.
But I was a kid growing up with other barn kids and their ponies on the family boarding and training facility, so outside of the once or twice weekly lessons, much of the time was spent learning to handle my pony independently, tack and untack (if I wanted tack that day,) playing mounted games with the other kids, or racing around tackless in the pasture until one of us bounced off our ponies, scrambled back on and did it all over again. I remember on a few occasions when we were a little older, after each of our individual dressage lessons were over, dumping the tack and hopping on our ponies to gallop bareback through the huge pasture and pond.

This all lead to the natural progression of developing balance, feel and connection, and after a few open and schooling shows early on I was in the ring competing training level at 9.
My lessons at that stage were always geared toward learning the aids for the new moves in the next test I’d be competing in, polishing, and moving on to the next test after successfully competing. I remember the sheer joy of my first horse and I learning lead changes together over a ground pole around 10 or 11, but many evenings were spent just riding with my family in the arena or solo after school, schooling just for fun over fences, or riding to horsey neighbor’s farms and jumping or schooling there.
The focus wasn’t always on dressage (for me at least) because I have a vivid memory of my mom/instructor/coach yelling at me while jumping a course at a neighbor’s house to “get that horse on the bit or if it rains he’ll drown!” and thinking, “yeah but I’m not doing dressage right now!”

But the desire to be like my family, compete, and earn my bronze medal drove me to focus predominantly on the dressage fundamentals and around 12 or so I was able to grasp things like half halts, decent transitions, collection/ extension and compete successfully through 1st and in my early teens 2nd level…but there were still many days I jumped courses, trail rode bareback with family and friends and went to fun shows.

My son who’s now 8 is following much the same track, though his passion seems to be more for jumping and having his lessons in a bareback pad lately. To even get him in the arena vs the pint sized cross country course in our woods, there has to be at least two cross rails set up. He says he wants to do dressage and asks when he’ll be good enough to do a canter pirouette , but he’s turning out to be more of an adrenaline junkie for the time being, and I’m happy to nurture that. He’s developing an independent seat and balance as well as how to influence his pony to get through small courses and obstacles. So while the basics to be a successful dressage rider are emerging, he’s learning to use them outside the arena and over fences as well, and having fun…and if he desires, will be better equipped to use these skills in the dressage ring in the future.

So to reiterate above posters, I agree that it’s probably best for most kids to have a broader approach to their dressage education by incorporating other disciplines and fun activities with other young riders as well, and to let their enthusiasm for dressage and competition dictate the pace at which they refine their skills and focus more on the intricacies of the discipline.

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While in many ways Pony Club is a great suggestion for the OP, she would need to find a Pony Club Riding Center in her area if her daughter needs access to school horses - unless she can find a barn with school horses where a Pony Club happens to meet regularly.

Traditional Pony Club generally requires owning or leasing a horse and having the means to transport the beast to Pony Club activities. Also, in my experience, Pony Club lessons need to be supplemented with additional lessons as most traditional Pony Clubs do not have mounted lessons more than a couple of times a month and are highly variable as to how much continuity there is in the instruction.

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I would also consider the social aspect. Until this year, my daughter mostly rode in the hunters and went to the local shows with the girls in the barn and did huntseat eq IEA with them too. Where we live, there really aren’t eventing barns, so when she started eventing last year and started loving it (which means lots of dressage lessons too), she did miss going to the shows with her barn mates. She could have gone along and done jumpers not hunters, but there’s only so many weekends in the season and doing a few events meant a lot of traveling. Her barn went to a 5 day show at a fair, but she missed it because she had an event right in the middle. You can’t do everything. And this year, IEA is more than ever going to be “for the ride not the ribbon” because she hasn’t worked on huntseat eq in a long while. Even if her team were participating in the new IEA dressage shows, she’s be the only one going.

Now, at nearly 14, she has a dressage lesson once a week and a jump lesson once a week. We try to get a cross country schooling or at least a good trail ride at least once a month. She hunter paces with some pony club girls from other barns. She’s loving what she does, but she isn’t “one of the gang” at our barn because she hasn’t done the shows with the girls.

Basicially, I’d do what the other girls do at least for now because going to a show with friends is a whole lot of fun and if you are pursuing a different discipline, you are going on your own. The day before a “barn” show, you aren’t joining the line to bathe and trim your horse (or borrowed lesson horse), cleaning tack and eating cookies, then in the morning loading the trailer with everyone in pajamas.

I’m proud of my daughter for following the beat of her own drummer but I’m glad she had the years of cameraderie too. Plus she had a lot of fun at those shows and she loved ring jumping. She just got burnt out with the ring and her first ride xcountry she was completely converted. And the price of xcountry is dressage;). Although she does like dressage too, but definitely not everyday.

In summary, wait on the dressage until she’s older because they can burn out quickly and have her do what her barn mates are doing, as long as she likes that too. Not that she should follow the crowd and do what makes her unhappy, but all things being equal, barn life is more fun with company.

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Go for it! My daughter is 6 and she takes lessons at a local hunter farm in spite of the fact that we have a 20 stall boarding farm because she’s in love with the kickalong lesson pony she rides. Her other two days to ride him, I encourage her to do things like using her inside leg to bend him around turns, to use her (super tiny😂) core and seat to ask for a halt, and it works! Then I was told “you know, it’s ok for her to actually have fun when she rides, haha!”. I don’t see why the two aren’t the same. Learning CORRECT basics will only help her as a rider in the future. I absolutely CRINGE seeing older kids and teens with incorrect or non existent basics trying to get around a course. It’s painful to watch and setting the kid up for failure and confusion in the future. I don’t expect my 6 yr old to do much, but what she does, I want to be correct. I was that kid bopping along, having fun, riding off my hands instead of my legs, and it took a long time when I realized as an ADULT that I had been taught incorrectly, to fix those long ingrained habits.

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Yes! I really want us to keep this in mind too. I love all that Pony Club has to offer, however our local club is made up of owned and leased mounts. They did refer me to a nearby stable with schooling that their members use for combined training lessons, and we’ll be checking that out soon.

My daughter has developed some very nice friendships at her current barn, though admittedly more so with the instructors than with other kids. Our current barn is a half-hour from home. I’d sure love for her to have barn mates! And ideally kids she’ll be with in middle or high school locally.

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I agree that Saddle seat does not impart a foundation for riding that is desirable. I find it easier to work with Western riders,first, seat of the pants riders, second, hunt seat riders third, and saddle seat the most difficult to “rework”.

But she is young, and a good PC barn will help enormously.

Combined training is a great idea. She’ll learn good basics and as she progresses will be able to choose whichever discipline she enjoys the most, or all of them. Down the road, when you decide to lease or buy a horse or pony, pony club can still be an option.

I’m sure you don’t need to be reminded to do your due diligence regarding any trainer that you consider. :slight_smile:

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