Amateur Eventing UK style

I read COTH as I am always fascinated by other systems in eventing and as with anything with horses there are many ways to get a job done. Having just read the trainer post I thought I would just add a British perspective on eventing and costs.

I event at 2* level. I have one at that level (this is mine), one at training, nearly ready for prelim and a 5yo who has been incredibly slow to mature so is just mainly hacking and doing bits and bobs. The last two are owned by my yard owner. I work full time so horses are squeezed round work. I get 32 days holiday a year and carried 9 over this year in case I was going to do CCI2*. Most of my days off go on horses. My background is i have ridden since a kid but it was very much a hunting background. As an adult I am basically living my dream of being able to event, as barely did any as a child. Everything is run on a shoestring. I don’t have expensive horses and tend to make them myself. No Cooley horses here!

My horse lives at a livery yard which has 15 horses on it - I am very lucky as don’t pay any boarding fee as I ride the owners horses for free. I just pay for everything else such as hay and straw. Hay is around Ā£30 a bale and straw is up and down on price so about Ā£35 a bale. I pay Ā£77 for a set of shoes, Ā£35 + whatever else on top for a vet visit and Ā£50 for teeth. My chiro for the horse is Ā£55. My horse is on DIY but I am lucky to have an amazing support system with friends so we share workload. I help them out (rebacking a 4yo, schooling horses etc) and they help me out.

I have two vet students who go to a local vet college who ride out for me during the week so that I can then concentrate on the schooling work with my limited time. They have been amazing and have just qualified so I will need to find some more. In return I book lessons with trainers for them and will let them jump the horses under my supervision. I am a qualified trainer, but I much prefer riding to teaching so tend to avoid it.

I have 4 trainers who I see pretty regularly. I train with a top class British Team coach roughly once a month which is £50 for 1 hour in a pair. I tend to organise these clinics as this trainer lives 3 hours away so in order to get them in the area I make sure they have enough people to earn the money to justify the trip. I then have a local 5* rider who is a qualifed coach who is £40 an hour. I see them the most for flat and jump. They are about 25 mins from me. Finally I have a guy who I see sporadically but who I love, if he is in the area I will try and go and see him as very much focused on biomechanics, he is £60 an hour. I also have a specialist SJ coach who I will try and see for course jumping. They are £35 an hour. All these coaches are qualifed, insured, safeguarding trained and first aid trained. I probably see a trainer every fortnight. They would never come to events with me and we tend to watch video that I have taken at events to look at mistakes from the event and moving forward. I am also a member of a RC so will attend local lessons as they use the trainers I use. I tend to be super fussy who I will share with as the biggest issue is my idea of jumping 1m is that you are competing at that height, not using the whole lesson to maybe do it right at the end or if I am on a young horse I might only be doing 70/80cm but could be paired with someone having real issues. The main reason for doing it is costs.

We are lucky locally that we have a very solid unaffiliated circuit run at BE locations. These are run by PC and RC. Though there is now a professional set up running a lot called Horse Events. They run unaff at BE standards. I tend to start everything at unaff as I know the locations well and its pretty consistent. They will then tend to do 80cm, 90cm and a few 100cm all at unaff before I would look to join BE with the expectation that they are nearly ready for prelim. Costs for unaff is Ā£45-75. Sometimes there is a start fee as well which will be Ā£10. Why do I do it? no membership costs of registering the horse in case it doesn’t like eventing and no record of its results. The pay off is results tend to be slow and sometimes the dressage judging can be interesting.

My membership costs for BE are £150. The horse is roughly £80 for the year which isnt actually a year as we only run March to October. Entries are around £80-110 for a prelim at BE with an additional start fee of £10-20 to pay on top. That would be my only costs to pay. We dont have trailer fees and we very rarely stable as we get it done in one day. Sometimes you can volunteer for day before dressage but we tend to only do that if the event is very local. We have 35 in a section at BE and we have no distinction for amatuers or pros. Those riders who have been advanced have to go HC in 90cm and under unless they do an open 90cm. Horses can be downgraded for the lower levels to go in restricted classes like 80/90/100 where you cannot have any points. Points are only accumulated at prelim and above. A downgraded horse cannot be eligible for grassroots championships though where you cannot have any points and the rider cannot have competed at intermediate and above in last 10 years.

In the UK, we go out and compete a fair amount outside of eventing. We have both affilated and unaffiliated showjumping (hunter/jumper). Most unaff only goes to 1m though so you tend to need to join British Showjumping if you want to practice competing at bigger heights. This is similar cost to BE at Ā£130 for rider and Ā£80 for horse. We don’t really have training shows as so much course hire at equestrian centres available. They tend to leave a course up and you book the arena for an hour. Cost is usually about Ā£30 so I tend to share with a friend. Cost of an unaff class is around Ā£10 and cost of a BS class is Ā£22 (though you can win money).

I live in a good location and have 10 equestrian centres within 1 hour. 5 of those have indoor schools to hire, though realistically only 3 are suitable for jumping bigger courses as either a bit small or dont have a great surface. I have 60 BE events within 2 hours. I have 5 xc courses that I can hire within 1 hour.

We would also do some dressage competitions. Round here I can do up to Medium level unaff so I havent needed to join British Dressage. Costs are £12 unaff and £20 per class at BD.

Eventing for me is 100% about slowly progressing and being social. I only really go to events if friends are going. Nothing is better than surviving the day and sitting down and having a gin and tonic all together. I have a massive support network of friends. We will all help each other out. I will go to an event with them if I am not competing and groom for them and they will do the same for me. We all know each other very well, will share lessons, go and hire courses together etc. I guess you all go with Barns? We just don’t have that set up here. My partner is totally non horsey so I don’t take him with me. With my friends we probably do at least one stay away show all together so we can properly drink and socialise! Last year I went to Bicton to improve my showjumping and cost was around Ā£250 for 3 days stabling, 6 showjumping classes, my food and horses food.

Hope that hasn’t bored you too much!

Not boring at all! I’m fascinated with British Eventing, it seems like a dream compared to what we have here in the states. Thank you for sharing!

I’m amazed at the price of hay/straw! How big are your bales? We normally pay $10-15 for a 50lb bale that will last 2-3 days per horse. I can’t believe straw is more expensive than hay! Here a bale of straw is around $7 (same size as the hay bales but obviously they weigh a lot less).

What really made me jealous is this:

60 events within 2 hours!!! We just lost yet another venue so now there are a grand total of… 3 places within 2 hours of me that run recognized events. Add another one at around 3.5 hrs away, and then the next closest one is 8+ hours away. One venue runs 2 events. So a total of 4 events a year within 2 hours. Granted I’m in a bit of an eventing desert, but still… Compared to 60?! No wonder the Brits have a much deeper field of upper level riders!

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I enjoyed reading your post OP, not bored at all. In fact, it sounds as though you are living in eventing heaven, I’m sure many of us envy your lifestyle. Enjoy!

Interesting, in the US riding other people’s horses in exchange for board would make you a professional.

Color me jealous! Your costs are a tiny fraction of what it takes to own and compete in my area.

Thank you for reminding how much less horse things cost over there especially shoes & lessons, I feel like I didn’t take advantage of everything available at affordable rates while I was there as a poor uni student Ć°ÅøĖœā€¦.

Although my dressage trainer now is very affordable and am in a very horsey area, so I can’t complain too much! Double your price for a full set of shoes 🤮

I also just remembered the smell of haylage while reading your post, loved that stuff.

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Not boring at all! I’m fascinated with British Eventing, it seems like a dream compared to what we have here in the states. Thank you for sharing!

I’m amazed at the price of hay/straw! How big are your bales? We normally pay $10-15 for a 50lb bale that will last 2-3 days per horse. I can’t believe straw is more expensive than hay! Here a bale of straw is around $7 (same size as the hay bales but obviously they weigh a lot less).

The straw is for what we would call 4 string - large bales but not as big as 6 string. The big issue with straw in this country is - weather and the biomass energy industry. Biomass buys up swathes of straw and their desire for straw just keeps going up as mixed with the waste food. Last year up North crops were wiped out of straw in large growing areas due to rain. Also not much was able to be planted as September was a write off and so was February this year, again due to weather. This has pushed up straw prices. Shavings end up pretty costly and I have a large stable so only buy it if staying away with the horse and bedding is not provided.

A lot of these equestrian centres are not fancy in the least. One would be a carpark, some log cabins and a 90m x 60m arena. We wouldnt have anything much to compare with places like Tryon. Maybe only Hickstead? There is a reason all the showjumpers and eventers disappear to Spain in the winter to go showjumping. Locally to us Bicton Arena would probably be one of the nicest. Thats 90 mins for me so I dont really tend to travel that far very often. I would never do it for dressage. Would only travel that far for showjumping if staying, but would for eventing.

They cannot make their minds up on distinguishing amateurs so across the British Equestrian Federation they dont even try. Instead dressage has ridculously convoluted rules on eligibility mostly defined around you and the horse. Showjumping runs off UK rankings so not eligible if in top 200 for some classes and British eventing is done on levels you have competed at.

I expect the main differences are you see a lot more ā€˜sponsored’ riders in this country at all levels. Grassroots supported riders/ambassadors is good business here and would just get goods. British Eventing is beginning to have a close look at the middle of the roaders like me. I have a championship I can do - Corinthian Cup at Gatcombe if I come 1-3rd in a prelim and have not competed at Intermediate in last 5 years. But I have quite a few friends who have one good horse at Intermediate and nothing to really aim for. The Intermediate championships at Gatcombe is held at advanced level and you must have done an advanced, so kind of knocks them out.

I guess if I lived in the USA I would have to decide what was more important - riding nice horses and having free board or retaining amateur status and my reading of the situation is it only really matters if you want to go to US champs?

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If I lived elsewhere where I didn’t have such easy access or I had a family with kids, I wouldnt be able to do what I do. As it is I am selective on how often I run, what I can do to cut costs and try and barter skills for someone elses skills! I volunteer a lot as round here you get arena time in return. Things like that soon add up in cutting costs. COVID-19 has crazily helped me a lot as horse was only costing me Ā£77 a month for a set of shoes, so I have been saving furiously to try and pad my savings.

Its one of the advantages of DIY - I can cut my costs almost instantly if I lost my job etc. Rather than having monthly fixed costs if my horse was in full livery.

I’m jealous too; this certainly isn’t the case for all of the UK. We’ve got 3 events I think within 2 hours, and to run anything Intermediate or up means travelling several hours! There are real eventing hotspots but also areas where very little happens.

Super interesting! I do have a question about specific discipline memberships. Do you have to join 3 separate national bodies in order to compete in dressage, SJ and eventing? That is one of the options I have seen here in Australia as Equestrian Australia is in such turmoil at the moment and the UK was presented as a model. Right now, insurance is covered by EA and so you do not have to join each national/state body for each discipline. How does the insurance issue work there?

Here in my state of NSW, everyone competes against everyone else in eventing. They have separate classes for the Juniors (18 and under), but once you turn 19 you get to compete against the pros, the Olympians, at all levels, even 60cm. Guess who wins most of the time? Even on young silly horses. Every now and then, someone will offer an amateur class, but really that just means your old and still competing because there is an age limit set.

We don’t have the number of events you have, everything is far away and I live in a really great spot with several active dressage associations, a terrific SJ group and a horse trials association. I am an hour away from my ā€œhomeā€ competions and think how lucky we really are! Anything less than 3 hours away is considered close!

Yes, three separate bodies for the three Olympic disciplines but all offer cheap options for occasional competitors, such as day tickets. There are also the ā€œunaffiliatedā€ shows in all three disciplines which are cheaper, don’t show on the official performance record of the horse, are not obliged to maintain health and safety standards to the same level etc etc.

The British Equestrian Federation is the National Governing Body for international/olympic purposes and it includes representatives from most aspects of equestrian activity in the UK. It can be very fractious but it does keep tabs on issues such as good governance and child protection across the various constituent bodies. Most riders are unaware of the BEF and only make reference to BE, BS and BD.

The other thing is the BEF was a late creation due to lottery funding. There is a reason we ā€˜lose’ so many CEOs from BEF and its because the disciplines are used to their own autonomy. At the moment at least there are two ā€˜faces’ which fit under Malcolm Wharton and Dicky Waygood which will help rather than outsiders from other more progressive sports.