Anastrozole vs Tamoxifen

My oncologist is switching me from Anastrozole (started Nov 2021) to Tamoxifen. She has two reasons for the switch - bone density and joint pain. I have osteopenia and she indicated Tamofixen will actually help build bone.

I have tolerated Anastrozole pretty well. Hair loss is my biggest complaint; however, I have noticed my joint pain increasing. Obviously no medication is without side effects. Fortunately I only have 2 1/3 years remaining on this medication.

Has anyone else made this switch? What were your experiences?

I didn’t switch but have been on Tamoxifen for 2 years. I have had no side effects. My oncologist chose it for me as I have osteoporosis and no uterus (there is reportedly an increased risk of uterine cancer)

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Thank you. I have done a little reading about the risk of uterine cancer and blood clots. I do still have my uterus but my oncologist advised me what to watch out for. I am trying to look at it as “lots of upside with a few risks thrown in”.

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I was on an aromatase inhibitor for 3 wks and had all sorts of pretty limiting joint pain. Then went on tamoxifen. I was told when I had a consult at dana farber that if I didn’t tolerate the aromatase inhibitor to go right to tamoxifen. No side effects from tamoxifen. I took it for 3.5 yrs then had a 10 sec episode of complete blindness in one eye which oncologist worried was from tamoxifen. Then I stopped tamoxifen and that was the end of treatment. 13 yrs later, still cancer free. good luck to you.

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Congratulations on being cancer free!! Thank you for sharing your experience. When I first began anastrazole, I discounted how impactful the joint pain would be. Lesson learned.

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I wanted to show you this stuff I started taking when I had rotator cuff surgery- Its a formulation of collagen which is actually well absorbed, which is a problem w a lot of commercial collagen. I told a friend about it who was losing hair because of menopause and her hair loss got way better. I’ve noticed my nails grow a lot faster and stronger and my hair is better, according to hairdresser. I do not represent the company. the stuff really works.

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Awesome! I will take a look at it. The hair loss between menopause and hormone blocker has been ridiculous.

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I was on letrozole for 13 months, with Lupron, then later a bilateral salpingo oophorectomy. I was premenopausal at the time of my initial diagnosis, and in my early thirties. I didn’t yet have symptoms of osteopenia, but was considered to be high risk because of my family history and age, and the dramatic decrease in circulating estrogen that was part of my treatment plan.

The bone and joint pain involved with letrozole really got to me after a few months. I noticed it most each morning when I got out of bed. I could feel each and every bone in my feet, and it hurt to take my first several steps before the day or walk down stairs.

Ultimately it was the severe hot flashes, insomnia and mood disturbances (depression) that made me switch from the aromas inhibitor to Tamoxifen. I found the Tamoxifen MUCH more tolerable than letrozole. My mood improved significantly, as did the joint pain. I stayed on Tamoxifen for another 6 or 7 years… but found myself again struggling with depression. At that point I pulled the plug. My oncologists originally wanted me to do 10 years of either Tamoxifen or an Aromatase inhibitor… but we called it good enough at that time, and I chose quality of life.

In the midst of the Tamoxifen I also received 6 rounds of Zometa, which theoretically was supposed to help prevent bone mets.

Anyway… I am now 12 years post initial diagnosis, and still have no evidence of disease. My original diagnosis was a grade 3, stage 3, with serious LVI and 14 positive nodes. The tumor was millimeters from the chest wall and the skin. And even though it was only 10% ER positive, I honestly think that the aggressive reduction of circulating estrogen is probably why I am still NED now. That plus an extra chemo regimen that was part of a trial.

I seem to have good bone health these days, but admittedly am way overdue for a bone scan. I have had two horse related accidents involving broken bones over the last 8 years. One was a clean fracture in my wrist that healed easily with no complications. The other was a broken metacarpal last fall (spiral fracture)… and again… healed easily. I asked my ortho about my bone health when I broke the metacarpal last fall… he said my bones looked 100% normal, and it was very typical sports related injury (I did it while jumping… didn’t close my hand and my horse popped up in the shoulder after getting to a bad distance). He saw zero signs of osteoporosis, but he did chastise me for skipping density scans.

Anyway… that’s a very long answer to your question :slight_smile: I’m planning on finally getting up to date with a bone scan soon, because I am now less nervous that we will identify a density problem, and I will be told not to jump or ride anymore. :upside_down_face: That’s pretty much why I have avoided it the last two years. I was having too much fun, and didn’t want to be told to stop.

I hope Tamoxifen is better for you like it was for me. And I hope you can figure out a way to get several years of it done, depending on your treatment plan. Just do the best you can, and know that you have my sympathy. All of these meds are REALLY tough, and have craptastic side effects. But there is light at the end of the tunnel, and some symptoms eventually do get more tolerable. Hugs.

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I had thick hair to begin with, so didn’t notice a ton of hair loss on my head. But… my eyebrows and eyelashes are very different post menopause. Much thinner. I mourn my old eyelashes. I don’t think that really changed with Tamoxifen vs the aromatase inhibitor though. It seems to be more of a menopause in general thing. It is what it is.

I do also have thyroid issues. It often goes hand in hand with menopause and breast cancer. I have DEFINITELY noticed that whenever my thyroid levels are even slightly out of wack, I start shedding hair from my head like crazy, every time I brush or wash it. So if you haven’t yet checked your thyroid levels… that’s something that might be worth considering.

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Thank you for all the information! No new evidence of disease is something to be grateful for! I don’t have time to respond fully now, but I will circle back on your comment regarding thyroid function. All of my biopsies have been pre-cancerous but my lifetime risk is almost 50%. My sister was diagnosed with Stage 2, Grade 3 breast cancer in 2020. She is having the left lobe of her thyroid removed in October. So much scary stuff…

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I think these drugs offer so much hope, but they are definitely not all the same. I believe I have confused some side effects with natural aging. I can totally relate to your comment about those first few steps getting out of bed. Last night I went back and read through my initial appointment notes with my oncologist regarding side effects associated with anastrozole and tamoxifen. Under anastrozole was a comment about “arthritic type pain” which is completely what I have been feeling. I am hopeful about the switch to tamoxifen.

The bone density issue should probably worry me more. I know I need to find the motivation to start a weight lifting program to strengthen my bones. I have broken bones in both hands - one had to be surgically repaired. I also broke my foot 4 years ago (horse spooked and landed on my foot). No surgery, but it took 9 long weeks to heal.

My father had thyroid cancer. Successfully removed and he thrived afterwards on Synthroid. My sister has a 2 cm spot on the left lobe of her thyroid that is probably benign. However, she is choosing to have it removed because she doesn’t want to have to worry about it. And “probably” isn’t good enough.

I am connected to a high-risk breast cancer clinic in Wisconsin and see my oncologist every 6 months. My sister is in Georgia and I don’t feel she has enough medical support. I am going to talk to her about switching to Tamoxifen.

I appreciate you sharing your experience. Go get your bone scan!!

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I relate to all of this.

My family has a genetic issue that has resulted in significantly increased risk for breast, colon, thyroid and endometrial cancer to some extent. My sister had thyroid cancer at 40, i had breast at 32, and our mother has had breast (twice - once on each side) and colon as well as skin. My sister also has had serious precancerous issues in her breasts and colon, and had a prophylactic mastectomy. I had severe Hashimoto’s and some serious precancerous issues in my thyroid, and had a complete thyroidectomy in my 30’s. It’s just crazy how some of these issues are linked. But the good news is that if you and your family members know you have increased risks, you can make better informed choices about appropriate screening and surgery in order to mitigate risks.

My experience is that at some times it’s been hard to know what physical issues were caused by early menopause vs. breast cancer medications vs. Hashimoto’s and getting my thyroid dose just right vs. just getting older at a bit of a weirdly accelerated rate given the early menopause I have gone through. But… now that I am many years into my “new normal” … I have found a much better balance. Tamoxifen was definitely far more tolerable for me than the AI’s were. And… now that I am off Tamoxifen and just living with full menopause (but no HRT support) - I’m doing better as well.

I have found with thyroid management that being on a combination of synthroid (levothyroxine) and cytomel (liothyroine sodium) works best for me. By far. I just take a lower dose of the levothyroxine so I can take a small dose of cytomel each day, and keep my TSH in normal range.

The other thing to keep close track of? Vitamin D. My body changed after eliminating the estrogen and getting my thyroid removed, and I now find that my Vitamin D levels get too low if I don’t regularly supplement.

Anyway… it’s all a weird puzzle. But you will find what works for you. And definitely… exercise is essential. I go through periods where I am better about sticking to a structured workout routine with free weights or jogging… and I feel so much better. Right now I’m mainly just riding a lot and doing farm work… but it’s been a super busy summer and I feel excellent. One thing I have learned over the years is to try and do smaller or shorter intense workouts more frequently. I’m about to start trying to work my elliptical machine back into my daily routine in a structured way, and that has helped a lot in the past. The low impact nature of it, plus the ability to add in resistance is a good thing :slight_smile:

Best of luck to you on this journey, and have faith that it will get more manageable. Just keep on pushing forward. You got this.

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I just saw this post…. I made the same switch! Not only were my joints aching so bad I looked 90 when I first stood up, Anastrozole then Extemestane made my BP skyrocket (think 170/90) and my migraines become every day … CT shows s my cancer hasn’t spread into my brain so back onto Tamoxifen went and everything went back to normal …. Except I’m shedding hair like crazy! 4 years to go!!

I originally went into to the aromatase inhibitors because Tamoxifen did cause me to have fibroids that would bleed and an increased uterine lining! So full hysterectomy was given! While Tamoxifen isn’t as good for post menopause now I have no uterus I feel great!

I also get an extra eye scan once a year as it can rarely cause glaucoma! So far so good though

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l missed this topic previous. I could not tolerate Anastrozole for the muscle and joint pain issues. With my case, the use was an option. My low grade cancer did not require chemical chemo and the aromatase inhibitor was simply a “you can try this” option

I chose to simply stop it as the miniscule benefit it would confer in my case is not worth the side effects.

It was the medication that required I carry a TUE (WADA) to compete in my national and international events.

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