Has anyone used this product?
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Yes, I get that. I guess I need to do some price comparisons. I still have a hard time wrapping my head about using powdered vitamin E and no oil or water, but I’ve heard from enough people that I understand it’s workable. The liquid E always end up gumming everything up in my feed room.
UltraCruz Natural E pellets are about $.13/1000IU. That’s about the cheapest powder/pellet I know of. The cheapest I see of that product is in the $.15/16/1000IU range.
What liquid are you currently using, and if it’s one of the Emcelle/Nano-E/Elevate W.S. products, what has you using that over a non-water-soluble version?
I bought a bag of senior feed for mixing the powder. I fill a quart plastic container half full of senior feed, dump the powder on top, add a little water, and rotate it/shake it up for easy dumping on top of the alfalfa. Otherwise, I’m the Big Lebowski spreading Donny’s ashes.
I finally got frustrated with emcell and as a stop gap I’m using 2, 1000 IU gelcaps. But I would like to try the dry feed e
I’m not sure how much Vit E you’re needing to feed (my horse is on 10,000 IU/day due to EPM) but the easiest (and best) product I’ve found is the Equine Omega Complete Vitamin E. It’s still a liquid, but due to the concentration it’s only 4 oz to get to that 10k spot. Plus I do enjoy all the benefits of the plain Complete worth the look!
Are you basing that on actual blood work? If not, the old “they are being treated for/have EPM and therefore need 10,000IU” is outdated. Always go by bloodwork.
And if you’re using 10,000IU of water-soluble E, that’s even worse, without blood work indicating it’s needed.
My horse is medically managed by a very good and experience veterinary team, but thank you for the concern.
Good to hear. all this “base it all on blood work” is relatively new, and soooo many ‘experienced veterinary teams’ are simply operating under the old premise of “EPM = 10,000IU by default”.
VOILÀ! (unfortunately the cheapest per day product they sell does not list a container weight, but I have requested this info in order to verify their $0.19/1000 IU claim.)
Never heard of this Black Horse. Always some new company out there… I prefer pellets so I use Ultra Cruz or MVP. Both are good products. Chewy sells a 10lb bag of the UC Natural E for $93 on auto ship. I only use one scoop so I find it to be a great value.
To update this they stated 12oz per bag, with 1,000IU per 1/2 tsp of product. That’s 144 doses of 1/2 tsp per bag, a total of 144,000 IU ber 12oz bag and that works out to $0.24 per 1000IU dose, not $0.19/dose per the product name. I’ve asked the manufacturer to verify and updated the Vit E spreadsheet to reflect.
I also updated the Santa Cruz pricing and sizing - they are around $0.12/1000IU and it’s cheaper to buy direct than from Chewy at $89.95 w free shipping too @TWH_Girl in case you’re interested - they give an additional 5% off for autoship.
Let me wade into a dumb question-- my horse with PSSM gets Emcelle as it was recommend by Hagyard (well Nano E but Emcelle is cheaper). This horse is basically a garbage disposal on legs and will eat anything. Is there any physical or functional difference between a liquid vs a pellet? I genuinely don’t know and admittedly haven’t researched (or asked my vet). I guess I never really thought about the gamut of other products aside from the liquids.
If by liquid you mean the water-soluble products - Emcelle, Elevate WS, Nano-E - then yes they are physically different
Regular E - gelcaps, powder, pellets, anything that’s naturall part of or added to something like Camelina oil - is the normal form of Vit E. The body, via bile salts, has to micellize it (encapsulate little particles in water) in order for it to cross the intestinal barrier.
Those water-soluble forms have done that micellization, so they don’t have to go through that process, so are more efficiently absorbed. So, you can use less for the same effect.
But unless a given horse has proven that the regular forms, at reasonable amounts, doesn’t get or keep levels normal, the w-s forms are an expense you don’t need.
If you have to use, say, 8000IU of regular, when maybe 4000IU of Emcelle will do the job, go for the Emcelle
Thanks! Of course I just placed my Chewy order.
aww shoot!