Andalusian stallion recommendations

[Sportpony]

Yes … I know … not particularly popular or mainstream for dressage, but I am now 70 and this is my personal ‘hobby project’ for my old age. I figure I’m entitled at this stage of things.

I’ve ridden all my life and looking back, the absolutely best horse I ever owned was an Andalusian/TB gelding I had in Spain when I lived there in my late 20s. I wasn’t ‘educated’ enough at that point to know what I had, but I would like to try and produce one for myself, now … but it will have to be a PONY … at 70 and 5’ tall I can no longer do big horses.

I have a nice TB-ish Welsh/TB cross pony mare I would like to cross with an Andalusian stallion. I have found two I like that are in the 15.2 or under height range, but wonder if there are some I’m missing because of the emphasis on “big horses”.

Under 16 hands and non-gray would be a plus. Any suggestions appreciated …

[fairtheewell]

In case anybody flames you…my cousin is 86, in great shape, runs a Saddlebred barn in California, rides everyday, and plays tennis 3X per week…

[Sportpony]

[QUOTE=fairtheewell;6162386]
In case anybody flames you…my cousin is 86, in great shape, runs a Saddlebred barn in California, rides everyday, and plays tennis 3X per week…:)[/QUOTE]

Thanks! I still have a picture of my grandfather on my ranch horse (which he broke to ride originally) when he was 80 years old. Just hope I can do the same …

[Dressage_Diva333]

I have a Welsh/ PRE filly living at my farm who is for sale, she’s a yearling Her owner breeds PRE’s, and we wanted to try the cross. I LOVE this filly! She’s crazy athletic.

I would think you might be a little hard pressed to find an Andalusian that small, I’m sure they are out there, but I thought that at least mares had to be at lease 15.2-15.3 to get into the book. I would also look at the pedigree’s in the ones you have found, to make sure there’s not a lot of height back there.

[Sportpony]

[QUOTE=Dressage_Diva333;6163408]
I have a Welsh/ PRE filly living at my farm who is for sale, she’s a yearling Her owner breeds PRE’s, and we wanted to try the cross. I LOVE this filly! She’s crazy athletic.

I would think you might be a little hard pressed to find an Andalusian that small, I’m sure they are out there, but I thought that at least mares had to be at lease 15.2-15.3 to get into the book. I would also look at the pedigree’s in the ones you have found, to make sure there’s not a lot of height back there.[/QUOTE]

I’ve found several stallions in the 15.1 to 15.3 height range. I don’t think there is a height requirement for either mares or stallions, the registry does not have inspections and approvals as the warmblood registries do. They follow the American breed registry system of purebred registered sire and dam … foal is purebred/registered.

Most of the Andalusians I saw when I was in Spain (and granted, this was many years ago) were in the 14.3 to 15.3 hand range … you rarely saw anything over 16 hands and there are still a number of Andalusians in the U.S. that are from the older lines that do tend to stay under 16 hands.

[Dressage_Diva333]

Perhaps it is just the Pres then. There is definitely some ‘sort’ of inspection system for them, with ‘Revised’ and ‘Qualified’ being statuses that the horses are awarded… not sure details, or what that means though

[JazzIT]

There is a beautiful black almost 15h2 andalusian stallion near my place in Quebec, Canada. Very pleasant temperament and he throws beautiful and refined foals.

http://www.noblebaroque.com/stallion.html

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/3084_111929660224_612970224_2940679_583207_n.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_TFuflfGXI&list=UUZwmEt6IhziFYMllopSwmZA&index=12&feature=plcp

[springer]

I don’t think finding an outstanding andalusian sire is difficult. They are out there. It’s finding great andalusian sires who aren’t owned by unprofessionals, crazy people, or both. Now THAT’S a problem. So much so that my lovely andalusian mare will, more than likely, ultimately be bred to a warmblood stallion. Unless someone proves me wrong.

[Sportpony]

Thanks. Bookmarked this one. He’s more like the Andalusians I remember in Spain than most I’ve seen so far and the type I’m looking for.

[TouchstoneAcres]

How about a black Lipizzaner? See below and also on the web site’s left menu Penny’s Shadow, a movie in which he starred, and Apassionata, a traveling show in which he performed. I have excellent. frozen semen stored here.
http://thafaloniestables.com/neapolitano.html

[alto]

Will a Lusitano do???

• a friend has Saphiro daughter that is stunning :yes:

[Sportpony]

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Will a Lusitano do???

• a friend has Saphiro daughter that is stunning :yes:[/QUOTE]

Yes, Lusitanos are fine as well. I’ve been looking at a Saphiro son.

[oldenmare]

Saphiro is nice and Hannah rides him beautifully, but I think Espiritu is a nicer stallion (also owned by JC Andalusians).

The website really doesn’t do them justice - but I don’t like “busy” sites.

[Sportpony]

[QUOTE=oldenmare;6167985]
Saphiro is nice and Hannah rides him beautifully, but I think Espiritu is a nicer stallion (also owned by JC Andalusians).

The website really doesn’t do them justice - but I don’t like “busy” sites.[/QUOTE]

I looked at all of the stallions they have, Espiritu is very nice, but unfortunately, at 16.3, much bigger than I want. For me … at my age and height … the smaller the better and my mare, at 14.3 1/2, is almost taller than I’m comfortable with.

[Tapperjockey]

http://www.selwoodpark.com/stallions.htm . I will never forget the first time I saw Despierto. He is breathtaking (and almost 30, but they do have a lovely son too).

[Teddyi]

Iberian Ponies

Sportpony,

I would highly recommend contacting Ami MacHugh at Jackass Mountain Ranch in Pasco, WA. Ami is one of the most respected Andalusian breeders in the US, and has become the “go to” person for great moving horses. She’s bred countless National Champions, and her horses consistently win in both the breed ring and dressage arena.

What seems perfect for you is a type of horse she breeds that she calls an Iberian Pony. It’s a cross between Welsh mares and Andalusian stallions. I’ve seen photos of some of her Iberian Ponies and they look really wonderful.

Most of her stallions are all over 16H, but she does have one named MG Jeque - he’s bay and approximately 15.3H. He’s lovely (I’ve seen him in person) and a very good mover. I almost bought a colt by him last year. If that colt is any indication, Jeque throws nice, athletic movers who look very much like their sire. He doesn’t have many babies on the ground just yet (I think she got him a couple of years ago), but the one colt I saw was very nice.

I’m a huge fan of Ami’s as she is such a friendly, down-to-earth person. She knows her horses, and I really like her eye for breeding. I bought a colt from her last year and he is (so far) everything I ever wanted.

FYI, there is an inspection and approval process for Andalusian horses both in Spain and the US. Hence, the approved and inscribed notations for some horses. However, it’s a little confusing as horses registered with the IALHA (US registry) do not go through the inspection/inscription process. They don’t have to adhere to a breed standard or go through an approval process, and the only criteria is that both parents are purebred Spanish or Spanish/Portugese. Only ANCCE (the National Assoc of Purebred Spanish Horse Breeders of Spain) holds inspections and grants approvals for breeding horses of pure Spanish heritage. A PRE owner in the US may register their horse with the IALHA, with ANNCE, or both.

With regard to height, ANNCE breed standard states that stallions must measure more than 1.52m at the withers and mares more than 1.50m.

I hope this helps.

Teddy

[KatWil]

Panadero XLVI is imported from Spain, has done a bunch of different things. He has a breeding available in the AWS Stallion Service Auction for $400.00- not a bad price!
www.americanwarmblood.org See him here- www.mypanadero.com

[Megaladon]

The Cartujano lines are typically smaller, but it’s hard to find one that isn’t grey. I really like Electrizar, but he’s grey, not sure on height. Hope you can find your stallion, good luck.

[Sportpony]

[QUOTE=Teddyi;6171706]
Sportpony,

I would highly recommend contacting Ami MacHugh at Jackass Mountain Ranch in Pasco, WA. Ami is one of the most respected Andalusian breeders in the US, and has become the “go to” person for great moving horses.

Teddy[/QUOTE]

I did contact her and want to thank you for this recommendation. We had an interesting conversation, she was very helpful and I’m sure we will continue to stay in touch. Very useful talking to someone who has already got some of the pony crosses on the ground.

[Teddyi]

Sportpony,

I’m happy you had a chance to speak with Ami. I think she’s wonderful, and I love her horses. She has a great eye for breeding outstanding horses. She is also a really great person.

Good luck with finding your stallion!

Teddyi