goes the houseguest.
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then post for the world to see if you have “proof”
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QFP
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Why don’t you leave your posts ‘for all the world to see’? What’s up with the dirty deletes?
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So the other video is allegedly showing a horse flipping over and injuring its head to the point of needing sutures? and I’m guessing this is due to AMs actions? If this is the case then it’s even more mind boggling nothing has been done by FEI.
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Why would AM be reliant on his vet partner to give a horse dex? Lots of us have dex on hand for various reasons. Mine is for a horse with RAO.
It’s not so much about reliance. It’s about whether or not the partner, who is a vet, has firsthand knowledge that medications and treatments were being used to cover up abuse.
Most states have rules for licensed veterinarians obligating them to report abuse, not help cover it up.
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I find these attempts to disavow the partner’s knowledge of AM’s misconduct specious at best. My poor non-horsey husband who doesn’t even like horses still knows every single training hiccup/success, physical malady and everything between as relates to my horses. It kind of defies belief that someone’s life partner/veterinarian would not have some level of awareness of how those horses are managed and what medical treatment they may have been given.
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Something that occurred to me, though the thought was unspeakably vile, is whether or not AM treats his SO the way he treats his horses. That would add a layer of complexity to this already fraught situation. I don’t have enough information to make judgment calls either way re: his SO’s complicity. But we do know AM is guilty of abuse - that much is blatantly evident from videos.
Regarding involvement of SOs in your horsey life, I’d be reluctant to lump everyone in the same boat based on MY relationship, as everyone’s is different.
My opinion of the vet’s complicity could change at any moment as more evidence comes to light.
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@beowulf said it better than I had while I got distracted with other things so I deleted most of my thoughts. Very well said on all points Beowulf.
I just want to say @wanderlust, feel lucky that your spouse is so involved and do not assume that all people have the same life as you do.
Do not base decisions on assuming it is the same for all.
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This. When I was married, my husband almost NEVER came to the barn, shows, etc. Once, he came to the barn with me (I don’t recall why) and as we drove up the driveway he pointed to a big grey horse in the pasture and said, “that’s a pretty horse. Who does he belong to?” Yeah, it was my horse. 
So everyone’s experience can be different.
That said though, if your SO is also your vet…well that does imply a degree of inside knowledge.
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They created that account 6 days ago and post exclusively on this thread, perhaps that’s a clue as to why they don’t leave their posts up.
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A vet, and a rider who actually participates in the sport of eventing and trains with AM.
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In the realm of people who may be directly implicated here, what about the owners? It did not sound like Plain Dealing Farm had any horses with him when the videos came out, and he hasn’t shown any of theirs since the spring. So unless I’m missing something, none of Andrew’s current owners has said a thing: either to stand by him/make excuses or to the effect that they’re just as shocked as everyone else (except oddly few people in the area are) and have moved their horses. And of his current competition horses, three of them are owned by the same person. So it’s starting to feel like they’re hoping this will all blow over and Andrew can continue on as he has.
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I’m not assuming anyone has the same life. My personal anecdote aside,
I find it wild that the alleged partner of AM, who is an equine vet, reportedly AM’s vet, and also reportedly a long-time student of AM, would be clueless as to what has reportedly been going on for the better part of a decade. That’s all.
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Maybe there is hope TPTB will actually do something against AM
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One of the horses in the videos that were circulating was owned by Plain Dealing Farm. They have spoken out on Facebook.
Right, but the videos are months old. Part of PDF’s statement was that their horses were “safe at home with us.” Ergo, their horse wasn’t in Andrew’s barn when the videos became public.
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Same.
I thought I read something upthread that inferred dex was something “a vet” would need to administer, and that stuck with me. I must have misread that or misremembered it, @Virginia_Horse_Mom.
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So I want to circle back and double click on this for a moment.
I’ve seen a couple posters on this thread make comments to this effect about the role of the SO, and how people on the outside don’t know what they don’t know… except that it seems AM has some issues with volatility and rage and takes it out on animals… and perhaps everyone should be cautious before criticizing the SO.
I think everyone making these comments is being very thoughtful and careful.
But… I somewhat disagree with this line of reasoning.
I’ll put my perspective out there by taking this possible scenario, and removing it from this situation involving real people and many unknowns… and instead analyze it using a purely hypothetical scenario.
Let’s say there is a couple - a man and a woman, and he is a successful youth football coach who runs a thriving and lucrative summer camp for kids, and she is a pediatrician. Let’s say she attends games and sometimes observes practices with the team, and is friendly with the kids. They all know who she is. Let’s say that sometimes the youth football coach is domineering and abusive to the kids. He yells at them and forces them to play when injured. He doesn’t observe concussion protocols and tells the kids to get back in the game and resume playing even when it’s risky. Etc etc etc. Let’s say the kids are intimidated by this old school coach, suffering the impacts of the emotional abuse they have sustained in his program, and are really unable to stand up for themselves and their own health and wellbeing. And it’s pretty serious. Let’s say the abusive coach’s female significant other is aware of all this, and has witnessed this behavior at times during camp and practices, when the kids’ parents aren’t present. She knows kids who have concussion risks are returning to play entirely too soon, and other injured kids are not resting when they should. She knows it’s a result of the coach’s toxic influence and recklessness.
But she doesn’t speak up for the kids or intervene.
Let’s say the coach is physically abusive to her in private. And that’s part of the reason she doesn’t speak up on behalf of the kids. She is personally terrified of the coach and feels trapped in her own relationship with him.
So let’s say that at times when attending practices, she does her best to just keep an eye on the kids, maybe putting ice packs on kids she knows are playing injured, etc etc. Just trying to help them out a little in smaller ways.
Let’s say that eventually the situation comes to light, a kid is seriously injured while playing in this youth football program, and the parents are angry and report the coach to the league, and report his significant other to the state medical board overseeing licensing and professional complaints related to pediatricians. Because this woman did see what was going on with their child, and she was a mandatory reporter. But she didn’t step in to help their child, and didn’t report the abusive conduct that the put the health and welfare of their child at risk.
Let’s say there is eventually a hearing in front of a medical review committee of some kind about her actions, and her inactions in this situation. And her defense for her inaction is that she was scared of suffering physical abuse at the hands of her significant other, so she chose not to report the ways he was abusing the children and placing their health and welfare at risk.
Sooooo… think about that horrible hypothetical situation. If any of you were on the medical review board in a situation like that… would you give her a pass, and refrain from suspending and revoking her medical license as a pediatrician? Because she herself was a victim of abuse?
I will be honest. If I was on a medical review board in this situation… I would sanction the pediatrician involved. She took an oath and had an ethical duty to follow through as a mandatory reporter looking out for the safety and health of a key population. If she can not fulfill her ethical obligations for one reason or another, then she should no longer be a licensed practicing pediatrician overseeing the health and wellbeing of the population involved in this situation.
In my opinion, she had a choice. She could and should see that her toxic and abusive relationship was impacting her ability to follow through on her ethical duty as a practicing pediatrician. And if she wanted to continue being a practicing pediatrician… she should have ended that relationship. She is not entitled to a medical license if she is failing to uphold key duties of that profession. It’s a sad hypothetical situation to consider… but ethical responsibilities for people who are mandatory reporters? I think that’s a pretty important issue.
Anyway… just some food for thought.
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