Animal Communicator, Lidia Hiby

[QUOTE=Guilherme;8378170]
Every horseman/women worth their salt is an “animal communicator.”

Anyone who’s ever been in the investigation business knows that when asking somebody a question you have to be careful not to suggest the answer (assuming you’re looking for accuracy and not some sort of “political” statement). A skilled questioner can lead someone where they don’t really want to go. And if they do want to go there that skilled questioner can “grease the skids.”

Before I would accept even the possibility of “animal communication” by phone I’d have to see a demonstration of a “cold” reading under controlled circumstances.

Any number of magicians from Harry Houdini to the Amazing Randi to Penn and Teller have spent time “debunking” this sort of thing. If these “communicators” were real they’d be multi millionaires from winning money at Belmont or Santa Anita. They aren’t.

G.[/QUOTE]

intuition is not psychic ability to tell the future. Some people are mediums (talk to the dead), and some are also psychic. Many are not.

Also, the future events change based on random events.

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8396287]
If AC can truly pick up communication of horses from afar, (over the phone or at an expo ), why do they only do so when hired? Why aren’t they picking up what must be intense distress signals communicated from starving horses ? We read about these horses in the sad news when it has been going on for months undetected.[/QUOTE]

People tune in when they choose to. They start tuning in during the phone call.

otherwise, the info coming at ACs would be so intense they could not function.

If you have this gift you will see how painful it can be, physically draining, and sad. I wouldn’t want to live like that 24,7- would you?

[QUOTE=JustTheTicket;8396945]
You say you’ve seen pictures from animals. So? I could say it too. Doesn’t make it true. You don’t have proof. You have a little anecdote. You are a Disney character if you really think that you can talk to animals and they talk back and I’m supposed to believe its real just because you say it is. I’m still holding out for some actual proof. There’s a lot out there that I don’t want to see or know either, and I’ve gotten things from animals too, by looking at them and reading their body language. I must be an animal communicator too! Who knew it was that easy?

Honestly, I think you don’t understand the concept of facts and proof. You keep throwing up that I need to look at facts, but a rando from the internet saying “I’ve gotten animal mind pictures!” isn’t proof of anything, and there aren’t any facts there. You have to show something I can’t dispute and the stories you’ve been telling are just that, stories.[/QUOTE]

Sure, I think this little Disney character is done here. I deleted my posts and I’m going to put you on ignore. you are such a mean person, wow! how insulting.

BS . If AC truly could receive messages from far away horses, and they cared about horses, they’d tune their internal antennas or mindset to focus, or whatever they do, once a month or so to get messages from horses in dire need/great distress. And the horses could tell them where they are located, like that lost horse supposedly did.

An AC would not have to do it 24/7 but one would think they’d do it once a month at least, and imagine the publicity they could get being a hero.

But seems they are can only get messages from a horse afar whey they are paid (and work with a person). Ae fee aside, it shows they are bouncing “receiving messages from a horse” off of the owner, not able to directly get messages from the horse without an owner’s feedback/involvement.

[QUOTE=Kwill;8395892]
I am one of the skeptics and I have never been or used a chiropractor on myself or my horse, if that helps. I don’t understand how insurance pays for those guys, in fact, but I am certainly in the minority on that opinion.[/QUOTE]

I don’t either, and here’s why not:

http://www.doctorramey.com/chiropractic/

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8397089]
intuition is not psychic ability to tell the future. Some people are mediums (talk to the dead), and some are also psychic. Many are not.

Houdini was a big believer in mediums until Mrs. Arthur Conan Doyle (yes, that guy’s wife) presented him with a letter she alleged she “channeled” from his dead mother. The letter was in English and filled with Christian symbology. His mother was Jew who only spoke German. He smelled a rat, realized he was being flim flammed, and spent the rest of his career very successfully debunking mediums.

Also, the future events change based on random events.

A scenario is only true as of that moment when the info is presented.

As an old law professor of mine would say, "This is perfectly true, perfect general, and perfectly meaningless. Obviously life is a chain of events, cause and effect. There’s even a funny country song about it. I’m not sure what the point is in noting it.

Other things may come into play to affect that outcome later. People have free will, things change. It’s not as simple as “pick a winner!” wouldn’t that be nice? :)[/QUOTE]

If AC is real then it IS that simple. If an AC can effect non-physical communication over long distances and make factual statements about what’s happening now then what might happen after said statement is made is irrelevant. I don’t understand a logic that would claim that if I’m told Event A has occurred then if I perform Action B that Event A is somehow altered. The Event does not change; the effect the Event going forward might change. If it does that’s because of actions taken after Event A was noted.

People certainly have free will. But that will works on the present and future, not the past.

You noted earlier that you were a scientist; what is your field of expertise?

G.

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8397196]
BS . If AC truly could receive messages from far away horses, and they cared about horses, they’d tune their internal antennas or mindset to focus, or whatever they do, once a month or so to get messages from horses in dire need/great distress. And the horses could tell them where they are located, like that lost horse supposedly did.

An AC would not have to do it 24/7 but one would think they’d do it once a month at least, and imagine the publicity they could get being a hero.

But seems they are can only get messages from a horse afar whey they are paid (and work with a person). Ae fee aside, it shows they are bouncing “receiving messages from a horse” off of the owner, not able to directly get messages from the horse without an owner’s feedback/involvement.[/QUOTE]

Owners do not have to be present for the horse to communicate. The AC can brief the owner later. This debunks your notion that the owner somehow is being read by the AC

I’m amazed that people think someone should not get paid for this service, like they should somehow be for charity.

Do you REALLY think the police would take someone seriously if they said “hey, a psychic lady said to…?” they would be laughed out of a station!

[QUOTE=Guilherme;8397278]
If AC is real then it IS that simple. If an AC can effect non-physical communication over long distances and make factual statements about what’s happening now then what might happen after said statement is made is irrelevant. I don’t understand a logic that would claim that if I’m told Event A has occurred then if I perform Action B that Event A is somehow altered. The Event does not change; the effect the Event going forward might change. If it does that’s because of actions taken after Event A was noted.

People certainly have free will. But that will works on the present and future, not the past.

You noted earlier that you were a scientist; what is your field of expertise?

G.[/QUOTE]

Of course, it works on the future. That is what I said.

I wasn’t talking about the past. I don’t know why you brought up the past?

I do believe there are many people who try to scam people, sure. I said I don’t believe in ALL Acs, just those who I have personal experience with. I don’t use someone from a google search :slight_smile:

I believe in chiros too, for horse and human, and received great benefit. But this is from a medical standpoint, not a spiritual standpoint.

[QUOTE=JustTheTicket;8396303]
I’m sorry but you must not be a very good scientist if you think that telepathy and psychics are fact. Prove it to me. Show me actual facts and I’ll believe you. I’m curious about how animal communication is an actual science. Because as far as I’m concerned, its all make believe. Animals have never sent me or anyone I know telepathic messages. They communicated with their behavior and body language though, so that’s actual fact. What makes someone good at discovery is also a healthy sense of skepticism, which you seem to be lacking.[/QUOTE]

Is it possible animals just don’t relate to you? You come across as being rather harsh.

I get telepathic messages from my horse every day:

“Feed me” !

Someone asked me-- the post now seems to be gone-- and I did not have a chance to reply until now-- if I had ever tried to “read” messages for people not in my family or dogs not my own.

My answer is, of course not. I never tried to “read” anything at all, sometimes inexplicably I “knew” something, but that “knowing” ( whatever you want to call it) was not something I sought out, not something I necessarily wanted to experience, and was never something I could manipulate or deliberately or consciously access. And perhaps that was the worst of it all-- it was something that happened to me, not me in charge of or controlling it. I would not have the faintest idea how, even if you wanted to, or thought that you could, try to deliberately “read” a person or an animal. Are there some people with the ability to do so? I think so. Are there frauds that claim to do this but cannot? Of course.

I claim no such ability to “read” or communicate with an animal or person. I do not want that ability. Even if I had it, I would not want to do it. The experiences I have had of “knowing” have been profoundly unsettling. I would have preferred never having them, and have done my level best to avoid, however that might be done, any more occurrences.

But animals do understand health and illness-- perhaps not in those terms-- but they do. I recall when my older Australian shepherd had been treated for a rare cancer in his eyelid. I was told it was not likely to come back. But one day, my younger Aussie pup-- another male-- these two were not good pals-- spent a very long time sniffing the older guy’s eye, right near the area that had been affected before. The Aussie pup usually avoided the older guy, and so this was unusual behavior. The pup was sniffing, sniffing, sniffing, and looked strained and anxious. The older guy let him sniff and sniff and sniff, and looked anxious as well. I got the older guy to the vet that afternoon.

I knew what I would be told-- the cancer was back. It was back, but at a microscopic level. Nothing apparent to the naked eye. But the little pup had smelled something not right. Fortunately with the very, very early detection from the little pup, we were able to start treatment right away and give the older guy some good quality time in the last part of his life. Had it been discovered only with visible symptoms, the prognosis would have been much different because things would have advanced considerably. The little pup did the older guy a really good turn.

Did the pup know about cancer? Not as such, no, I doubt it. But did he pick up on the scent of something not right? Yes, he most certainly did.

Animals pick up cues, verbal, non verbal, scent, etc that humans do not. We humans do not fully get how they DO communicate, and it is only within the last century or so that a widespread view of animals as sort of robotic beasts without emotion has been debunked. Could animals communicate with each other via an exchange of mental image? I do not know why not. Science can neither prove nor disprove this-- but science cannot prove or disprove many things.

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8397280]
Owners do not have to be present for the horse to communicate. The AC can brief the owner later. This debunks your notion that the owner somehow is being read by the AC

I’m amazed that people think someone should not get paid for this service, like they should somehow be for charity.

Do you REALLY think the police would take someone seriously if they said “hey, a psychic lady said to…?” they would be laughed out of a station![/QUOTE]

  1. Simply gainsaying, without evidence, your interlocutor’s point does not “debunk” anything.

  2. It is a custom among many professionals, such as lawyers and doctors, to do pro bono work. Apparently animal communicators are a stingy lot.

  3. There is a reason police wouldn’t take “a psychic lady” seriously. They are aware that there is no such thing as a psychic lady.

I think some of you missed my point. I was not at all talking about getting any comfort from what the animal communicator said, I got none whatsoever about my horse’s death. And I know horses colic, I’ve seen plenty of it in 50 years of living with horses, and my management methods for my horses is specifically designed to reduce their risk. But to say that a horse dying from a stomach rupture within hours of being found is something that any horse will go through if they live long enough is BULLSHIT. Sorry. Anyway, my post was more about the specificity of the reading in terms of my horses’ pasts. Things I DID NOT KNOW but was able to confirm later with previous owners. Right down to the color and sex of the other horses involved. So I don’t really care if you believe or not, I know what came out of the reading and that is all that really matters. I don’t believe she predicted my horse’s death, and as other people have said, just because someone can see SOMETHING doesn’t mean they can see EVERYTHING. I believe there are gifts some people have that defy explanation. I also believe there are a lot of charlatans out there, who are just in it for the money.

http://www.consciousnessandbiofeedback.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Voluntary-Control-of-Internal-States-Psychological-and-Physiological.pdf

A not wholly related yet partly relevant article that discusses imagery people experience in certain brain wave states. I think it offers some support for receiving “images” if in a state of use of a particular state of brain wave ( theta, I think, though I might be wrong-- not remembering for sure which one the article designated).

For those who want some science-- this is a bit that might bear out the receiving of “images” via a measure of brain wave state.

Edited to add

https://www.webmedcentral.com/article_view/1164

An article on scientific testing for telepathy… does not prove its existence, but does not discount it.

[QUOTE=TBROCKS;8397312]
Is it possible animals just don’t relate to you? You come across as being rather harsh.[/QUOTE]

Isn’t this a variation on the “it doesn’t work for you if you don’t believe” gambit?

G.

Just like Santa

[QUOTE=Sunflower;8397440]
http://www.consciousnessandbiofeedback.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Voluntary-Control-of-Internal-States-Psychological-and-Physiological.pdf

A not wholly related yet partly relevant article that discusses imagery people experience in certain brain wave states. I think it offers some support for receiving “images” if in a state of use of a particular state of brain wave ( theta, I think, though I might be wrong-- not remembering for sure which one the article designated).

For those who want some science-- this is a bit that might bear out the receiving of “images” via a measure of brain wave state.

Edited to add

https://www.webmedcentral.com/article_view/1164

An article on scientific testing for telepathy… does not prove its existence, but does not discount it.[/QUOTE]

Saying we can’t prove but can’t disprove is like saying “if we had some ham we could have some ham and eggs…if we had any eggs.”

The history of this sort of stuff is as old as human tribal culture. No one, in the last 15,000 years or so, has been able to reliably prove the existence of non-physical communication. In spite of this market beckons. And capitalism, Got Bless It, provides relief in the form of persons who enter the market claiming such skills. People pay them and the placebo effect kicks in and everybody’s happy.

Except that when using this diagnose equine illness, temperament issues, etc. there is a loser: the horse.

G.

[QUOTE=Guilherme;8397508]
Saying we can’t prove but can’t disprove is like saying “if we had some ham we could have some ham and eggs…if we had any eggs.”

The history of this sort of stuff is as old as human tribal culture. No one, in the last 15,000 years or so, has been able to reliably prove the existence of non-physical communication. In spite of this market beckons. And capitalism, Got Bless It, provides relief in the form of persons who enter the market claiming such skills. People pay them and the placebo effect kicks in and everybody’s happy.

Except that when using this diagnose equine illness, temperament issues, etc. there is a loser: the horse.

G.[/QUOTE]

Did you, in fact, read either one of the articles in the links I posted?

[QUOTE=Sunflower;8397533]
Did you, in fact, read either one of the articles in the links I posted?[/QUOTE]

Yup.

The first one was very long and can be boiled down to “maybe there’s something to all this but it requires more research.”

The second was “we think we’ve found potential but nothing solid yet.”

We can summarize both by quoting Dorothy Parker: ‘there is no “there” there.’

G.