Animal Communicator, Lidia Hiby

[QUOTE=JustTheTicket;8396303]
I’m sorry but you must not be a very good scientist if you think that telepathy and psychics are fact. Prove it to me. Show me actual facts and I’ll believe you. I’m curious about how animal communication is an actual science. Because as far as I’m concerned, its all make believe. Animals have never sent me or anyone I know telepathic messages. They communicated with their behavior and body language though, so that’s actual fact. What makes someone good at discovery is also a healthy sense of skepticism, which you seem to be lacking.[/QUOTE]

I can only tell you the facts of what happened to me.
Not everyone can receive messages, and that’s ok.
Also as to why people don’t receive messages all the time - they tune in a certain times. Its a,shift in perspective.
And yes, I’m a very good scientist.
I’ve always been more spiritual than most scientists.
Im very skeptical towards acs that I font know, not all are reliable.

They’re not really facts, though. Prove that someone received “messages”. Don’t just tell me about how someone told you something and you chose to believe. That’s not a fact, that’s an amusing anecdote.

You can be spiritual, that’s great. I am too. But spiritualism really has nothing to do with science, because spiritualism doesn’t have a lot to do with facts. Much like animal communication, it’s just about choosing to believe what you’re told, without proof, unlike science. Ergo, animal communication is not science. It’s more like a fun party trick.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3342828/

Interesting publication on the metaphysical philosophies underpinning chiropracty.

[QUOTE=JustTheTicket;8396458]
They’re not really facts, though. Prove that someone received “messages”. Don’t just tell me about how someone told you something and you chose to believe. That’s not a fact, that’s an amusing anecdote.

You can be spiritual, that’s great. I am too. But spiritualism really has nothing to do with science, because spiritualism doesn’t have a lot to do with facts. Much like animal communication, it’s just about choosing to believe what you’re told, without proof, unlike science. Ergo, animal communication is not science. It’s more like a fun party trick.[/QUOTE]

Fact is the ac told me things that were true that were detailed and had no way of knowing. Its not just wishful thinking.

You see m to think we can direct the ac, which isn’t how it works.

Are you always so nasty? Wow… Reminds me why I don’t post on here much.
Never mind!

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8396474]
Fact is the ac told me things that were true that were detailed and had no way of knowing. Its not just wishful thinking.

You see m to think we can direct the ac, which isn’t how it works.[/QUOTE]

IMO it’s exactly how it works. The AC isn’t “reading” the horse they are “reading” the people.

Have you ever met a REALLY good “con artist?” Of the class that can talk people out of their life savings, steal it, and then convince the victim that it wasn’t their fault? I’ve never met Bernie Madoff, but I’ve met some that could steal almost as well as he could. Some people are just really that good. They can steal with both hands and leave the victims smiling.

Given this background it doesn’t surprise me that some folks can spin a pretty good yarn about a horse they’ve never seen.

G.

I would be far, far, far more skeptical about animal communicators and whether there is in fact an ability to send “messages”, be they pictures, feelings, or whatever, save for some life experiences I have had. Given the general tone of this thread, some of them are too deeply personal to want to share, but there is one that I will. Remember-- this is not an experience I sought out. I was a kid, I knew nothing about telepathy, metaphysics, etc. I grew up in a house where my dad was a trained medical doctor, my mother a social worker using Freudian theory-- i.e. very science and scientific process oriented.

One day after Christmas, my beloved dog got out of the backyard and followed my mother ( who was walking) to the local grocery store. We had some neighbors over-- casually-- and so there were lots of people at the house. I did not know the dog was out. All of a sudden I had a horrible feeling of dread and anguish sweep over me, and I began to cry and scream, “My dog is dead, my dog is dead.” My dad said I became so hysterical he thought I had gone mad. My family-- save for my mom-- and neighbors were there. In other words-- lots of people who saw this. Some moments later, my mom was dropped off at the house in a strange car with the body of my dog in her arms. The car had hit my dog, killing her.

I remember the living room of the house falling silent, and everyone just looking at me.

I don’t know how I knew what I knew-- but I did. And there were people to witness it.

I used to also be able to know who was on the phone, who they were calling for, back in the days of landlines. I just thought this was normal. I would say, “Oh Dad, Mr. X is calling for you.” My parents and sisters thought this was odd, and then got used to it. It took me awhile to realize this was not something everyone could do. Yes, I was right far beyond what time, coincidence and circumstance might say about who was on the phone.

There are some others-- experiences that happened, not ones that I sought out-- but I do not want to share them here. Suffice only to say that this sort of thing happening was sometimes frightening and disturbing. It was not something I liked occurring. I did my best to just close myself off from “it”-- to block that part of my brain or whatever from – whatever.

I do not claim to be a physic, I do not consult them. I used as AC on my horse once, out of curiosity. I do think there are ACs with a gift of some sort that allows communication on a plane others of us have blocked-- we could do it-- we have blocked the ability or the desire to do it. There are also people parading as ACs that are frauds. But a fraudulent AC does not mean the whole field of people are frauds-- only that one.

How did a 10 or 11 year old child know about the death of her dog… before she could have known? All these years later, it makes me feel very sad, I feel the loss and grief as I remember that situation. It is not pleasant recalling it. I put it on the message board as the one incident I can point to where there were plenty of witnesses. They all saw what happened. I don’t have a ready explanation, and no one else does either. But I knew. And because of that, I do not readily discount that there are many things about this world we do not understand, and just because we do not understand them does not mean they do not happen, cannot happen and are not there.

Here’s my $.02:
Why can’t an AC be considered on a par with the Idiot Savant who cannot tie their own shoes or perform any other ADL, but sits down at the piano & performs difficult classical pieces perfectly?
There are documented examples of people who are incapable of living a normal life, but display specific unusual talent in music, art, mathematics, etc.
How does Science explain this phenomena?

Maybe some of the unused 80% of the human brain contains the empathic talent that allows interspecies communication?

duplicate sorry

Why can’t an AC be considered on a par with the Idiot Savant who cannot tie their own shoes or perform any other ADL, but sits down at the piano & performs difficult classical pieces perfectly?

Because people can HEAR it, and thus have proof that the difficult piano pieces are being played perfectly by this child. The child playing the piano beautifully is a fact that trained musicians and regular people can actually listen to or record and allow others to see for themselves…

It is not anecdotes about a savant child who said to play beautifully , but nobody ever hears them play except a person with the anecdote about it.

Animals read us far better than we read them, dogs especially. They have to fit in our world, we don’t live in their world. We don’t give up our house and go live in a field and sleep outside and poop in the grass with a herd of horses .

Dogs are especially adept at reading humans, our body language and energy. Horses also read us but are a grazing flight animal so they can react to us in ways we don’t understand .

The reason there are limited species as pets or working animals is because many species of animals aka wild only can read us as a meal, or fear figure, humans inspire flight or if need be fight and that’s it for them. Even if we raise wild animals as pets, they never really get us, aka they lack ability to “read” humans in a reliable or safe manner .

Animals can read humans because they read each other via mainly energy and body language. But that does not mean they are tapping into past or specific things that happened, let alone predicting future events. They are instinct and sensitivity drive to respond to energy, cues, body language, with often far sharper hearing or sense of touch or smell than we have.

Religion is not the same as faith or a belief in higher or other beings.

[QUOTE=MistyBlue;8390471]
The disagreement can go both ways…
there are a few on here that will poo-poo all over religion on various threads (and sometimes even start them) but yet will be believers on: Animal communication, hauntings/ghosts, auras, empaths to the nth degree, etc.

It’s hilariously ironic. :smiley:

I think ACs are fine as entertainment. I do not think they should be giving any type of medical advice at all. None, Zippo. Zilch, Nada.
And getting paid to give medical advice is…not exactly legal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8396493]
Are you always so nasty? Wow… Reminds me why I don’t post on here much.
Never mind![/QUOTE]

I’m not nasty, I’m trying to have a debate of sorts. I want you to prove that animal communication is a factual science. You said I don’t look at the facts, or something along those lines, so show me some facts. Make me believe. Because, again, otherwise its just some story someone told you and you twisted the “facts” to make them fit your situation.

Don’t come here telling me to just blindly believe something. As a scientist, you should know that’s not how things work.

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8396681]
Why can’t an AC be considered on a par with the Idiot Savant who cannot tie their own shoes or perform any other ADL, but sits down at the piano & performs difficult classical pieces perfectly?

Because people can HEAR it, and thus have proof that the difficult piano pieces are being played perfectly by this child. The child playing the piano beautifully is a fact that trained musicians and regular people can actually listen to or record and allow others to see for themselves…

It is not anecdotes about a savant child who said to play beautifully , but nobody ever hears them play except a person with the anecdote about it.[/QUOTE]

OK, agreed.
But read my last sentence.
What part of the Savant’s brain is active that is not used consciously by “normal” people?
Could ACs be using a talent/part of the brain most don’t realize exists?

But read my last sentence.
What part of the Savant’s brain is active that is not used consciously by “normal” people?
Could ACs be using a talent/part of the brain most don’t realize exists?

The AC’s may think they are using a talent/part of brain most don’t realize exist, but nobody else can recognize in a factually or demonstrably reliable way they are able to do so.

With a savant child piano player other people can hear the music and verify the fact that the child can play it, even if we can’t understand how or why.

With the AC , all we have is anecdotes which judging by what seen on the board are pretty dependent on the people and have little to do with how a horse actually thinks. That and one verified example of help in finding a lost horse…that’s it?

If the best AC had the talent they claimed, they’d be on TV such as Animal Planet doing readings of pets people email or call in. But apparently, their “talent” can’t hold up to any real scrutiny or wider media exposure.

I think AC are hopefully not deliberate charlatans and they believe they have real abilities. Some might have a few flashes or true intuition here and there…do it long enough and that would happen via luck/ coincidence and that animals/horses have a limited set of common things happen in their lives and common people interaction issues with some bound to be true for X # of horses or dogs they are claiming to read.

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Just the ticket you forgot the part that I myself am an AC.

FACT is I have had images from horses,
FACT is I get things that I shouldn’t have gotten, from horses that are not even in the same location as me.
FACT is I didn’t ask for this gift.
FACT is there a lot I don’t want to see/know-- suffering, pain, loss.

Sometimes you don’t want to hear what the horses are saying.

You don’t know the first thing about this, so stop being such a jerk to me, implying that I am bad scientist and a Disney Princess.

Want proof? I have it. you just won’t hear it.

No problem, this is a common reaction, that is why I don’t share my thoughts with people who know me.

[QUOTE=Sunflower;8396639]

And because of that, I do not readily discount that there are many things about this world we do not understand, and just because we do not understand them does not mean they do not happen, cannot happen and are not there.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree with this. Here’s some science to back up Sunflower’s view:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/science/quantum-theory-experiment-said-to-prove-spooky-interactions.html?_r=0
[I]In a landmark study, scientists at Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands reported that they had conducted an experiment that they say proved one of the most fundamental claims of quantum theory — that objects separated by great distance can instantaneously affect each other’s behavior.

The finding is another blow to one of the bedrock principles of standard physics known as “locality,” which states that an object is directly influenced only by its immediate surroundings. The Delft study, published Wednesday in the journal Nature, lends further credence to an idea that Einstein famously rejected. He said quantum theory necessitated “spooky action at a distance,” and he refused to accept the notion that the universe could behave in such a strange and apparently random fashion.

In particular, Einstein derided the idea that separate particles could be “entangled” so completely that measuring one particle would instantaneously influence the other, regardless of the distance separating them.[/I]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8396848]
Just the ticket you forgot the part that I myself am an AC.

FACT is I have had images from horses,
FACT is I get things that I shouldn’t have gotten, from horses that are not even in the same location as me.
FACT is I didn’t ask for this gift.
FACT is there a lot I don’t want to see/know-- suffering, pain, loss.

Sometimes you don’t want to hear what the horses are saying.

You don’t know the first thing about this, so stop being such a jerk to me, implying that I am bad scientist and a Disney Princess.

Want proof? I have it. you just won’t hear it.

No problem, this is a common reaction, that is why I don’t share my thoughts with people who know me.[/QUOTE]

You say you’ve seen pictures from animals. So? I could say it too. Doesn’t make it true. You don’t have proof. You have a little anecdote. You are a Disney character if you really think that you can talk to animals and they talk back and I’m supposed to believe its real just because you say it is. I’m still holding out for some actual proof. There’s a lot out there that I don’t want to see or know either, and I’ve gotten things from animals too, by looking at them and reading their body language. I must be an animal communicator too! Who knew it was that easy?

Honestly, I think you don’t understand the concept of facts and proof. You keep throwing up that I need to look at facts, but a rando from the internet saying “I’ve gotten animal mind pictures!” isn’t proof of anything, and there aren’t any facts there. You have to show something I can’t dispute and the stories you’ve been telling are just that, stories.

[QUOTE=JustTheTicket;8396945]
You say you’ve seen pictures from animals. So? I could say it too. Doesn’t make it true. You don’t have proof. You have a little anecdote. You are a Disney character if you really think that you can talk to animals and they talk back and I’m supposed to believe its real just because you say it is. I’m still holding out for some actual proof. There’s a lot out there that I don’t want to see or know either, and I’ve gotten things from animals too, by looking at them and reading their body language. I must be an animal communicator too! Who knew it was that easy?

Honestly, I think you don’t understand the concept of facts and proof. You keep throwing up that I need to look at facts, but a rando from the internet saying “I’ve gotten animal mind pictures!” isn’t proof of anything, and there aren’t any facts there. You have to show something I can’t dispute and the stories you’ve been telling are just that, stories.[/QUOTE]

How exactly do you think this is able to be proven? You can’t conjure up things just because you want an animal to do a certain thing.

I can’t make them say walk over to a certain area and do something telepathically. If I did I’d have better show results LOL.

I don’t control this, the animals do. I don’t talk to them, they talk to me.

“Talk” is not a good word to use, that is like Mr Ed.

I get info.

I guess this is tiring for me because I don’t want to have a debate, this isn’t something I care of you believe or think is true.

You’re nasty about it, and it’s not fun for me to be involved.

I just share my story, take it or leave it. I know the limitations of science, but that doesn’t mean it’s not valuable for me to have these things happen.

I don’t want to mix science into this…

the minute you operate in the fact/left brained side you loose the ability to hear. It shuts down, for me.

Too much stuffing and shutting down is why many people can’t get this impression. You just sort of have to go with it, and trust the process.