Horses enjoy getting a call from strangers now and again, so they can air their grievances. “…and she won’t get me that red blanket that I really wanted, I mean come on, how hard is that, it’s not like I buck her off when she jabs me with the spur, I am telling you, I am so patient with that…and you would think she would know by now I like the beer in the silver can, not that microbrew crap she keeps bringing…”
I wonder how many people that are skeptical ( put politely) about animal communicators use a chiropractor on themselves and/or their horse. And for those that do, I wonder what they make of the metaphysical components of the chiropractic “knowledge” base. And then how they would reconcile skepticism about one and not the other.
I am one of the skeptics and I have never been or used a chiropractor on myself or my horse, if that helps. I don’t understand how insurance pays for those guys, in fact, but I am certainly in the minority on that opinion.
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I wonder how many people that are skeptical ( put politely) about animal communicators use a chiropractor on themselves and/or their horse. And for those that do, I wonder what they make of the metaphysical components of the chiropractic “knowledge” base. And then how they would reconcile skepticism about one and not the other.[/QUOTE]
I have no dog in any of the argument as a whole, but this statement really doesn’t make sense to me.
When I went to the chiropractor they took x-rays of my back and neck to determine what was wrong and could show improvement with subsequent x-rays. When I brought the chiropractor out to my horse he felt along his neck and spine for abnormalities. He had me touch them too to feel the difference afterwards.
I’m failing to see the “metaphysical” aspects of either of those experiences.
From wikipedia:
“Chiropractic’s early philosophy was rooted in vitalism, naturalism, magnetism, spiritualism and other constructs that were not amenable to the scientific method. Chiropractic’s founder, D.D. Palmer, attempted to merge science and metaphysics.”
That’s a whole other discussion, though. But that’s why she posted it.
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From wikipedia:
“Chiropractic’s early philosophy was rooted in vitalism, naturalism, magnetism, spiritualism and other constructs that were not amenable to the scientific method. Chiropractic’s founder, D.D. Palmer, attempted to merge science and metaphysics.”
That’s a whole other discussion, though. But that’s why she posted it.[/QUOTE]
Oh, that’s interesting. I never knew that! Although I would have to say my experience with modern chiropractors is absolutely nothing like that.
Ok y’all. Carry on!
I did a consultation once with Lydia when she was at the Western States Horse Expo. I just happened to be walking by and decided to give it a go, it was cheap. She told me some absolutely astonishing things about several of my horses, that were absolutely spot on. She gave me a very detailed account of something that had happened in one horse’s past, which I was later able to confirm with his previous owner, down to the last detail. This was not something I knew anything about, so she sure wasn’t reading it from me. And it was VERY specific. I have used some other animal communicators in the past with so-so results… some very good, some generic garbage I could have made up myself. I say give it a try.
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Chiropractors train, are college and then post college graduates in coursework of anatomy and physiology and are licensed professionals. I don’t see any analogy whatsoever
Analogy might more be consulting a psychic. Which some swear by. And a few might be talented, or at least caring and provide some relief or help to people who feel troubled.
Addition to my recent post - my consultation was done in a crowded exposition hall, obviously none of my horses were with me. I am very good at a poker face and very deliberately gave nothing away. I was quite skeptical and this reading was very accurate. And the events she described in my new horse’s past were extremely unusual. The weirdest part was that this horse wanted me to know that, if anything every happened to him, he did not want heroic measures taken, i.e. no colic surgery, etc. He was 10 at the time of the reading. Five years later, he started to look a little “off” behind. Long story short, it turned out not to be a lameness but neurological. He had arthritis in his cervical spine that was pressing on his spinal chord. We tried ultrasound guided steroid injections, but he wasn’t improving. He had the second set of injections on a Wednesday, and the surgeon and I discussed his prognosis, which wasn’t good. On Saturday, he had a terrible colic and an allergic reaction to Buscopan. Despite the best efforts of the vets at UC Davis we had to euthanize him that evening. He took the matter straight out of my hands, while I was standing there considering surgery.
I know a lot of you will say “horses colic” and that it was coincidence, but it was eerily similar to the situation he described to me about what he DIDN’T want. I do believe there was a moment of prescience there, on somebody’s part.
I am glad you found comfort in what the animal communicator said your horse related to her. That’s what these things are all about, the owner’s peace of mind.
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Is it a cool feeling to be so certain about things that one really can’t be certain of at all?[/QUOTE]
Lol, I don’t live in a Disney movie like some of you do, so yeah, here in the real world its pretty cool to feel certain that animals don’t speak English and don’t telepathically send pictures to other beings. Don’t be ridiculous.
The weirdest part was that this horse wanted me to know that, if anything every happened to him, he did not want heroic measures taken, i.e. no colic surgery, etc. He was 10 at the time of the reading
Look, I’m glad you found some comfort but your example shows how it’s all about the person , not the horse. How do you know she does not say that to everyone? Wouldn’t what she said re no heroic measures apply to every horse or animal, if they could formulate such a concept (which they can’t) She made no accurate prediction about your horses health or future time line. It had multiple issues she never warned about (arthritis, teh allergic reaction) What she did warn about was sadly a dreaded event that any horse might experience if it lives long enough.
A horse can’t know what Colic means or how vets treat it. A horse would feel it as pain in their tummy, if they ever had it. IF they never had it, how could they possibly know what it is, let alone the word for it?
It sounds like you loved your horse with all your heart, did your best for him, gave him a great life. That is what gives comfort, that is what mattered to your horse while he was on earth. .
Of course how can one prove your horse didn’t have this thought she claimed to convey…which is why an AC is able to make these kinds of claims.
The best reading I had about my horses was from a non horse person. She reads dogs, horses, humans…
Also we were miles away from the animals and it was a cold reading. She suddenly picked up in them during my reading (human).
My point was that spirits are spirits. One does not read body language in a reading, how silly to think that!
If you are going to slam something at least become educated on it so you don’t sound so off track!
If you think its all happy Disney stuff …? Well, not always true.
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The weirdest part was that this horse wanted me to know that, if anything every happened to him, he did not want heroic measures taken, i.e. no colic surgery, etc. He was 10 at the time of the reading
Look, I’m glad you found some comfort but your example shows how it’s all about the person , not the horse. How do you know she does not say that to everyone? Wouldn’t what she said re no heroic measures apply to every horse or animal, if they could formulate such a concept (which they can’t) She made no accurate prediction about your horses health or future time line. It had multiple issues she never warned about (arthritis, teh allergic reaction) What she did warn about was sadly a dreaded event that any horse might experience if it lives long enough.
A horse can’t know what Colic means or how vets treat it. A horse would feel it as pain in their tummy, if they ever had it. IF they never had it, how could they possibly know what it is, let alone the word for it?
It sounds like you loved your horse with all your heart, did your best for him, gave him a great life. That is what gives comfort, that is what mattered to your horse while he was on earth. .
Of course how can one prove your horse didn’t have this thought she claimed to convey…which is why an AC is able to make these kinds of claims.[/QUOTE]
This is why I don’t put much stock in animal communicators. I used to work for a woman who would base her training decisions on what her ac told her in their weekly calls. I mean, this woman was trying to build an actual legitimate business, but would say things like " [This horse] told AC that he wants to go to the Olympics someday." No. No, he didn’t. AC figured that woman wanted to go to the Olympics someday and picked her young horse to be the one to say he’d take her there. The horse wasn’t remotely close to international quality, and oh yeah, horses don’t even know what the Olympics are.
Same trainer also had a horse with a serious brain injury. (He flipped on concrete and scrambled his brains.) She’d tried to work him, and he seriously hurt some people, ran through round pens and had no sense of self preservation. He was fine as a pasture ornament and nothing else. Normal people would accept that reality and leave the horse to live out his years in a field. She called her AC and found out that horse “told” her he was ready to go back to work. Since I didn’t want to witness the train wreck that was going to be, I quit soon after. So, based on things like that, I don’t really believe much of what animal communicators have to say.
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My point was that spirits are spirits. One does not read body language in a reading, how silly to think that!
If you are going to slam something at least become educated on it so you don’t sound so off track!
If you think its all happy Disney stuff …? Well, not always true.[/QUOTE]
They pick generic things that apply to any creature, and you, and as Disney princess living in a dream world, desperate to believe that your horses speak to you, will find ways to make her reading accurate to your situation. Its exactly the same with psychics doing reading for people. You want to believe its true so you suspend your disbelief to a certain extent to make it true.
But :lol:. Animals are animals. I love them, don’t get me wrong. But they aren’t mystical spirits. That’s just ignorant.
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I wonder how many people that are skeptical ( put politely) about animal communicators use a chiropractor on themselves and/or their horse. And for those that do, I wonder what they make of the metaphysical components of the chiropractic “knowledge” base. And then how they would reconcile skepticism about one and not the other.[/QUOTE]
Not this person. Chiropractors are quacks as far as I’m concerned. I might go to a good massage therapist (NOT Reiki or any of that “alternative” cr*p), but not a chiropractor. There have also been instances of chiros doing their “work” on infants and causing serious damage
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They pick generic things that apply to any creature, and you, and as Disney princess living in a dream world, desperate to believe that your horses speak to you, will find ways to make her reading accurate to your situation. Its exactly the same with psychics doing reading for people. You want to believe its true so you suspend your disbelief to a certain extent to make it true.
But :lol:. Animals are animals. I love them, don’t get me wrong. But they aren’t mystical spirits. That’s just ignorant.[/QUOTE]
Facts must not mean much to you then, you dismiss what doesn’t fit your narrow view of what is real.
I’m a very well trained scientist, and part of what makes someone good at discovery is a sense that they don’t know everything, and a curious mind.
I’ve enjoyed the readings, and I know just how far to take them.
If AC can truly pick up communication of horses from afar, (over the phone or at an expo ), why do they only do so when hired? Why aren’t they picking up what must be intense distress signals communicated from starving horses ? We read about these horses in the sad news when it has been going on for months undetected.
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Facts must not mean much to you then, you dismiss what doesn’t fit your narrow view of what is real.
I’m a very well trained scientist, and part of what makes someone good at discovery is a sense that they don’t know everything, and a curious mind.
I’ve enjoyed the readings, and I know just how far to take them.[/QUOTE]
I’m sorry but you must not be a very good scientist if you think that telepathy and psychics are fact. Prove it to me. Show me actual facts and I’ll believe you. I’m curious about how animal communication is an actual science. Because as far as I’m concerned, its all make believe. Animals have never sent me or anyone I know telepathic messages. They communicated with their behavior and body language though, so that’s actual fact. What makes someone good at discovery is also a healthy sense of skepticism, which you seem to be lacking.
