Animal Communicator, Lidia Hiby

[Lady_Eboshi]

[QUOTE=SillyHorse;8392977]
We read and hear all the time stories about people who go from doctor to doctor to doctor, never getting a correct diagnosis. Does that mean that all doctors are snake oil salespeople and scam artists?[/QUOTE]

Nope, but that doesn’t mean the next step is a Ouija board.

Yesterday afternoon, my palomino oldster came out of the run-in, walked straight to the fence and looked me dead in the eye, like “I want something.” Then he glanced toward a nearby closed-off paddock full of late-season green clover. None of the others were around, and this guy is nearing 30, so of course I opened the gate and he had himself a one-horse party til dinner.

If that’s not “Animal Communication,” then I’ve never seen it! Psychic powers not required . . .

[SMF11]

[QUOTE=SillyHorse;8392977]
We read and hear all the time stories about people who go from doctor to doctor to doctor, never getting a correct diagnosis. Does that mean that all doctors are snake oil salespeople and scam artists?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but when there’s an area that’s dubious to begin with (which is not how I would characterize medicine – though I do agree one can go to many doctors w/o getting a correct diagnosis) and 100% of my experiences are inaccurate . . . how many experiences do I have to have?

I am open to believing that we don’t know everything about communication. When my Great-Aunt was dying thousands of miles away from me I heard her speak to me, and I am totally convinced it was her.

However, the animal communicators my boarders have consulted included

1. a friend was going to donate her horse to a rescue (because she couldn’t afford him anymore) and the rescue had to consult with the herd at the rescue facility to ask them if they wanted another horse to join them. Thank God the herd said “yes”!

(Side note – apparently it didn’t work out integrating my friend’s horse into the herd, so the rescue consulted the communicator again, who told them “the herd changed their mind.”)

2. The second case was when I decided to put my own horse down as he was in incurable, unrelievable pain. His former owner, who still adored him was distraught. She consulted a communicator who told her the horse said “It’s better for me to be put down now before winter, when something bad could happen.” This, thankfully, gave her great comfort and allowed her to accept the euthanasia decision. However, I am pretty certain that’s not the horse talking, but the voice of common sense.

3. Yesterday a woman was visiting my barn. I told her I was always curious about one of my cats. She saw him and told me I was just a “mode of transportation” for him (he rides back and forth to the barn with me in my car, which she knew). Now, if there’s one thing I’m certain of, it is that this cat adores me – he’s like a dog, almost never leaving me out of sight (he’s curled up on my desk as I type this!). She did ask probing questions, like “what did I want to know” about him, or what the issue was. There was no issue, and I just told her I wanted to know what he was thinking.

Anyway, I wish it were true, but the communicators (all different) are 0 for 3 at my barn!

And PS I do agree with Lady Eboshi – many times its people who can’t read horse body language, or really understand horses, that believe. (OK, not everybody! I’m just saying, for example, that rescue, and my friend, both don’t have a very good understanding of horses).

[Sandy_M]

I haven’t read a single post by an advocate of AC here that doesn’t include active participation and feedback to the AC from the animal’s owner. This is cold reading. Again, if these people have a genuine ability, why do they walk away from an opportunity to win $$$$? They charge for their services. And again, if they’re “above” subjecting themselves to testing, or “don’t need the money” they could donate the money to a good cause. I’m perfectly willing to accept these abilities when they prove them objectively, not anecdotally.

[SMF11]

Arlosmine, your experiences do seem plausible to me! When I heard my Aunt speak, I was in a meeting thousands of miles away. I was looking through the window and daydreaming, not paying attention to the meeting. i was thinking of her (I knew she was dying) and as I thought, I asked – rhetorically – “why do you have to die?”

I was shocked to hear her voice say one word: “Tired”.

Of course, I can’t prove anything, but I know I did not imagine her voice in my head and I know I wasn’t expecting an answer and I also know I would never have picked “tired”.

I’d expect a communicator to see things from an animal’s perspecitve. In the case of the horse I put down, I wouldn’t expect him to say “It is better to put me down now” – if we were talking his perspective he’d either convey “OW OW OW OW” for the pain, or maybe “Ah, the boots feel good” for the soft rides he was in the last week of his life.

[Countrywood]

Most of us have flashes of intuition or communication, from animals or people or even deceased loved ones. But to have that communication reliably, on tap, all within minutes of meeting an animal (let alone “reading” it over the phone) would be a tall order.

The best AC probably have some intuitive abilities and knowledge of animals and horses. Then they develop over the years, their own interpersonal skills and develop a fine tuned ability to read the people who hire them, their anxieties, hopes and issues. They may not do this out of being charlatans, it is a learning curve like any other profession.

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8393102]
Most of us have flashes of intuition or communication, from animals or people or even deceased loved ones. But to have that communication reliably, on tap, all within minutes of meeting an animal (let alone “reading” it over the phone) would be a tall order.

The best AC probably have some intuitive abilities and knowledge of animals and horses. Then they develop over the years, their own interpersonal skills and develop a fine tuned ability to read the people who hire them, their anxieties, hopes and issues. They may not do this out of being charlatans, it is a learning curve like any other profession.[/QUOTE]

I agree that some folks can have “intuitive leaps” when dealing with animal behavioral issues. Some folks are just “naturals” with this sort of thing. I’m not; I’ve had to work at it and learn what the signs mean and then put them together. Most of the time I can. Most good horse trainers can.

When folks want to charge money for something, however, we cross the bar into a whole, new world. Now we have a “commercial” standard. It’s fair to be able to expect some guarantee of accuracy and efficacy. It’s fair to ask about their skill level, experience level, and success rate. It’s fair to ask not only what they do but how they do it. And if the practitioner can’t provide fair answers to these questions is fair to reject what they offer. It’s also fair to point out the failure to others.

G.

[JustTheTicket]

I find it bizarre that people think animals are some mentally higher being who can communicate telepathically. They don’t do that, with each other or with humans. It’s all body language and noises, just like humans use body language and words. A horse hasn’t been to medical school, so it can’t tell you in any way what it’s injury may be. If you pay any attention to your animal at all, you can figure out where it hurts just as well as a psychic.

If you want to get an AC, do it. It’s your money and if that how you want to spend it, fine. I think it’s fine for a laugh, or just to see if they can get a nugget of something interesting, but I certainly wouldn’t take it seriously.

[crimsonsky]

[QUOTE=Sandy M;8393072]
I haven’t read a single post by an advocate of AC here that doesn’t include active participation and feedback to the AC from the animal’s owner. This is cold reading. Again, if these people have a genuine ability, why do they walk away from an opportunity to win $$$$? They charge for their services. And again, if they’re “above” subjecting themselves to testing, or “don’t need the money” they could donate the money to a good cause. I’m perfectly willing to accept these abilities when they prove them objectively, not anecdotally.[/QUOTE]

pretty sure i didn’t give an example that included active participation and feedback in the way you are describing it. however, it comes down to the $20 i spent having an AC “talk” to my mare was worth it to me. that’s all that really matters.

[Ghazzu]

[QUOTE=PrimoAmor;8382857]
I used an AC once, mostly for fun but it turned out quite interesting. I used Joan Ranquet, she is really well known in the Northwest, has had some high profile cases covered by the news. A couple years ago she was able to locate a missing horse that had fallen down a raveen. I’m not sure how she could have done that by ‘reading the owners emotions’.[/QUOTE]

There was a missing horse in these parts some years back, and the AC involved told the owners that the horse was being held in a shed with goats.

The horse in question was lying dead in an old cellar hole about 1000’ from the barn it had gotten out of during the night…

[Countrywood]

NH is a sort of giant form of AC…but at least it makes sense, it’s reading horses body language and extrapolation herd behavior/interaction between horses into interaction between horses and humans. Good all around horseman observe much the same and all it takes is stand at pastures and watch how horses interact and study it.

We don’t need AC to understand horses, they need AC to understand us. Often our body language and cues are not clear and they don’t know what the heck we want . But rather than work on their own skills or analyze a lack of stable management, people hire an AC to find out what the horse’s “problem” is. The problem much of the time turns out to be us.

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8393671]
NH is a sort of giant form of AC…but at least it makes sense, it’s reading horses body language and extrapolation herd behavior/interaction between horses into interaction between horses and humans. Good all around horseman observe much the same and all it takes is stand at pastures and watch how horses interact and study it.

We don’t need AC to understand horses, they need AC to understand us. Often our body language and cues are not clear and they don’t know what the heck we want . But rather than work on their own skills or analyze a lack of stable management, people hire an AC to find out what the horse’s “problem” is. The problem much of the time turns out to be us.[/QUOTE]

Very perceptive. Very labor intensive. So much easier to pick up the phone, pay a fee, and get an “answer.”

It’s been my experience that well over 90% of the problems people have with horses are not “horse problems” but “people problems.” Or, as once put by Pogo, “We have met the enemy, and it is us.”

G.

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=crimsonsky;8393479]
pretty sure i didn’t give an example that included active participation and feedback in the way you are describing it. however, it comes down to the $20 i spent having an AC “talk” to my mare was worth it to me. that’s all that really matters.[/QUOTE]

If you responded to any comment or any question the AC asked about what the horse was “communicating” you were participating and giving feedback. Did you standby saying nothing? Not reacting to anything the AC said the horse “communicated?” Do you genuinely believe that fraud John Edwards communicate with the dead? As I said, I want to see an AC “communicate” with my horse without my pointing out which horse it is and with me nowhere in sight while the AC “communicates.”

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=crimsonsky;8393479]
pretty sure i didn’t give an example that included active participation and feedback in the way you are describing it. however, it comes down to the $20 i spent having an AC “talk” to my mare was worth it to me. that’s all that really matters.[/QUOTE]

If you responded to any comment or any question the AC asked about what the horse was “communicating” you were participating and giving feedback. Did you standby saying nothing? Not reacting to anything the AC said the horse “communicated?” Do you genuinely believe that fraud John Edwards communicate with the dead? As I said, I want to see an AC “communicate” with my horse without my pointing out which horse it is and with me nowhere in sight while the AC “communicates.”

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=crimsonsky;8393479]
pretty sure i didn’t give an example that included active participation and feedback in the way you are describing it. however, it comes down to the $20 i spent having an AC “talk” to my mare was worth it to me. that’s all that really matters.[/QUOTE]

Unless you stood there/sat on the phone mute and gave no responses to the AC’s comments, you provided feedback, either verbally or by your expression. If you validate one (generic) comment, a skilled person can extrapolate from that. Do you believe John Edwards actually communicates with the dead? I’m still waiting for an AC to “communicate” with a horse with no more knowledge than, “My horse is out in the barn (among several other horses), find it and communicate with it while I wait in the house.”

Of course, you are free to throw away $20 for imagined communication. It’s your money. Now I will say this: As Guillerme has commented, there ARE people who do have a particular empathy and ability to read equine body language - but that is NOT psychic communication, but might be worth paying for if you feel you don’t understand your own horse.

Just one further comment. Years ago, met a friend of a friend. Nice lady, rode a little, not particularly skilled but not awful. Years later, suddenly she’ s an “animal communicator” operating over the phone. Strangely, she never realized she had this ability (despite riding and having many horsey friends) UNTIL she got divorced and lost her job and needed a way to make a living. Just sayin’…

[TBROCKS]

[QUOTE=JustTheTicket;8393383]
I find it bizarre that people think animals are some mentally higher being who can communicate telepathically. They don’t do that, with each other or with humans. It’s all body language and noises, just like humans use body language and words. A horse hasn’t been to medical school, so it can’t tell you in any way what it’s injury may be. If you pay any attention to your animal at all, you can figure out where it hurts just as well as a psychic.

If you want to get an AC, do it. It’s your money and if that how you want to spend it, fine. I think it’s fine for a laugh, or just to see if they can get a nugget of something interesting, but I certainly wouldn’t take it seriously.[/QUOTE]

Is it a cool feeling to be so certain about things that one really can’t be certain of at all?

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=TBROCKS;8394303]
Is it a cool feeling to be so certain about things that one really can’t be certain of at all?[/QUOTE]

Yes, pretty much.

G.

[SillyHorse]

:rolleyes:

[Lady_Eboshi]

Would one of the folks here who believe horses “communicate” telepathically with strangers over the phone kindly explain to me why, if the horse has that power, why he wouldn’t “communicate” with YOU, standing right there in front of him with the power to fix what’s bothering him?

I mean really, what “powers” have these AC’s got that YOU haven’t got? :winkgrin:

[Sandy_M]

Sorry about duplicative posts - computer acting weird.

[SillyHorse]

[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;8394475]
Would one of the folks here who believe horses “communicate” telepathically with strangers over the phone kindly explain to me why, if the horse has that power, why he wouldn’t “communicate” with YOU, standing right there in front of him with the power to fix what’s bothering him?

I mean really, what “powers” have these AC’s got that YOU haven’t got? :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]
Why do you assume that everyone’s brains work the same? I mean really, do you understand quantum physics? I don’t. But I don’t dismiss that other people do.