Animal Communicator, Lidia Hiby

[Belmont]

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8392034]
Why does questioning the validity of AC make someone awful? Supporting an AC makes someone not awful?[/QUOTE]

Attacking these threads CONSTANTLY and the people that make them is awful. The way some of you stomp on other peoples positive experiences are awful. Just leave the people that want to believe in AC and other “supernatural” things alone.

Not everyone that questions AC does it in an awful way, which is why I said some. It’s always the same people on EVERY thread.

ETA: Everyone goes to AC’s for different reasons. Sometimes it’s a last resort, sometimes it’s to cope with loss, and sometimes it’s for fun. Who are you to judge WHY someone does it? Again, if you don’t like it or believe, who asked you? If I recall, OP asked specifically about one person that she wanted to use, NOT if you believe in AC or not.

[bathsheba8542]

Sharing a weird story … the only one I have with an AC. We had a border collie that truly was fighting the demons in his head. We had him for 3 years, worked with professionals from all aspects, including trainers and behaviorists, tried medications, etc. and he went from a happy dog to a very stressed/sad one over time (yes, he had a job and he worked every day).

I spoke to two different ACs, including one who rehabilitates border collies (largest rescue in the country). I gave her no information. She may have offered the kind of information you would expect from someone who knew border collies, but she also said she had never recommended euthanasia before, and in this case she felt he was so unhappy it was the kindest thing to do (lots more details, but you don’t need to hear them all).

I made the appointment for euthanasia a week later. Over the next few days, the dog cheered up. He started smiling again … he was engaged … he was happy. The day before the appointment, I decided to cancel it because he had - for whatever reason - turned a corner. The next morning, he jumped out the third story window, severely injured himself and was euthanized. Mock me and the story if you want to, but it really seemed that he was happy he was leaving this earthly plane and when that was taken from him, he took things into his own hands (paws).

It was so sad and so weird.

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[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8392034]
Why does questioning the validity of AC make someone awful? Supporting an AC makes someone not awful?[/QUOTE]

Because the advocates are without the ability to defend any objective analysis of their claims so they vilify those would dispute them. By shifting the discussion to the beliefs of the critic they no longer have to suffer critical examination of their own.

Put another way, it’s what lawyers do when they say, “if you have the facts, pound the facts; if you have the law, pound the law; if you have neither, pound the table.”

Lots of “table pounding,” here.

G.

[Lady_Eboshi]

All of us have a right to question any modality of training, teaching, or animal husbandry on its merits, and denounce it if there is no demonstration of its effectiveness in evidence.

What you “believe,” what makes you “feel better,” whatever fantasy balms your emotional issues is a very different question from what is BEST FOR THE HORSE.

The horse in the OP had a series of undiagnosed lamenesses preventing normal use and enjoyment; the local vet had run out of answers. I stand by my opinion that a workup at a university vet hospital would serve that animal far better than spending money on someone who thinks a horse they’ve never clapped eyes on can tell her what’s wrong over the phone!

I’m into helping HORSES; the bats in human belfreys are another profession entirely.

[Kwill]

Good point; this was about consulting an AC about a lameness issue, not about having a lark and hearing what a horse had to say for himself.

In this particular case, I agree, waste of money. But I think I have made myself clear on that! People can’t reliably diagnose their own illnesses or problems, I wouldn’t think an animal could do much better.

[SendenHorse]

If you read my posts I use the ac as a spiritual teacher, never ever in place of a vet. Ever.
I’ve spent 10k in one month on a horses’ vet bills, an extra $40 for an AC to get an impression from the horses’ POV isn’t going to be a bad thing ??.
Yes, there are times intuition can provide valuable info that diagnostics can’t.
To each their own.

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=Kwill;8392136]
Good point; this was about consulting an AC about a lameness issue, not about having a lark and hearing what a horse had to say for himself.

In this particular case, I agree, waste of money. But I think I have made myself clear on that! People can’t reliably diagnose their own illnesses or problems, I wouldn’t think an animal could do much better.[/QUOTE]

I concur that individuals are poor at self-diagnosis. I’m married to an M.D. She actually does pretty good, but sometimes she doesn’t. That’s why she has a primary care physician.

A person can, however, accurately describe symptoms under most conditions. This leads to use of the following system:

Subjective (what the patient says)
Objective (what the physical exam shows)
Assement (evaluating the above and applying the clinician’s training and experience.
Plan (what does the husbandryman do going forward)

Medicine (veterinary or human) is not a science; it’s an art based upon science. There is room for lots of input in the Analysis part but not much in the Subjective and Objective part. And the Plan part is monitored so that improvement, or its lack, is clearly noted. If the Plan is working, stay the course. If not, find a different course.

I would strongly disagree with the idea that there is room in this process for “spiritual guidance” or “entertainment.”

G.

[Kwill]

Someone here suggested a horse diagnosed himself with pneumonia. I know people that had no idea they had pneumonia, and ended up in the hospital. So the idea that an animal could be that specific (“I have fluid on my lungs”) is a little strange. “It hurts when I breathe,” at least, would be more reasonable.

I am not arguing that medicine is an art, but I think we are going too far afield now. My point is, that a horse will be no better than a person in diagnosing an illness and communicating it to the AC, but if this phenomenon actually exists, then we are making a point for the advocates since the horse’s subjective thoughts can help with the physical exam and assessment, right?

[JGHIRETIRE]

[QUOTE=bathsheba8542;8392041]
Sharing a weird story … the only one I have with an AC. We had a border collie that truly was fighting the demons in his head. We had him for 3 years, worked with professionals from all aspects, including trainers and behaviorists, tried medications, etc. and he went from a happy dog to a very stressed/sad one over time (yes, he had a job and he worked every day).

I spoke to two different ACs, including one who rehabilitates border collies (largest rescue in the country). I gave her no information. She may have offered the kind of information you would expect from someone who knew border collies, but she also said she had never recommended euthanasia before, and in this case she felt he was so unhappy it was the kindest thing to do (lots more details, but you don’t need to hear them all).

I made the appointment for euthanasia a week later. Over the next few days, the dog cheered up. He started smiling again … he was engaged … he was happy. The day before the appointment, I decided to cancel it because he had - for whatever reason - turned a corner. The next morning, he jumped out the third story window, severely injured himself and was euthanized. Mock me and the story if you want to, but it really seemed that he was happy he was leaving this earthly plane and when that was taken from him, he took things into his own hands (paws).

It was so sad and so weird.

: ([/QUOTE]

WOW that’s an interesting one. Rarely should you hear an AC recommend euthanasia.

[Lady_Eboshi]

How could a horse even understand that “fluid on the lungs” was causing his discomfort? Before the time of x-rays, most people didn’t realize that! Heat, cold, fear, pain, hunger, even separation anxiety, we all acknowledge a horse perceives. Internal causal anatomical pathology? Come ON!

Our educational system is truly failing if people find things like this believable.

[JGHIRETIRE]

[QUOTE=Guilherme;8392048]
Because the advocates are without the ability to defend any objective analysis of their claims so they vilify those would dispute them. By shifting the discussion to the beliefs of the critic they no longer have to suffer critical examination of their own.

Put another way, it’s what lawyers do when they say, “if you have the facts, pound the facts; if you have the law, pound the law; if you have neither, pound the table.”

Lots of “table pounding,” here.

G.[/QUOTE]

I honest to God don’t know why you give a crap.

[JGHIRETIRE]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8392152]
If you read my posts I use the ac as a spiritual teacher, never ever in place of a vet. Ever.
I’ve spent 10k in one month on a horses’ vet bills, an extra $40 for an AC to get an impression from the horses’ POV isn’t going to be a bad thing ??.
Yes, there are times intuition can provide valuable info that diagnostics can’t.
To each their own.[/QUOTE]

Any good AC will tell you to use a vet as well. A good AC should willingly work with the vet.

[Abbie.S]

[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;8392253]
I honest to God don’t know why you give a crap.[/QUOTE]

I don’t have enough eyeroll emoticons for some of the responses in this thread. (Not directed at you, JGH)

But I guess some folks A) don’t have enough to do, and B) are way too caught in up in their own self-righteous doctrine. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Newsflash, no one cares what you think. You’re preaching to a crowd that left the building a while ago. You’re not changing anyone’s mind. Please, go tend to your horses and let folks make up their own minds as to how to spend their money.

[SendenHorse]

[QUOTE=Kwill;8392166]
Someone here suggested a horse diagnosed himself with pneumonia. I know people that had no idea they had pneumonia, and ended up in the hospital. So the idea that an animal could be that specific (“I have fluid on my lungs”) is a little strange. “It hurts when I breathe,” at least, would be more reasonable.

I am not arguing that medicine is an art, but I think we are going too far afield now. My point is, that a horse will be no better than a person in diagnosing an illness and communicating it to the AC, but if this phenomenon actually exists, then we are making a point for the advocates since the horse’s subjective thoughts can help with the physical exam and assessment, right?[/QUOTE]

The word Pneumonia may be what the AC is drawing off the horses’ communication. Remember that horses’ don’t talk like people talk.

Depending on how the AC works, they may receive a sensation in the chest, image, or impression. Many times I have had to come to a conclusion based on what I think my intuition is telling me.

Horses don’t always tell you if it hurts, they may feel something else is more important.

When I have received words direct from the horse it’s usually one or two work phrases that convey the message. It’s been a bit odd- those words are not what humans would use to describe that situation, but I can usually understand why the horse use that term.

I don’t want to say specifics, since people will just tear them apart.

I would never tell a vet “my horse has pneumonia since he told me” but I would have a discussion about the lungs in general and see if they come up with anything.

[Kwill]

I think open discussions are always important, because the people who are posting are not the only people who are reading. How can you make up your own mind if you don’t get more than one point of view?

I went to a ghost hunter society meeting once. I was still at, “do ghosts even exist?” and they were at “how do we bug the ghosts and taunt them so they will come out and talk to us.” Ghosts were real and quantifiable to them. I kinda think teasing whatever it is so you can say you saw one was a little questionable, but my point here is that when you believe in animal communication, you are way beyond “does it exist” and are more into how to use it and what might be gained from it (and apparently who actually does it and who is a fake).

[microbovine]

I see these folks as clever observers of humans and snake oil salespeople. However, if you want a nice story about your pet, or hear how happy your animal is with you and that you just the best owner ever. If that floats your boat, go for it.

However, the minute you bring an animal ‘communicator’ person in to help you diagnose your horse, I think you have crossed a line. No matter how much you say that what they tell you is secondary to your vet’s opinion, they are, in fact, coloring your view and changing your approach to your horse’s health. I am shocked that these people would have the nerve to take money to ‘diagnose’ based on their supposed visions/conversations/aura reading/whatever. Please tell me that no one calls up a phone psychic when they have an illness.

I went to a fundraiser for the local SPCA and a supposed animal communicator was doing readings to those of us trying to peacefully enjoy the shade. People would raise their hands and ask various questions. One lady gushed after being told how happy her doggie was with her. Another lady asked about how her dog liked his new home. The AC closed her eyes, held her hands to her head and told us she was getting a reading. The dog, meanwhile, was oblivious to her presence. In fact, he was busy licking his nether regoins while the communicator was sharing his, rather profound, thoughts about his happiness with his new enivornment (do dogs do their best thinking while cleaning their groin?). I was less than impressed. Before you say it was just that AC, she was very popular and on tv, I think.

[Thylacine]

maybe a communicator could explain the word/concept, Extinct, to me???

[SMF11]

[QUOTE=Abbie.S;8392307]
I don’t have enough eyeroll emoticons for some of the responses in this thread. (Not directed at you, JGH)

But I guess some folks A) don’t have enough to do, and B) are way too caught in up in their own self-righteous doctrine. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Newsflash, no one cares what you think. You’re preaching to a crowd that left the building a while ago. You’re not changing anyone’s mind. Please, go tend to your horses and let folks make up their own minds as to how to spend their money.[/QUOTE]

Well this thread has moved me from the “it’s fun” camp to the “it’s nonsense” one. There have been 3 animal communicators used at my barn and all 3 were either off base or completely wrong. The latest was visiting my barn yesterday. When ALL the animal communicators I experienced were off, I guess it isn’t much fun either!

[SillyHorse]

[QUOTE=SMF11;8392867]
Well this thread has moved me from the “it’s fun” camp to the “it’s nonsense” one. There have been 3 animal communicators used at my barn and all 3 were either off base or completely wrong. The latest was visiting my barn yesterday. When ALL the animal communicators I experienced were off, I guess it isn’t much fun either![/QUOTE]
We read and hear all the time stories about people who go from doctor to doctor to doctor, never getting a correct diagnosis. Does that mean that all doctors are snake oil salespeople and scam artists?

[arlosmine]

I’m reluctant to do this, but I’m going to share this because it’s not second hand, about some ones else’s experience. It’s my own…I’m not really comfortable with it, I don’t know how it happened, I don’t know how to repeat it, and it makes me nervous to really try to figure out

I’ve had three experiences which could come under the title of “AC”. I will be brief and recount one of them:

I’m a teenager alone in a peaceful barn at dusk, sitting on the aisle floor. A boarder’s dog comes trotting through, stops for a pet and stares at me. I get pictures:
A HUGE overstuffed pink couch. I mean big: puffy, soft like a cloud, light pink.
Then…image number two is a huge clump of rough grass like pampas grass with a big metal pillar coming out of the middle of it.
I was in a very quiet state of enjoying the crickets and warm summer evening, and when I was petting this dog I “saw” these two things…and a sew seconds after I got weirded out.

I asked the owner about the two " pictures", and she said that Winnie slept on a big pink couch on the front enclosed porch (I had never been to the house), and that every morning when they let him out, he’d run to the back yard to pee on the metal base of the old-fashioned whirligig clothes drying thingy. This dog was tiny…so the things I “saw” were huge compared to him, and I experienced them from his little perspective, not mine. He didn’t show me the top of the metal pillar, he may never have looked up to notice the top, or maybe it just wasn’t the important part to him? The interesting thing was the perspective. Everything was GIGANTIC because he was a little Jack Terrier.
Apparently, he was showing me things that were important to HIM, I guess how he started his day? While the images seemed really random to me, they were things that were important to him.

I am extremely grateful that the dog’s owner didn’t freak out and belittle me…I was already pretty freaked out myself.
So…I think it’s possible to communicate with animals via images, but i have no idea how it works. I don’t know if it’s something like a frequency that you can practice tapping into. I don’t know how you’d avoid the chatter of all the other critters once you’ve tuned in. I haven’t pursued it baca use it gave sort of me the creeps, but it did happen. I can also see how some one doing it for money could “fake it” if they were having an off day, not receiving anything or the animal wasn’t engaging with them.

But…this thing happened to me, and another two experiences (one with a bird, one with a horse) have also happened TO ME. I don’t have any answers, but I know that these unexplainable things did happen because I experienced them personally. I have no reason to make this up, particularly because I’ll probably be flamed…but it seemed like I should share it here for perspective.