Animal Communicator, Lidia Hiby

[QUOTE=Minerva;8402081]
No, because farriers are producing physical proof of their skill, or lack thereof, in their work. You can see for yourself whether they are good or not based upon what they produce, as long as you have a basic understanding of the hoof.

If farriers worked by squinting really hard at your horse’s feet and then telling you that they have telekinetically manipulated its legs in order to have perfect balance so that they wear perfectly on their own, and then your horse develops long toes and cracks, sure. But I haven’t heard of any farriers that work that way yet.[/QUOTE]

Then I would be interested to hear your response to this quote from Anne Kurskinski, five-time Olympian and winner of two silver medals in show jumping: “First: She just does what everybody else does—except she does it better. She works with the best vets, the best farriers, the best animal communicators.”

Clearly Anne thinks her animal communicator is an integral part of her horse wellness team, and lists them right next to vet and farrier. I think we can all agree that Anne is an accomplished horseperson, and not some silly horse owner who “sees unicorns.”

Here is a link to the article from which I got the quote: http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/chapter-18-revealing-anne-kursinskis-secrets

Many professional athletes have “quirks.” People in high risk professions often have small “superstitions” that they incorporate into their training and operations. That doesn’t make them “real,” it just makes them a comfort to the professional.

Back in my youth when I rolled onto the ball prior to a carrier landing I’d say, “Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.” Under my breath, but I’d say it. Why? It made me feel better and helped my concentration. Did any member of the Holy Family ever keep me from getting killed? No; I never screwed up a landing that bad. But I did it.

So that some other professional also does it means precisely nothing on the question of validity.

G.

[QUOTE=Guilherme;8402355]
Many professional athletes have “quirks.” People in high risk professions often have small “superstitions” that they incorporate into their training and operations. That doesn’t make them “real,” it just makes them a comfort to the professional.

Back in my youth when I rolled onto the ball prior to a carrier landing I’d say, “Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.” Under my breath, but I’d say it. Why? It made me feel better and helped my concentration. Did any member of the Holy Family ever keep me from getting killed? No; I never screwed up a landing that bad. But I did it.

So that some other professional also does it means precisely nothing on the question of validity.

G.[/QUOTE]

Did some also carry a rabbit’s foot?

It is supposed to bring luck for the one with it, didn’t to the rabbit.

[QUOTE=Bluey;8402363]
Did some also carry a rabbit’s foot?

It is supposed to bring luck for the one with it, didn’t to the rabbit.[/QUOTE]

I had a “lucky green scarf” that I wore whenever we flew over water in the winter. It worked, too; I never ditched in winter water!!! :slight_smile:

G.

[QUOTE=Guilherme;8402405]
I had a “lucky green scarf” that I wore whenever we flew over water in the winter. It worked, too; I never ditched in winter water!!! :slight_smile:

G.[/QUOTE]

You can’t believe what all people at the race track believe.

It is human nature to find or if not make patterns out of our realities, even if some don’t make sense when examined.

Familiarity breeds comfort when it comes to rituals.

Trouble starts when people believe the stories they tell themselves about those rituals and how that builds up in real life.

Horses speak to me all the time, just not thru supernatural powers no one has proven exist.

[QUOTE=Minerva;8402081]
No, because farriers are producing physical proof of their skill, or lack thereof, in their work. You can see for yourself whether they are good or not based upon what they produce, as long as you have a basic understanding of the hoof.

:[/QUOTE]

YES! that is what I HAVE BEEN DOING HERE, isn’t it?

i have had what ACs say corroborated by outside people who didn’t know about the ACs work.

No one should trust an AC outright. You can tell in 5 mins who is a quack, really. we aren’t stupid.

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8402441]
YES! that is what I HAVE BEEN DOING HERE, isn’t it?

i have had what ACs say corroborated by outside people who didn’t know about the ACs work.

No one should trust an AC outright. You can tell in 5 mins who is a quack, really. we aren’t stupid.[/QUOTE]

“First person” evidence is of deep suspicion. “Eye witness accounts” are often very wrong.

We need more than “it worked for me” to establish fact.

G.

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8402441]
YES! that is what I HAVE BEEN DOING HERE, isn’t it?

i have had what ACs say corroborated by outside people who didn’t know about the ACs work.

No one should trust an AC outright. You can tell in 5 mins who is a quack, really. we aren’t stupid.[/QUOTE]

“Even a broken clock is right twice a day”.

I just want to say when ppl start trotting out quantum mechanics to support chicanery and folderol it’s a strong indicator they 1) know zero about frosh chem 101 (and that chapter on quantum mechanics) and 2) they forgot 8th grade science where the scientific method was fairly rigorously explained.

I won’t say we know it all in the science world, but to the OP: hiring a con artist to dx a horse for illness or lameness is tantamount to animal abuse.

Personally I know there are connections we make in our minds and between minds, but it doesn’t replace a doctor when someone is ill.

Also, animals have strong nonverbal communication skills, duh, right? They didn’t evolve speech.
Humans, alternately, did and we miss a metric sh!t tonne of information because of it.
It we stop behaving like the deaf/blind animals we are (in comparison to animals other than us), we might observe more, hear better, and not need “communicators” who for some reason are able to “see” and “hear” from thousands of miles away.

Humans love anecdotal information. They seem, we seem, to be unable to grasp hard science and statistics in a meaningful way. Example: lotto. Long, long, long odds. To the point of being fruitless, yet people play. Vaccines: anecdoteal accounts of autism and people open the door for diseases that kill children instead of vaccinating.
The list is endless, well rife is the word that comes to mind. From online scammers to “As Seen On TV”, people find reasons to believe in nonsense.

When people get shilled to get suspect information from an animal that doesn’t articulate the way a human does ( they say a picture is worth a thousand words, well ever see a mare lift a nostril, flick her ear back and swing her head? Probably an encyclopedia, but humans grasp a miniscule portion).

Now before someone takes umbrage and says “wut about gawd”, that is a personal belief system that has its ups and downs. I mean really, shall we deconstruct levels of belief to even contemplate who is right or wrong? Because there are those whose belief isn’t enough or correct, or properly expressed, so equating a personal philosophy is very inappropriate. In fact it’s downright foolish. Good scientists hold a variety of faiths, but that doesn’t/shouldn’t cloud judgement. Bringing it up just muddles your own argument.

Yes, I concur there is a lot we still don’t know. Horses are emotionally expressive animals and we take their tractability and remove them from what they evolved to rely upon as well as wholy understand. I would rather spend time watching and understanding my horse than call an “intuitive” across country who is probably doing as much guessing as anything else.

The worst part, is that posters here behave like these charletons are moving neuroscience forward. Grasping at oddball/obscure research is not strengthening your case. Calling Dr. Venkman.

[QUOTE=Haybert;8402479]
I just want to say when ppl start trotting out quantum mechanics to support chicanery and folderol it’s a strong indicator they 1) know zero about frosh chem 101 (and that chapter on quantum mechanics) and 2) they forgot 8th grade science where the scientific method was fairly rigorously explained.

I won’t say we know it all in the science world, but to the OP: hiring a con artist to dx a horse for illness or lameness is tantamount to animal abuse.

Personally I know there are connections we make in our minds and between minds, but it doesn’t replace a doctor when someone is ill.

Also, animals have strong nonverbal communication skills, duh, right? They didn’t evolve speech.
Humans, alternately, did and we miss a metric sh!t tonne of information because of it.
It we stop behaving like the deaf/blind animals we are (in comparison to animals other than us), we might observe more, hear better, and not need “communicators” who for some reason are able to “see” and “hear” from thousands of miles away.

Humans love anecdotal information. They seem, we seem, to be unable to grasp hard science and statistics in a meaningful way. Example: lotto. Long, long, long odds. To the point of being fruitless, yet people play. Vaccines: anecdoteal accounts of autism and people open the door for diseases that kill children instead of vaccinating.
The list is endless, well rife is the word that comes to mind. From online scammers to “As Seen On TV”, people find reasons to believe in nonsense.

When people get shilled to get suspect information from an animal that doesn’t articulate the way a human does ( they say a picture is worth a thousand words, well ever see a mare lift a nostril, flick her ear back and swing her head? Probably an encyclopedia, but humans grasp a miniscule portion).

Now before someone takes umbrage and says “wut about gawd”, that is a personal belief system that has its ups and downs. I mean really, shall we deconstruct levels of belief to even contemplate who is right or wrong? Because there are those whose belief isn’t enough or correct, or properly expressed, so equating a personal philosophy is very inappropriate. In fact it’s downright foolish. Good scientists hold a variety of faiths, but that doesn’t/shouldn’t cloud judgement. Bringing it up just muddles your own argument.

Yes, I concur there is a lot we still don’t know. Horses are emotionally expressive animals and we take their tractability and remove them from what they evolved to rely upon as well as wholy understand. I would rather spend time watching and understanding my horse than call an “intuitive” across country who is probably doing as much guessing as anything else.

The worst part, is that posters here behave like these charletons are moving neuroscience forward. Grasping at oddball/obscure research is not strengthening your case. Calling Dr. Venkman.[/QUOTE]

Intuition is a process that gives us the ability to know something directly without analytic reasoning, bridging the gap between the conscious and nonconscious parts of our mind, and also between instinct and reason.

In essence, we need both instinct and reason to make the best possible decisions for ourselves, our businesses, and our families.

The word “intuition” comes from Latin verb intueri translated as consider or from late middle English word intuit, "to contemplate".[3] Intuition is often interpreted with varied meaning from intuition being glimpses of greater knowledge[4] to only a function of mind; however, processes by which and why they happen typically remain mostly unknown to the thinker, as opposed to the view of rational thinking.


In order to make our best decisions, we need a balance of intuition – which serves to bridge the gap between instinct and reasoning – and rational thinking, according to Francis Cholle, author of The Intuitive Compass. But the cultural bias against following one’s instinct or intuition often leads to disregarding our hunches – to our own detriment. (Huff Post)


So this isn’t just about emotions. Emotions are dynamic, this is more of a spiritual/soul level thing that doesn’t waver based on circumstances.

Emotions can be read as part of the deal, yes, but they don’t drive the ship. Just as physical aspects can be read too…

The best way it is described is SOUL READING. It doesn’t have to be connected to God, unless you want it to be.

Or if you are not a believer in that, it can just be more of a snapshot of physical and mental aspects-- leave the soul part out of it-- but that is how the foundation works.

WHAT IS ANIMAL COMMUNICATION?

Communicating intuitively with animals means mentally sending and receiving thoughts, images, and emotions. In this kind of communication you do not read body language or make guesses based on behavior. Most animal communicators work from a distance using just a description and do not even see a picture of the animal.

Animals are masters at intuitive communication. They talk to each other intuitively and are able to intuitively ‘sense’ people and the environment very well. (Take heed if your otherwise pleasant dog suddenly displays an intense dislike for a stranger.) In humans, on the other hand, intuitive ability has been suppressed and repressed by our modern cultures. We still use it - for example, to scope out a strange person or new situation - but our intuition is usually unconscious and uncontrolled.

Intuition is not gift possessed by a few special people. Everyone is intuitive and can learn to communicate intuitively. If you love animals, then on some level you are already doing this. With study and practice you can learn to do it very well.

The idea of intuitive communication with animals and nature challenges long-held beliefs, like the beliefs that other species are inferior to humans intellectually and do not have the emotional or spiritual capacity humans do. In my work I have come to see these beliefs as untrue and now identify them as some of the root causes for the ecological imbalances and crises we are now facing.

Intuition in Everyday Life

Even though most people don’t believe they have intuitive abilities, we actually use these abilities every day. See if any of the following situations seem familiar to you:

Knowing how someone is feeling emotionally or physically (even if you are not with the person).
Realizing that someone is angry or upset even if there is no outward sign.
Knowing who’s on the phone before you pick it up.
Recognizing when someone is lying to you or trying to manipulate you.
Thinking about someone and then getting a visit, card or call from that person.
Knowing how someone else feels about you (even if they have given no outward sign).
Suddenly feeling an unexplainable dislike or uncertainty about someone or something. (This is your intuition telling you to watch out.)
Whenever you say, “I have a hunch…” you’re really saying that you’re getting an intuitive impression about something. You’re making a guess based on little or no data by relying on your intuition. Just about everyone has had an experience (or knows of a friend’s experience) that can only be attributed to intuitive ability. You may also have found that when you follow your intuition things usually work out better.

How Intuitive Communication Works

To communicate intuitively you use your intuition to connect with another being, sending and receiving information mentally in one of these four main ways:

Sending and Receiving Feelings
You can send a feeling to an animal by experiencing the feeling and then imagining that the feeling is traveling (whatever distance) to the animal. When you receive a feeling intuitively, you get a sense of the emotions an animal is experiencing. For example, once I was talking intuitively with a horse and suddenly felt overcome by grief. It turned out the horse was missing his previous owner and was very unhappy in his current situation. All I knew was that it wasn’t me, because I had been feeling fine before I sat down to talk to him. This ability to feel the feelings of another is called clairsentience (clear feeling) and also empathy.

Using your intuition you can also feel or sense the physical feelings that an animal is experiencing; you can tell if the animal is in pain and where the pain is. When you practice this you can get more specific information, like the quality and duration of the pain. You can even get impressions about the state of an animal’s health - all of which can be helpful data for the animal’s health-care professionals. This type of ability is known as medical intuition. It is NOT diagnosis, and the accuracy of these impressions can only be verified by a health-care professional.

Communicating Mind-to-Mind
In intuitive communication you can send and receive thoughts mentally. This ability is called mental telepathy or clairaudience (clear hearing). When doing this, you actually hear words and phrases mentally. In a consultation I had with a horse long distance, I recall distinctly hearing the horse say, very emphatically, that his rib was out-of-place on the left side of his body. I was talking to him from California and he was in Wisconsin. Later that day, the horse was seen by a chiropractor who confirmed that the horse had the fourth rib out on the left side.

Receiving Visual Images
Using your intuition you can send a visual image to an animal and you can actually mentally see a picture sent to you by an animal. This ability is called clairvoyance (clear sighted) and also applies to being able to see into the future and the past. I use this ability every time I work with lost animals. I ask them to show me a picture of where they are and how they got there. From this I get specific data about direction, details of the route the animal took and what it can see now - all in pictures like a movie. For example, a cat I worked with (who was in another state) showed me his exact route, the warehouse he was in, the train tracks to the side of the warehouse and the ministorage building down the street - all details that were corroborated by his people when they found him exactly where he had shown me he was hiding. I also use this ability to find out what happened in an animal’s past. To do that I ask the animal to show me pictures of the past and past experiences.

Knowing When Something is True
The ability to know something is true without any logical reasoning or factual support (and even without knowing how or why you know) is another aspect of clairvoyance. Usually, when information comes to you this way, you feel very certain of it and no one can talk you out of it.

Contacting An Animal From A Distance

People find it hard to believe that I don’t need to see an animal in person to be able to do what I do. “How do you know you have the right black cat named Blackie?” they ask. Some day the physicists may be able to describe just how this can happen. For now there is no easy explanation, I believe that part of the key is my sincere intention to contact that very black cat named Blackie in a specific geographic location who is associated with the person who is calling me. The description, name and other identifying information about an animal functions as do the call letters of a radio station and tuning into the animal is like tuning into a radio station. When I talk to an animal, I do not need a photograph; I can work just from the name, age, sex and breed and description. To communicate with the animal I close my eyes and use the description provided to form a picture of the animal in my mind. Once I feel I have made contact, I introduce myself and begin communicating.

Skepticism is Unavoidable

For all the skeptics reading this, I can only say that, as a person trained in scientific methods, I, too, was skeptical when I began studying animal communication. At this point, however, I have worked in this field for more than a decade, testing myself for accurate results using verifiable experiments. I have proved to my own satisfaction the reality and accuracy of animal communication. I would not have been able to do that if I had not maintained an open mind and been willing to experiment.

How Can Animal Communication Help You and Your Animal?

Animal Communication can be helpful for many common problems with domestic animals of all kinds and is guaranteed to improve and deepen your relationships with animals. Here are some applications:

Solve Behavior Problems - fear, aggression, separation anxiety, unwanted behaviors
Enhance Training
Address Quality of Life Issues - find out what your animal wants and needs; improve relationships
Find Lost Animals
Get Assistance During Illness and Death
Get Help Introducing Animals to Each Other & Adopting Animals - find out about a rescued animal’s past
Intuitive communication can also be useful in making connections with wildlife, plants and other aspects of the natural world.

[QUOTE=Bluey;8402466]
“Even a broken clock is right twice a day”.[/QUOTE]

see? you are rude and shoot down everything.

You wouldn’t 'know how to act with a proper scientific study anyways…

and I’m talking about things beyond blanket color… I’d share more but you guys are rude and obnoxious so I’m not going to give you more ammo.

I never pulled out scientific studies, so don’t lump me in with everyone else. I’m purposely keeping it based on my own experiences.

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8402546]
see? you are rude and shoot down everything.

You wouldn’t 'know how to act with a proper scientific study anyways…

and I’m talking about things beyond blanket color… I’d share more but you guys are rude and obnoxious so I’m not going to give you more ammo.[/QUOTE]

Talking being rude, I didn’t call you a liar, as you did, remember?

I have worked with scientists and conducted plenty of studies for them.

I will say, it doesn’t take being a scientists or having supernatural powers to know when something is a stretch of someone’s imagination.

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[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8402546]
see? you are rude and shoot down everything.

You wouldn’t 'know how to act with a proper scientific study anyways…

and I’m talking about things beyond blanket color… I’d share more but you guys are rude and obnoxious so I’m not going to give you more ammo.[/QUOTE]

Sometimes you have to be like the umpire and call 'em like you see 'em.

This is a door that swings both ways, but in discussions is something to keep in mind.

G.

[QUOTE=Bluey;8402551]
Talking being rude, I didn’t call you a liar, as you did, remember?

I have worked with scientists and conducted plenty of studies for them.

I will say, it doesn’t take being a scientists or having supernatural powers to know when something is a stretch of someone’s imagination.[/QUOTE]

??? WTF are you taking about?

[QUOTE=Guilherme;8402559]
Sometimes you have to be like the umpire and call 'em like you see 'em.

This is a door that swings both ways, but in discussions is something to keep in mind.

G.[/QUOTE]

yeah, but you are no more of an authority on this than anyone here. I don’t claim to know everything about this subject…

but

FACTS DON’T CHANGE JUST BECAUSE YOU DON’T BELIEVE THEM.

i have facts to back up my reasons for trusting this process… it’s more than just an OPINION to me. It’s not some hippy dippy feel good thing

You seem to think I made this all up out of thin air, I haven’t. I can’t speak for other ACs or online so and so…

Nice try, but no.

You can’t tell me what happened to me didn’t happen :slight_smile: And no, I’m not talking about just something I hoped for or wished had happened.

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8402575]
yeah, but you are no more of an authority on this than anyone here. I don’t claim to know everything about this subject…

but

FACTS DON’T CHANGE JUST BECAUSE YOU DON’T BELIEVE THEM.

i have facts to back up my reasons for trusting this process… it’s more than just an OPINION to me. It’s not some hippy dippy feel good thing

You seem to think I made this all up out of thin air, I haven’t. I can’t speak for other ACs or online so and so…

Nice try, but no.

You can’t tell me what happened to me didn’t happen :slight_smile: And no, I’m not talking about just something I hoped for or wished had happened.[/QUOTE]

You’re right; they don’t. Neither do they exist until they independently verified.

G.

Um, this is really getting nasty.
It’s interesting to me that no one (and thank you for this) has crawled down my throat for my first post about the example of “whatever you want to call it” that happened to me. But it’s also interesting that it has been ignored. It is not second hand…it was my own experience, and there were two more similar.

What do I do with this information? It doesn’t fit with any science that I’m aware of. It happened to ME and I can’t ignore it. Or explain it. I have no choice but to accept that it exists without being able to prove it…the way gravity existed before I read about how it works.

If the emotionally charged element of money-taking and potential for exploitation were out of the equation, would it be so hard to entertain the notion that something we don’t “get” could indeed exist?

I know I’m being devil’s advocate here…and I don’t feel like I’ve been attacked personally (thanks again!), but it’s a little difficult for me to read all the rancor. It makes me all the more hesitant to talk about this, and this is the first time I’ve brought my own experiences into a public place (some of my friends have heard the stories).

I guess I feel the need to point out that no one has really proven that AC is impossible, so that does leave the door open for an as-yet unexplainable phenomenon to exist. I’m not trying to convince any one that it’s possible, because of it hadn’t happened to me I would be very sceptical. However, since it DID, I feel the need to chime in on this thread and advocate for retaining an open mind (and if you’d rather, a closed pocketbook). I know that my experience is anecdotal, not scientifically framed, etc…but these things happened and there is no way I can ignore them. I don’t build my life around this, but it has made me more open minded in general, for sure.

I have never used an animal communicator.
I am NOT an animal communicator myself.
However, over the decades I have received some (not very many) messages that the horse communicated straight to my mind.

First case. I added corn to my horse’s rations when the cool weather started in the autumn. One year alphatoxins (sp?) infested the local corn crop. The owner of the mill that I used told me he was ordering corn from the midwest, but that it would not come in until several weeks after I usually started to feed corn.

I started getting feelings of “where is my corn?” from my first horse when I fed. I tried (and failed) to tell the horses there was nothing I could do about it and that they would get corn later. In a week I started having these fantasies of HOW GOOD the yellow dent corn tasted and how satisfying it was to crunch on it. EVERY evening I would get this crunching on hard corn fantasy when I was in the house, far away from the horse, and never when I was feeding the horse or otherwise near him. This fantasy ended the day I finally got corn and fed it to my horses.

This horse started sending me this fantasy each fall if he thought I was not giving him corn soon enough. One fall I was extremely exhausted and crippled from my MS so he did not waste his time sending this fantasy to me, he targeted my husband who got the fantasy every day until he got corn to feed the horses, at which point the fantasy ended.

With another horse, the first time I was going to ride him my teacher was telling me his problems with riders. After a few minutes this horse looked at me head on, and in my mind I “heard”–“if you don’t hurt me I’ll be good.” I did not hurt him, and he was very, very good.

A few rides later my teacher wanted to take a newly trained horse on a trail ride with this horse as a baby sitter. As she talked about it (I was SCARED), this horse looked at me and told me “I will take care of you.” I lost my fear and we started out on the ride. After a few minutes one of the reins fell off the bit (my fault) and this horse quietly stopped on voice command and fully cooperated as I got everything back together and remounted. This particular horse was notorious for being VERY challenging to ride any time anything went wrong or his rider made a mistake, yet he kept his promises to me to be good and to take care of me when I made a stupid mistake.

I don’t care if anyone else believes me. These are the only times that I ever got “telepathic” messages from horses. The rest of the time I read their body language, no telepathy involved.

[QUOTE=arlosmine;8402628]
Um, this is really getting nasty.
It’s interesting to me that no one (and thank you for this) has crawled down my throat for my first post about the example of “whatever you want to call it” that happened to me. But it’s also interesting that it has been ignored. It is not second hand…it was my own experience, and there were two more similar.

What do I do with this information? It doesn’t fit with any science that I’m aware of. It happened to ME and I can’t ignore it. Or explain it. I have no choice but to accept that it exists without being able to prove it…the way gravity existed before I read about how it works.

If the emotionally charged element of money-taking and potential for exploitation were out of the equation, would it be so hard to entertain the notion that something we don’t “get” could indeed exist?

I know I’m being devil’s advocate here…and I don’t feel like I’ve been attacked personally (thanks again!), but it’s a little difficult for me to read all the rancor. It makes me all the more hesitant to talk about this, and this is the first time I’ve brought my own experiences into a public place (some of my friends have heard the stories).

I guess I feel the need to point out that no one has really proven that AC is impossible, so that does leave the door open for an as-yet unexplainable phenomenon to exist. I’m not trying to convince any one that it’s possible, because of it hadn’t happened to me I would be very sceptical. However, since it DID, I feel the need to chime in on this thread and advocate for retaining an open mind (and if you’d rather, a closed pocketbook). I know that my experience is anecdotal, not scientifically framed, etc…but these things happened and there is no way I can ignore them. I don’t build my life around this, but it has made me more open minded in general, for sure.[/QUOTE]

I did answer it, but maybe not the way you expected to hear?

Will repeat, all of us have to us unexplainable circumstances where we know or experience something that we think we could not possibly have known other than thru some supernatural happening.

Well, what is happening there is that we don’t have the answers, but that still doesn’t mean it is something supernatural happening there.

Just because we can’t follow cause and effect doesn’t mean we get to invent what that is.
It is not a fact until it is demonstrably a fact, not a guess.

In other words, we may say such experiences are mere cosmic coincidences, but not much else.

Now, anyone can believe whatever they want, of course.