[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8402572]
??? WTF are you taking about?[/QUOTE]
I think you were talking about the fortune telling aunt-- but my point on that post was that
just like you claim to have aunt, I have no way of knowing 100% if you do, so it’s just like the fact you didn’t believe me about what I was telling you.
I didn’t call you a liar, I was making a point
Proving a point, if you will
[QUOTE=Guilherme;8402603]
You’re right; they don’t. Neither do they exist until they independently verified.
G.[/QUOTE]
Right, that is why I independently verified the communications with sources outside the experiences.
[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8402729]
Right, that is why I independently verified the communications with sources outside the experiences.[/QUOTE]
No, you didn’t.
G.
[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8401534]
But I do have proof and validation, that satisfies my need to know if that particular person is a nutjob. (not to mention references)
Also, just because you prove person X is true, that is not going to test all the ACs out there.
So my opinion stands-- get a reading with 5 different ACs. Go in with an open mind.
See if you still think that same way after actually experiencing what you are so against. Do you own study and take accountability for things and not just expect others to do your work for you.
uphill describes perfectly why I said buyer beware. Do your homework, don’t go with some random internet AC.
Do you honestly think some of us are dumb enough to follow just anyone? Please! We are open minded but not idiots![/QUOTE]
Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. :yes:
What other people do with their money is their business, but I do hate to see people swindled when they are vulnerable, which does happen. As you admit, there are many frauds…
Those who pay for the entertainment, I would guess ,consider it “entertainment” and would not have an emotional investment in the results obtained by (and the legitimacy of) the animal communicator.
However, your suggestion that people wade through the frauds until they find a “legitimate” animal communicator is an expensive one, and who wants to give money to con-artists (which is what they would be doing until they came across a “real” animal communicator)?
Most frauds have “references” and that is one of the (many) reasons they are able to fool people.
Jackie, those sound like your own thoughts about corn, feeling a horse would take care of you etc. Something inside you made you feel those thoughts came from the horses but they sound like the kind of thoughts/feelings many of us have because they are generated from being around horses and responding to them. We can get feelings and thoughts from being around horses, but that does not mean those are literal thoughts the horse itself is having.
If I tried to listen to my gelding’s thoughts, I think it would be something like this:
Treat? Treattreattreattreattreattreat…is that mare in heat? Nah…Grain? Grainagraingraingraingrain…Oh no! saddle = work…Treat? Treattreattreattreattreattreat…
(You get the idea).
Not very profound, I’m afraid. Certainly not something I’d pay somebody to tell me.
Legitimate animal communicator? If you can use those two words in the same sentence seriously, then your mind is open that the idea is valid.
Here’s the problem I have with it.
Assuming a human being’s mind, can tap into the mind and images and feelings of another species, from a distance, with nothing to go on but a description over the phone of the animal, and the problem of the owner, (in itself, all ready biased information) we have to assume that this communicator can then translate the thoughts and feelings into human words and feelings. So now it is no longer horse, but a human interpretation of what a horse feels, or how it feels, or how it thinks. Assuming you could somehow enter the horse, how is it even possible to interpret what any of it means in the way it means to a horse? We are an entirely different species. There is no comparing the minds. Could you tell what color they see and how they respond to the color? We don’t even really know how they perceive color, for instance.
Not only would they have to be able to do this, but also tap into a horses memory of events of feelings. How the horse felt yesterday, or last week.
Something I doubt is even part of a horse’s thought process.
Here’s a simple test that would impress me.
Put one of these so called communicators behind a wall, with ear plugs and blindfold on, and a horse on the other side. Have the communicator describe which way the horse will turn next, what gait it will take, when it will poop, when it will shake off a fly, or see another horse,whinny etc, etc.
If he or she could actually tap into the mind in present time, then they would know the feelings and thoughts of the horse, and would know what it is going to do next.
They would also have to predict very specific behavior within a time frame, and not just site the normal horsey behavior that any horse owner could predict a horse would do at any given time. That would be a calculated guess.
A broken clock is correct twice day.
You know, it occurs to me that the translation idea is one of the best issues brought up here - because translating a book from one language to another is a real skill (I am sure there are book translators that read this board). Things don’t always translate well, and it’s an art to get the author’s intention with the right words from one language to another. I am not trying to bring up a hot button here, at all, but an obvious example is the Bible which has had many revisions as we understand and interpret ancient languages better. My point is, any AC is translating animal thoughts (quite foreign to ours, I am sure) to people thoughts, and it can’t always be exact – that’s assuming the skill or talent or whatever you call it exists at all. So whatever you are getting from the AC, or personally, it’s not going to be a literal translation, it’s not possible. We all have filters and personal points of view, even when communicating with other people.
Kwill, that is very interesting. Interpretation is unique to each person. People will interpret reactions in different ways, let alone thoughts. I’m thinking of other threads where someone thinks their horse is behaving a certain way for such and such reason, but others will say it is because of something else entirely.
OP, I hope you were able to wade through all posts that DID NOT PERTAIN to your post. Lots of folks posted numerous times with only their own superiority in mind, not your question.
[QUOTE=Wirt;8403535]
Legitimate animal communicator? If you can use those two words in the same sentence seriously, then your mind is open that the idea is valid.
Here’s the problem I have with it.
Assuming a human being’s mind, can tap into the mind and images and feelings of another species, from a distance, with nothing to go on but a description over the phone of the animal, and the problem of the owner, (in itself, all ready biased information) we have to assume that this communicator can then translate the thoughts and feelings into human words and feelings. So now it is no longer horse, but a human interpretation of what a horse feels, or how it feels, or how it thinks. Assuming you could somehow enter the horse, how is it even possible to interpret what any of it means in the way it means to a horse? We are an entirely different species. There is no comparing the minds. Could you tell what color they see and how they respond to the color? We don’t even really know how they perceive color, for instance.
Not only would they have to be able to do this, but also tap into a horses memory of events of feelings. How the horse felt yesterday, or last week.
Something I doubt is even part of a horse’s thought process.
Here’s a simple test that would impress me.
Put one of these so called communicators behind a wall, with ear plugs and blindfold on, and a horse on the other side. Have the communicator describe which way the horse will turn next, what gait it will take, when it will poop, when it will shake off a fly, or see another horse,whinny etc, etc.
If he or she could actually tap into the mind in present time, then they would know the feelings and thoughts of the horse, and would know what it is going to do next.
They would also have to predict very specific behavior within a time frame, and not just site the normal horsey behavior that any horse owner could predict a horse would do at any given time. That would be a calculated guess.
A broken clock is correct twice day.[/QUOTE]
ACs are not psychics. So no, this wouldn’t work.
I applaud your trying but it’s really hard to have a conversation being on such different pages. ACs could tune into that horse, yes, but it’s not like you can command it to do things like a robot. The horse talks, the AC tells the owner what they said.
I have never had any concerns of translation. Any idea that I gathered has been very clear and understandable. Horses are very to the point and it’s as complicated as human “language”
If you haven’t had any concerns with translation, perhaps you are not being introspective enough – as I said, people have enough trouble communicating with each other, in the same language (thus this thread!) and if horses are as complicated as people in their communication, as you state (this is also hard to believe, I think it’s been demonstrated they are not as intelligent as other animal species such as avians or chimpanzees), then no way there’s not translation issues! I think that’s naive. If this thing exists, it’s a complex and interesting problem, dismissing it as “clear and understandable” at all times seems to be giving this communication less respect than it deserves.
And if domesticated animals can do this, why can’t chimps and birds do it? Anyone talk to them? How about whales or octapi? These species have intelligence right up there with humans in some cases, wouldn’t they be easily able to communicate this way? Birds have genetic memories, for goodness sake, the offspring of birds remember people their parents had interactions with – its uncanny. They can solve complex problems, remember people’s faces from the past, and they certainly communicate with each other. Wouldn’t we want to be talking to them?
That brings us back to the purpose of the AC being paid to communicate – no one cares to talk to a wild crow, since they aren’t a pet, but a domestic horse, on the other hand, has something of interest to say to the owner because the owner is seeking answers. This is the crux of the problem for me, why is it so species and situationally specific?
[QUOTE=skydy;8402932]
Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. :yes:
What other people do with their money is their business, but I do hate to see people swindled when they are vulnerable, which does happen. As you admit, there are many frauds…
Those who pay for the entertainment, I would guess ,consider it “entertainment” and would not have an emotional investment in the results obtained by (and the legitimacy of) the animal communicator.
However, your suggestion that people wade through the frauds until they find a “legitimate” animal communicator is an expensive one, and who wants to give money to con-artists (which is what they would be doing until they came across a “real” animal communicator)?
Most frauds have “references” and that is one of the (many) reasons they are able to fool people.[/QUOTE]
yes, it’s expensive, but the point is to engage with it and not assume you know what the experience is like. Of course it costs a bit of time and money, but that will give you perspective.
As I said, you can obviously tell if someone is a loon, it’s not hard 
I promise. Do you think you are that gullible? I’m not.
However, will most here do that? No, because it’s easier to sit behind a screen and state your opinions and not really take action to learn and grow.
The horses want to talk, are you listening?
No, it’s not the same as reading body language or everyday interactions.
I believe we all have this gift to some degree, however, it will never show when we are in the left analytical brain.
I value the info that I received from the ACs and my own impressions. I’m disappointed that in this day of mind/body connections that people can’t embrace it more.
For being such a liberal “anything goes” place here… But it’s a hostile board to anything not set in stone, a tangent of NO RELIGION, NO GOD.
Way way more people use ACs than talk about it, TRUST ME. Its like the worlds best kept secret…
[QUOTE=Countrywood;8402978]
Jackie, those sound like your own thoughts about corn, feeling a horse would take care of you etc. Something inside you made you feel those thoughts came from the horses but they sound like the kind of thoughts/feelings many of us have because they are generated from being around horses and responding to them. We can get feelings and thoughts from being around horses, but that does not mean those are literal thoughts the horse itself is having.[/QUOTE]
With all due respect, I had owned the first horse for over twenty years before this occassion. For the first 10-15 years he was only fed sweet feed, and then I introduced corn into his ration maybe two years before. In all that time this was the ONLY direct transmition that I or my husband got, and the horse used it until the year I had to put him down. It was such a VIVID fantasy, I could feel the corn kernel shattering between my molars, and that it tasted good. I have never had strong enough teeth to shatter a kernel of flint corn between my molars, and at that time I did not think corn meal tasted that good, but here I was fantasizing about it several times a day, until the horse got his corn. Then it stopped, even when his feed was several hours late. This was the only type of experience with possible telepathy I got from this horse in the 28 years I owned him. AND he was my “heart horse”, an angel from heaven.
The other horse was a very spirited, reactive, opinionated full Arab gelding who had NO PATIENCE with riders who were not very good riders. I was starting riding independently then for the first time in years, and my body was in very bad shape from my Multiple Sclerosis, bad balance, hand tremors, I could not coordinate my aids very well, and my riding teacher yelled at me A LOT as I was regaining my riding ability (hands, legs, balance, etc…)
I worked hard at not hurting him accidentally, and I often had to drop a rein so I would not hurt his mouth due to my severe physical limitations. He never took advantage of me during the rein drops, the uncontrolable lower legs suddenly beating against his rib cage, or of my sudden losses of balance, but he took advantage of just about every other rider for lesser riding sins. He kept his promise to me. So long as I did not hurt him he was very, very, very good and he took care of me several times when he could have ditched me and run off, ignoring my “accidental aids” if they did not make sense to him.
The trail ride was just the second or third time I rode him, we had not set up true communication yet (as a rider on a riding horse), that came several months later. While I loved, loved, loved my first horse (the corn fantasy), the second horse was the best horse I’ve ever had the priviledge to ride. Thank you Glow.
These were the only times he ever made the effort to communicate with me in that way, and I rode him for over 18 months.
AND these are the only examples I can give from over 45 years of owning and/or riding horses. As I said I am not an animal communicator, though I can read their body language and movement quite well by now.
Kwill, it isn’t just domestic animals that people seek to communicate with. I met a woman that communicates with whales. Her husband is a leading authority in marine mammals and she said after several years around whales it became clear (to her) that there were times when the thoughts in her head were images sent by the whales.
I don’t know much of her story, but she truly believes that at times she has received their thoughts. And since the black hole has stronger energy than the surrounding universe, maybe it’s true that she in some way connected with the whales.
[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8403844]
ACs are not psychics. So no, this wouldn’t work.
I applaud your trying but it’s really hard to have a conversation being on such different pages. ACs could tune into that horse, yes, but it’s not like you can command it to do things like a robot. The horse talks, the AC tells the owner what they said.
I have never had any concerns of translation. Any idea that I gathered has been very clear and understandable. Horses are very to the point and it’s as complicated as human “language”[/QUOTE]
I am not talking about commanding the horse to do anything via some thought connection.
If this non physical, non verbal communication is about being able to tap into a horse and feel his thoughts, or ideas, then a “communicator”, if they can do what they say they can do, should have no problem then knowing what the thought is just before the horse turns or does something different. Surely that would be even easier than determining how they feel about a past incident, or thoughts about it’s owner or rider, which would have to based on a past memory.
A horse gets a thought before he takes action. He sees something interesting, or maybe something to eat, so then he takes action on the thought. So if they can read the horse’s thoughts, that should be easy.
[QUOTE=Gestalt;8403948]
Kwill, it isn’t just domestic animals that people seek to communicate with. I met a woman that communicates with whales. Her husband is a leading authority in marine mammals and she said after several years around whales it became clear (to her) that there were times when the thoughts in her head were images sent by the whales.
I don’t know much of her story, but she truly believes that at times she has received their thoughts. And since the black hole has stronger energy than the surrounding universe, maybe it’s true that she in some way connected with the whales. :)[/QUOTE]
And I’ve met the Little People who play pan-pipes sitting on mushrooms. When I was five I met the Tooth Fairy–after all, she left a quarter under my pillow, didn’t she? GOT to be REAL! Santa used to clean up the milk and cookes too, how much proof do you NEED! And man, the Easter Bunny knows how to get your attention on hunting those eggs around here, he fills 'em with $20 bills! :lol:
You may WELL have seen Elvis jamming with Jim Morrison in a Starbucks in Duluth–but try to replace a DVM with 'em on MY farm, we’re gonna have WORDS, trooper!
[QUOTE=Wirt;8403962]
I am not talking about commanding the horse to do anything via some thought connection.
If this non physical, non verbal communication is about being able to tap into a horse and feel his thoughts, or ideas, then a “communicator”, if they can do what they say they can do, should have no problem then knowing what the thought is just before the horse turns or does something different. Surely that would be even easier than determining how they feel about a past incident, or thoughts about it’s owner or rider, which would have to based on a past memory.
A horse gets a thought before he takes action. He sees something interesting, or maybe something to eat, so then he takes action on the thought. So if they can read the horse’s thoughts, that should be easy.[/QUOTE]
No, not exactly.
Horses communicate what is the most important message they have, not a play by play (at least based on my experience).
This isn’t really tapping into a thought stream about actions, it’s having the horse relay information.
this is on the spiritual plane-- I believe horses are more spiritual beings than humans are- they have less ego and live more in the moment.
So…here’s my takeaway so far on animal communication:
– we can all do it, not just some people that are gifted. But some people can do it better than others because they are open to it.
–The horses are talking, and we just aren’t listening, or maybe they are just talking to some people that can listen, or they just don’t talk much.
–The communication is plain, and it’s telepathic in nature, but it is not “psychic.”
– The communication comes as images or perhaps feelings, but not always, since some people report the horse “says” things to them. Maybe this is the translation part?
– It can’t be proven in a lab, mostly because the animal communicators don’t want to bother, it’s not the kind of thing that can be measured in any way, or it’s disrespectful to ask people to try to quantify it.
–The best way to measure if it works is to try out different communicators, compare notes, and see which one, if any, seems to make sense or has facts no one else could know or guess. There’s no way to verify those claims, of course, since it’s the animal telling us things we don’t know for sure are true (like he likes this rope toy, or the red blanket, or chasing squirrels).
[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8404038]
No, not exactly.
Horses communicate what is the most important message they have, not a play by play (at least based on my experience).
This isn’t really tapping into a thought stream about actions, it’s having the horse relay information.
this is on the spiritual plane-- I believe horses are more spiritual beings than humans are- they have less ego and live more in the moment.[/QUOTE]
So what is the normal answer from a AC to the owner about their horse, based on the normal questions a person ask of an AC?
They find the horse feel some kind of pain. They don’t like the guy in the cowboy hat that feeds. They tree and trash can by the corner of the pasture bothers them. Or they want the owner to approach them differently. Whatever.
This is based, you say, on a spiritual connection. You believe and accept that.
The horse that is thinking and feeling all these things, seems usually based on something that’s wrong in their life.
But it is unreasonable to you for a AC to connect with a horse when there is nothing wrong in their life. and be able to feel some mundane thing, like wanting to turn left or right, because they really enjoy that. They cannot relay that information?
Those kind of everyday emotions and thoughts must be out of reach of an AC. Otherwise, like I say, they would have no problem with my experiment.
[QUOTE=Wirt;8404132]
So what is the normal answer from a AC to the owner about their horse, based on the normal questions a person ask of an AC?
They find the horse feel some kind of pain. They don’t like the guy in the cowboy hat that feeds. They tree and trash can by the corner of the pasture bothers them. Or they want the owner to approach them differently. Whatever.
This is based, you say, on a spiritual connection. You believe and accept that.
The horse that is thinking and feeling all these things, seems usually based on something that’s wrong in their life.
But it is unreasonable to you for a AC to connect with a horse when there is nothing wrong in their life. and be able to feel some mundane thing, like wanting to turn left or right, because they really enjoy that. They cannot relay that information?
Those kind of everyday emotions and thoughts must be out of reach of an AC. Otherwise, like I say, they would have no problem with my experiment.[/QUOTE]
The horses always “talk”, about things in the daily life. They can answer questions.
It just all happens on a spiritual plane, not that it’s just talk about spiritual things.
It is not just talking about problems or what is wrong.
But it is unreasonable to you for a AC to connect with a horse when there is nothing wrong in their life. and be able to feel some mundane thing, like wanting to turn left or right, because they really enjoy that. They cannot relay that information?
Sure they can talk about that stuff…
Horses are so interesting because on one had they talk so simply, but at the same time with no ego and a lot of depth.
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