[QUOTE=Guilherme;8378170]
If these “communicators” were real they’d be multi millionaires from winning money at Belmont or Santa Anita. They aren’t.
G.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but, that would mean that the horses knew who was going to the win the race. I don’t think it works that way. 
If these “communicators” were real they’d be multi millionaires from winning money at Belmont or Santa Anita. They aren’t.
Good one!
[QUOTE=gloriginger;8378181]
Yeah but, that would mean that the horses knew who was going to the win the race. I don’t think it works that way. ;)[/QUOTE]
No, they would know who is in top shape and who isn’t; and why. Then they could bet on the fittest (mentally and physically). This doesn’t mean they’d win all the time, but they win a very large percentage of the time.
And maybe, then, we could determine if this is a two way street. If, like Dr. Doolittle, you could talk to the animals and they could talk to you maybe you could influence the outcome of a contest. Maybe have the winner do it in a walk or by nose, depending on the line. Or maybe even throw the race. I’ll bet that would send the NV Casino Regulators 'round the bend!!! 
G.
I have proposed this test to several “animal communicators” and oddly, none of them have taken me up on it (because what they are doing is cold reading):
Come to the barn where I keep my horse. My horse knows who I am, so you can go out there and “communicate” with all the horses and find out which one is mine and ask him whatever questions you need. I’ll be waiting in the house.
With no owner feedback, nor any idea of what horse (so no breed/sex/training characteristic known beforehand) - I’d like to see what they can do. But…umm…they don’t seem to want to try.
Also, I believe the James Randi Education Foundation still offers is $1 million for anyone who can prove their psychic powers in a test agreed upon by all parties and judged by neutral evaluators. No one seems to have won it yet.
And as for the “I don’t need the money” response, well, either (a) you charge for your services, or (b) you could donate the money you won to an animal charity, so…what’s holding you back from the test?
I have used the AC that Belmont used and it was worth the entertainment value.
[QUOTE=piaffeprincess;8376921]
And I know there are plenty of skeptics, she’s not looking for an opinion in that regard (tho we all are entitled to our own ideas), at $40, that’s less then the farm call for the vet, so if nothing else, it’s entertainment!! Thanks for any replies!!![/QUOTE]
Just reiterating this from the OP for those who apparently were in such a hurry to respond with their mockery and jabs that they didn’t bother to read the whole post for comprehension.
OP’s client doesn’t care what you think. :lol:
[QUOTE=Sandy M;8378294]
I have proposed this test to several “animal communicators” and oddly, none of them have taken me up on it (because what they are doing is cold reading):
Come to the barn where I keep my horse. My horse knows who I am, so you can go out there and “communicate” with all the horses and find out which one is mine and ask him whatever questions you need. I’ll be waiting in the house.
With no owner feedback, nor any idea of what horse (so no breed/sex/training characteristic known beforehand) - I’d like to see what they can do. But…umm…they don’t seem to want to try.
Also, I believe the James Randi Education Foundation still offers is $1 million for anyone who can prove their psychic powers in a test agreed upon by all parties and judged by neutral evaluators. No one seems to have won it yet.
And as for the “I don’t need the money” response, well, either (a) you charge for your services, or (b) you could donate the money you won to an animal charity, so…what’s holding you back from the test?[/QUOTE]
I love this idea. Maybe a UK-based animal communicator will give the experiment a go. Um… Probably not.
[QUOTE=Guilherme;8378170]
If these “communicators” were real they’d be multi millionaires from winning money at Belmont or Santa Anita. They aren’t.
G.[/QUOTE]
So if I ask an Olympic runner whether or not they are going to win the gold medal, they can tell me? Surely someone in Vegas is taking those bets.
I’m not sure that it’s exactly legal for anyone to accept money for medical advice.
[QUOTE=MistyBlue;8378726]
I’m not sure that it’s exactly legal for anyone to accept money for medical advice.[/QUOTE]
What?!
I have talked to her twice. Different horses, over the phone, no info other than where the horse was, the name, and basic description. Both times she told me things that were spot on.
If I was in your friends/clients shoes I’d call her. Might learn something that could take your thinking in a new direction. Maybe her horse will show Lydia an issue, maybe not. If nothing else it is an experience.
Wonder how much money I could make doing this. Seriously! 
[QUOTE=Sunflower;8378064]
I had an AC visit my horse-- for fun-- as he was coming to the barn-- and I thought oh what the heck there is nothing to lose but a relatively small sum of money and who knows, I just might learn something of interest. What I found interesting was my non-demonstrative horse’s reaction to the AC. We were stood outside of the horse’s stall door. At one point, the horse came and focused very intently on the AC, with a sort of weird unwavering look, very steady and concentrated. Then the horse walked over to me. Before the horse had walked over to me, the AC was explaining that the horse had communicated how much he liked me and his new life. OK, generic enough. But just as the AC had said that, the horse came and laid his head in my arms. He has not done this before or since. He did this AFTER the AC communicated this information-- not before. Weird timing. Make of it what you will. It does not prove that there is such a thing as what ACs claim to be doing. My horse’s behavior though was very interesting throughout-- perhaps this is anthropomorphism, but the horse did seem like he was intently focused and thinking on something, and this is not the way the horse usually interacts with people hanging around outside his stall. Usually he is making smiley faces trying to get treats. He didn’t do any of that with the AC.
The idea that animals communicate with each other via mental images as well as other ways does not strike me as particularly outlandish. That there may be some people who can pick up on this also does not strike me as outlandish.[/QUOTE]
I also paid an AC, just for fun, and had a very similar eerie observation as described above. My very interactive, in-your-pocket always looking for treats horse, suddenly grew very still and stared right at AC for a long while (several minutes).
I think that it is possible that a horse can communicate their mental images to an AC, that is there may be something more going on than just body language. The AC claims to be either summarizing or interpreting these visual images for the horse owner. The summary or interpreting could be incomplete. They do not talk to eachother, and the horse could not read a credit card number to the AC. (prior poster suggested that this would be proof. it sure would!)
Anyway, even if it is not real communication, even if she was using nothing more than her perceptions of my horse (she didn’t know him at all, other than his gender and age, and what she perceived from interacting with him over the stall door, observing the barn atmosphere and she knows I’m a rider I was wearing riding boots when we met),
I enjoyed hearing things that seemed uncannily accurate about my horse from a knowledgable and sensitive horsewoman. It was not a waste of money any more than some of the other unneeded stuff I buy for him.
[QUOTE=Texarkana;8378616]
So if I ask an Olympic runner whether or not they are going to win the gold medal, they can tell me? Surely someone in Vegas is taking those bets.[/QUOTE]
No, because any body can talk to the runner and get an answer. But what if you were ONLY one could could get the answer. That changes the things a bit, what?
Remember, too, that not only do you get the answer about one horse that horse can tell you about all the other horses. You get all the horse gossip “dirt.” That would be pure gold to the sporting man or woman!!!
G.
[QUOTE=Heinz 57;8378559]
Just reiterating this from the OP for those who apparently were in such a hurry to respond with their mockery and jabs that they didn’t bother to read the whole post for comprehension.
OP’s client doesn’t care what you think. :lol:[/QUOTE]
LOL. No, we didn’t miss it.
Here, OP’s client has already spent hundreds if not thousands in diagnostics. OP, get 3 names of ACs, don’t tell them horsie has already had an interview, and at least see if horsie can be consistent about its story.
If AC 1 says it’s LF hock, AC 2 says it’s pelvic and AC 3 says it’s spine, I suggest client beat horsie with crowbar for malingering. That oughta sort it out.
Seriously, we get it. You guys don’t like AC’s. Point made. Let it go.
[QUOTE=Guilherme;8378916]
No, because any body can talk to the runner and get an answer. But what if you were ONLY one could could get the answer. That changes the things a bit, what?
Remember, too, that not only do you get the answer about one horse that horse can tell you about all the other horses. You get all the horse gossip “dirt.” That would be pure gold to the sporting man or woman!!!
G.[/QUOTE]
No it doesn’t change things. A runner of any species doesn’t “know” if he’s going to win a race or not. Put down the Jane Smiley book.
The term is animal communicator, not animal soothsayer. You can’t make claims for or against their validity based on whether or not they are cashing tickets at the window.
[QUOTE=Texarkana;8379127]
No it doesn’t change things. A runner of any species doesn’t “know” if he’s going to win a race or not. Put down the Jane Smiley book.
The term is animal communicator, not animal soothsayer. You can’t make claims for or against their validity based on whether or not they are cashing tickets at the window.[/QUOTE]
The cash window would be an objective measurement of success. I can’t think of any others except a Randi-like objective test. No AC, EVER, has consented to such a thing.
As for “letting it go,” fraud is the enemy of everybody.
G.
[QUOTE=Coanteen;8379068]
LOL. No, we didn’t miss it.
Here, OP’s client has already spent hundreds if not thousands in diagnostics. OP, get 3 names of ACs, don’t tell them horsie has already had an interview, and at least see if horsie can be consistent about its story.
If AC 1 says it’s LF hock, AC 2 says it’s pelvic and AC 3 says it’s spine, I suggest client beat horsie with crowbar for malingering. That oughta sort it out.[/QUOTE]
Please, do tell me where the LF hock is located? :lol: seriously though, that’s not how my experience worked.
[QUOTE=Guilherme;8379133]
The cash window would be an objective measurement of success. I can’t think of any others except a Randi-like objective test. No AC, EVER, has consented to such a thing.
As for “letting it go,” fraud is the enemy of everybody.
G.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I am always amazed how science can just go out the window with these sorts of things, and it becomes magical flights of fancy. If you give it some critical thinking type thought, you might wonder how, speaking over a telephone, a person can somehow communicate psychically with an animal they have never seen, who isn’t anywhere near the animal. How would this work, exactly, in the physical universe? And of course, then there are those who talk to deceased animals, too, since it seems to make no difference whether they are alive or dead.
Pay these folks if you like, but it’s all just carnival fortune telling. For entertainment value, I suppose it’s worth it for some.
I agree as well these people shouldn’t be a substitute for a veterinarian. People can’t even tell a doctor their symptoms correctly half the time, pain is often referred, so I don’t know how an animal psychic can shed any light on the matter.
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