Animal Communicator, Lidia Hiby

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8404686]
Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t…???

How do we really know what happened? None of us were there. There are hundreds of animals, dogs, cats, pets, horses being mistreated, forgotten, and abused with in 10 miles of us.

Why do you think just these horses would be talking?

Some horses are too shut down to talk, don’t choose to. Not all horses are as open as others. Sometimes they have to feel safe in order to talk.

I can’t speak to this direct aspect but I have sensed world events before or as they happened, I just can’t always be specific. But I’m not a professional, just empathetic.

I felt really really wacked out Friday, before I found out about Paris. If you want to chalk it up to “trying to find a reason for my feelings” fine, but I can say it’s not like normal human feelings, and I’ve had this happen a couple of other times. Why didn’t human ACs know this was going to happen and stop it?

Because this isn’t linear, that’s why.

Many empaths struggle with depression, why? they do pick up on these things, just not specifics in a nice little package like you would prefer them to.[/QUOTE]

More word salad. Means nothing. All this compassion, but if you could win a $1million and relieve some of these tragedies by proving your AC abilities…no, not interested.

[skydy]

What is a “human AC”? I thought AC stood for animal communicator. Honestly, I never pay attention to this kind of thing… I have had friends with differing opinions on the various psychic stuff and we live and let live. Everyone is entitled to their opinion though, so I don’t understand the anger at those who think it is bunk.

It’s rather like religion, you have to be able to agree to disagree. When you can’t? Then you get religious fanatics who try to impose their views…

Why would an animal (and thus an animal communicator) know anything about the plans of terrorists in France?

I felt lousy the morning of 9-11 before I turned on the TV but I don’t believe that is significant in any way, shape, or form.

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=skydy;8406212]
What is a “human AC”? I thought AC stood for animal communicator. Honestly, I never pay attention to this kind of thing… I have had friends with differing opinions on the various psychic stuff and we live and let live. Everyone is entitled to their opinion though, so I don’t understand the anger at those who think it is bunk.

It’s rather like religion, you have to be able to agree to disagree. When you can’t? Then you get religious fanatics who try to impose their views…

Why would an animal (and thus an animal communicator) know anything about the plans of terrorists in France?

I felt lousy the morning of 9-11 before I turned on the TV but I don’t believe that is significant in any way, shape, or form. ;)[/QUOTE]

I’ve seen one horse ended up taking the last ride in a big truck because its owner
engaged in this sort of foolishness. I’ve got second hand reports of several others. If the advocates can be motivated by “feel good” moments then what’s appropriate for those who’ve seen tragedy?

G.

[Trail_Rider]

I have used Dana Meier too. She absolutely talked to my horse. She knew things - very, very specific things - that she couldn’t have known otherwise.

I had told her nothing about my horse - she asks that you don’t - and she told me of a past injury to my trainer that made her sit with her shoulders crooked. I asked the trainer about it and sure enough, Dana had the correct shoulder, correct injury, and correct error in sitting that it caused.

She’s good.

As with anything - you take away what you want, and leave the rest behind. Even Dana will tell you that.

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=Trail Rider;8407048]
I have used Dana Meier too. She absolutely talked to my horse. She knew things - very, very specific things - that she couldn’t have known otherwise.

I had told her nothing about my horse - she asks that you don’t - and she told me of a past injury to my trainer that made her sit with her shoulders crooked. I asked the trainer about it and sure enough, Dana had the correct shoulder, correct injury, and correct error in sitting that it caused.

She’s good.

As with anything - you take away what you want, and leave the rest behind. Even Dana will tell you that.[/QUOTE]

Really? You may not have told her anything, but did you react to what she told you? (cold reading)

And seeing someone sitting crookedly/uncomfortably,…one would need to be psychic to hazard a guess that a horse trainer might have injured their shoulder in the past?

Sorry. Not very convincing.

[SillyHorse]

@Trail Rider

I had told her nothing about my horse - she asks that you don’t - and she told me of a past injury to my trainer that made her sit with her shoulders crooked. I asked the trainer about it and sure enough, Dana had the correct shoulder, correct injury, and correct error in sitting that it caused.

@Sandy M

And seeing someone sitting crookedly/uncomfortably,…one would need to be psychic to hazard a guess that a horse trainer might have injured their shoulder in the past?

Sorry. Not very convincing.

In your haste to dismiss everything anyone writes here about their experiences with animal communicators, you seem to have somehow concluded that the communicator saw anyone sitting on the horse. That didn’t happen. Sorry, you are not very convincing.

Come to think of it, you and the other naysayers must have psychic powers of your own, since you claim to know exactly what went on in these sessions with the communicators. Interesting, don’t you think?

[Gestalt]

Naysayers = haters. They’re both no fun.

If I ever want to try another reading I’ll call Dana. She sounds interesting. I will say that if I had used marta williams I would not believe that ac’s are genuine, she really did a bunk recently on a friend of mine. Seemed a total phony, requested a picture and then made comments in regards to the picture. Hey I could have done that for my friend for free!

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=Gestalt;8407629]
Naysayers = haters. They’re both no fun.

If I ever want to try another reading I’ll call Dana. She sounds interesting. I will say that if I had used marta williams I would not believe that ac’s are genuine, she really did a bunk recently on a friend of mine. Seemed a total phony, requested a picture and then made comments in regards to the picture. Hey I could have done that for my friend for free![/QUOTE]

Believers = Haters. They’re no fun either.

Hate comes in all shapes and sizes, what? Or is disagreement in belief, and statement of that disagreement, part of normal intellectual life?

G.

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=SillyHorse;8407592]
In your haste to dismiss everything anyone writes here about their experiences with animal communicators, you seem to have somehow concluded that the communicator saw anyone sitting on the horse. That didn’t happen. Sorry, you are not very convincing.

Come to think of it, you and the other naysayers must have psychic powers of your own, since you claim to know exactly what went on in these sessions with the communicators. Interesting, don’t you think?[/QUOTE]

Where did I say anything about someone sitting on a horse? I just said sitting, as you said. And cold reading is a common technique for frauds like John Edwards. One hardly needs to be “psychic” to.figure out what goes on at these AC sessions.

I will say that some of these people are not trying to perpetrate any sort of scam-they fool even themselves and may be very empathetic and skilled at reading horses’ body language, but telepathy? No. Still waiting for tested,.proven abilities,not anecdotes.

[SillyHorse]

[QUOTE=Sandy M;8407850]
Where did I say anything about someone sitting on a horse? I just said sitting, as you said. [/QUOTE]
If the reading was done over the phone, as it seems most are, the communicator didn’t see anyone sitting on a horse, on a chair, or on top of the world. Why are you so determined to squash someone else’s enjoyment?

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=SillyHorse;8408109]
If the reading was done over the phone, as it seems most are, the communicator didn’t see anyone sitting on a horse, on a chair, or on top of the world. Why are you so determined to squash someone else’s enjoyment?[/QUOTE]

Better yet. Over the phone. Okay, so she didn’t “see” anyone. Still,…waiting for PROOF. Anecdotes are not proof. Do you know ANYONE who has been working with horses for a fairly long period of time who does NOT have some injuries. For myself, I can itemize a fracture/dislocation of my left foot, an evulsion fracture of my left wrist, a broken arm, a few cracked ribs, a couple of mild concussions, and many bumps and bruises over a period of many years.

Do you remember the comment about “confirmation bias?” So this was done over the phone. Though I’m sure you will deny it now, I’ll bet the communicator mentioned various injuries that your trainer did NOT have, but you remember OMG! Yes, the shoulder was injured!!!

Cold reading is, indeed, an art, but telepathy over the phone? Still waiting for unbiased, documented proof. Bueller? anyone? Bueller? There’s still that $1 million out there.

[SillyHorse]

The point is if you don’t believe in it, don’t call an animal communicator. But you don’t have to pooh-pooh everyone else’s experiences. Some people don’t believe in chiropractic - that doesn’t change the fact that I can walk now because of a good chiropractor. Again, what pleasure do you get from sh!tting on someone else’s fun? Why can’t you just quietly roll your eyes and go do something else? You might notice that I’ve not said I believe in interspecies communication, but I don’t think that I have to make someone who does believe it feel like a dope.

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=SillyHorse;8408729]
The point is if you don’t believe in it, don’t call an animal communicator. But you don’t have to pooh-pooh everyone else’s experiences. Some people don’t believe in chiropractic - that doesn’t change the fact that I can walk now because of a good chiropractor. Again, what pleasure do you get from sh!tting on someone else’s fun? Why can’t you just quietly roll your eyes and go do something else? You might notice that I’ve not said I believe in interspecies communication, but I don’t think that I have to make someone who does believe it feel like a dope.[/QUOTE]

Sorry if you’re offended, but really, it is distressing in this day and age to think people believe in things like this without proof.

Anti-vaccine people, trying to distance them from the fact that their much-loved child is autistic, carry on citing a study that has been TOTALLY disproven published by a doctor whose license has been revoked. As a result, they compromise “herd immunity” and endanger children who cannot be vaccinated because of other medical issues (i.e., children recovering from/with cancer whose immune systems are compromised)

Some people believe - against all evidence - that the world is 6,000 years old.

People believe in ghosts - again - no proof at all.

To be skeptical doesn’t mean to be negative - it means to be think critically and to QUESTION.

When you make claims about telepathy with animals (or with other people for that matter), the claims need to be verified by actual proof, not anecdotes. It’s all very well if you just do it for “entertainment,” but if you truly believe it and act on an AC’s claims…well…it IS a negative thing (obviously not if we’re talking about the color of a blanket and things like that, but as in the OP’s case, about using an AC with regard to veterinary care).

As I believe Guillherme said, if these people actually CAN telepathically communicate, this would be a wondrous thing and the scientific community would be all over it for the benefits it might bring…but… they can’t and the benefits apparently are… “entertainment.”

Again, I am perfectly open to believing if VALID proof is provided. So far…(crickets)

[Countrywood]

What in the world does AC have to do with chiropractors? A chiro is a medeical professional who has years of post college education, must pass exams to get state licensed and they use X rays, diagnostics and consult with other doctors. What does getting a result from hands on anatomically guided treatment from a chiropractor have to do with a reading from an AC?

[SendenHorse]

[QUOTE=Sandy M;8408756]

Again, I am perfectly open to believing if VALID proof is provided. So far…(crickets)[/QUOTE]

sorry you didn’t sit in on the calls and hear for yourself, but then you still wouldn’t believe even if you were there for the times the AC knew things she shouldn’t.

At some point many here are so hell bent on proving me wrong that they shut down the part of the brain that read where I have specifically addressed the points of contention.

“Proof” is a word that means different things to different people here, it’s like “third level dressage”.

I have proof. you just don’t like that and insist that I do not.

Skydy- I talked about Paris to illustrate the point that we don’t get GPS coordinates for WHY we have impressions. Some people maybe able to forecast at 5:03pm a certain theatre will get blown up, but I haven’t heard of that happening.

ACs are NOT PSYCHICS! that is why that curtain expt won’t work. Prediction of the future can be made in general terms.

Just like the point about those 200 horses–I was answering the person insisted SOMETHING MUST HAVE BEEN DONE OMG WHY WASN’T ANYTHING DONE???
It’s not fair to place blame on ACs when others think they should have helped.

[SendenHorse]

[QUOTE=Sandy M;8407850]
Where did I say anything about someone sitting on a horse? I just said sitting, as you said. And cold reading is a common technique for frauds like John Edwards. One hardly needs to be “psychic” to.figure out what goes on at these AC sessions.

I will say that some of these people are not trying to perpetrate any sort of scam-they fool even themselves and may be very empathetic and skilled at reading horses’ body language, but telepathy? No. Still waiting for tested,.proven abilities,not anecdotes.[/QUOTE]

well, that would work except for the cases where ACs don’t know a thing about horses, aren’t near the horse, or even have seen a pic, yet have described very very unusual things about that horse.

(ie- not just a “brown horse”, but a very detailed specific situation/color/injury)

also picked up on a sibling of the horse, which had died, that no one knew about till later, including the EXACT color of the horse and age of death.

If I don’t even know of these things, I can’t direct the AC through leading questions.

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8408785]
If I don’t even know of these things, I can’t direct the AC through leading questions.[/QUOTE]

In cold reading, you (generic you) don’t direct the AC through leading questions, the AC (or that fraud John Edwards) throws out questions and YOU respond -verbally, physically, emotionally. Confirmation bias tends to make you forget the WRONG guesses and remember the correct ones.

Again - why won’t an AC come out to where I board my horse…I’ll stay in the house. They can communicate telepathically - let them identify MY horse and communicate with it with absolutely NO input or response from me. THEN I’ll believe.

From what you describe, this would be a ‘piece of cake’ and yet… no AC has accepted those parameters for a “reading.” I wonder why? And please don’t say, “Well obviously you’re so skeptical they just don’t want to deal with it.” I would think CONVINCING a skeptic would be a GOOD thing for a supposed animal communicator.

(P.S. Though you weren’t going to post on this subject anymore? Or was that just for the day?)

[Lady_Eboshi]

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8408765]
What in the world does AC have to do with chiropractors? A chiro is a medeical professional who has years of post college education, must pass exams to get state licensed and they use X rays, diagnostics and consult with other doctors. What does getting a result from hands on anatomically guided treatment from a chiropractor have to do with a reading from an AC?[/QUOTE]

Well, THIS actually: http://www.doctorramey.com/chiropractic/

Even though there’s ZERO empirical biological evidence of “subluxations” or their “adjustment,” as you said, at least in humans they’re certified. Horses, that’s another thing ENTIRELY as per the article above which is why “equine chiropractic” is not even a “thing.” It’s snake-oil masquerading as legitimacy, which doesn’t prevent thousands of the duped from dropping their dollars on it.

Hey, if you want to get “equine chiro” OR an AC just for feelsy-good kicks, go for it. But the point where you’re substituting either one for a competent vet’s care is where it crosses the line from “entertainment” to “problematical” from the point of view of welfare of the horse.

Now back to communing with the Druids.

[Countrywood]

Maybe that is why in the state of Florida anyone doing chiro on equines also has to be a licensed veterinarian. Sorry I thought it was about chiro for people.

I have been treated by a chiropractor and benefited. I also had an equine vet who was a chiro out to treat my horse and to this day have no idea if what he said was BS or not or if what he did ( adjusting the poll) helped or not.

[Countrywood]

The vet who does chiro charges a lot of $, is in high demand, flies here and there over the state…and honestly, I know people who use him and I have no idea if the horses are helped or not, I kind of feel that way about equine massage… I know a horse would surely enjoy massage and perhaps it helps on a superficial level but horses muscles are so big and tough what could they really accomplish?

Good horse management and lots of turn out imo…nearly every horse I know with issues whether behavioral or body is only turned out a very limited time each day and in stall 22 hours a day think anyone would get it by now?