Animal Communicator, Lidia Hiby

[Lady_Eboshi]

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8408913]
The vet who does chiro charges a lot of $, is in high demand, flies here and there over the state…and honestly, I know people who use him and I have no idea if the horses are helped or not, I kind of feel that way about equine massage… I know a horse would surely enjoy massage and perhaps it helps on a superficial level but horses muscles are so big and tough what could they really accomplish?

Good horse management and lots of turn out imo…nearly every horse I know with issues whether behavioral or body is only turned out a very limited time each day and in stall 22 hours a day think anyone would get it by now?[/QUOTE]

This is a topic dear to my heart as I offer boarding with 24/7 turnout, and you can’t BELIEVE the problems that alone can fix. I think for awhile there a lot of people were kidding themselves that turnout was “optional,” kind of a “perk,” like catching a movie on weekends. About 5 years ago there were MANY people–TOO many–for whom not having a stall at night was a deal-breaker.

Now, OTOH, I’m getting more applicants than I can possibly take because open land enough to run this kind of barn is ever more scarce in our area. People are starting to GET IT that it’s rarely possible to keep a horse healthy and sane for long with only an hour a day out of the stall, plus one under saddle if you’re lucky.

Equine “massage therapists” only made the scene when male professional grooms with powerful arms and some serious skills were no longer the norm. A groom who’s a “good strapper” as they say in England definitely DOES work the muscles with some good, deep rubbing. There is no shine like the horse’s coat who gets a good 30 minutes a day of that kind of deep grooming, because of the excellent circulation it fosters. Instead of paying for a “massage” once a month, riders should learn how to REALLY groom with currycomb, dandy brush or whisk, and body brush or rub rag because DAILY grooming does the job far better.

I still think “equine chiro” is woo-woo devoid of evidence.

[SillyHorse]

See?

[Countrywood]

Your comment about grooming brought back fond memories of an elderly gent I used to board with who in his day was a premier hackney trainer and he did the kind of grooming you speak of ( his ponies won numerous national championships). His secret recipe for a gloss finish shiny coat was to rub them hard with straw whisks dipped in horse urine. worked great.

[MistyBlue]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8408785]
well, that would work except for the cases where ACs don’t know a thing about horses, aren’t near the horse, or even have seen a pic, yet have described very very unusual things about that horse.

(ie- not just a “brown horse”, but a very detailed specific situation/color/injury)

also picked up on a sibling of the horse, which had died, that no one knew about till later, including the EXACT color of the horse and age of death.

If I don’t even know of these things, I can’t direct the AC through leading questions.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, unless that other horse was a shade of gray, blue or green then that horse couldn’t have let you know the exact color.
They can’t see the colors we do. Not at all.

[Kwill]

They always have answers for that, including “it was a mental image and I saw the color.” And I doubt a horse knows how old it is, let alone how old a sibling was when it died. The anecdotes in this thread seem to make it less plausible, rather than more. As I said before the ACs do a whole lot of translation and interpretation of this communication that is supposed to exist.

It would make more sense if the horse said things that made no sense to the people, rather than all these higher order thinking statements that are perfectly in tune with what the people want or expect to hear. How come the horses never say, “I hate you, I hate being ridden, you are keeping me in bondage against my will and you broke my spirit. But hey, can I have that red blanket next time?”

[Lady_Eboshi]

[QUOTE=Kwill;8409230]
They always have answers for that, including “it was a mental image and I saw the color.” And I doubt a horse knows how old it is, let alone how old a sibling was when it died. The anecdotes in this thread seem to make it less plausible, rather than more. As I said before the ACs do a whole lot of translation and interpretation of this communication that is supposed to exist.

It would make more sense if the horse said things that made no sense to the people, rather than all these higher order thinking statements that are perfectly in tune with what the people want or expect to hear. How come the horses never say, “I hate you, I hate being ridden, you are keeping me in bondage against my will and you broke my spirit. But hey, can I have that red blanket next time?”[/QUOTE]

I can PROMISE you they don’t know how old they are! Went to call my 30-year old TB boarder to come in his paddock for grain the other morning, and there he was leaping up and down bucking in the rolling pit like a yearling, just showing off!

Gotta love that 50/50 mix of TC Sr. and sweet feed!

[SendenHorse]

[QUOTE=Sandy M;8408795]
In cold reading, you (generic you) don’t direct the AC through leading questions, the AC (or that fraud John Edwards) throws out questions and YOU respond -verbally, physically, emotionally. Confirmation bias tends to make you forget the WRONG guesses and remember the correct ones.

Again - why won’t an AC come out to where I board my horse…I’ll stay in the house. They can communicate telepathically - let them identify MY horse and communicate with it with absolutely NO input or response from me. THEN I’ll believe.

From what you describe, this would be a ‘piece of cake’ and yet… no AC has accepted those parameters for a “reading.” I wonder why? And please don’t say, “Well obviously you’re so skeptical they just don’t want to deal with it.” I would think CONVINCING a skeptic would be a GOOD thing for a supposed animal communicator.

(P.S. Though you weren’t going to post on this subject anymore? Or was that just for the day?)[/QUOTE]

Sure, have an AC out to your barn and stay home… they haven’t accepted since you didn’t ask, right???

Why would ACs want to waste time on skeptics when they have plenty of people on board and paying them for their services?
You don’t seem genuinely interested in changing to me, so this is all a waste of time, really.
I post here for others, not just for you. People reading along, if i didn’t like this subject so much I wouldn’t be here.

I shouldn’t be posting here, I just value true things and not what someone thinks ACs do/are like who have never had a reading and won’t have a reading.

[SendenHorse]

[QUOTE=MistyBlue;8409019]
Unfortunately, unless that other horse was a shade of gray, blue or green then that horse couldn’t have let you know the exact color.
They can’t see the colors we do. Not at all.[/QUOTE]

No the horse didn’t tell what color he was, the AC saw the image of a horse and the color. That is how this works many times. I have had ACs tell the color of the horses in several different facets. I have determined color on horses i never met, though I am not a professional.

It’s like watching a movie.

See? you guys refuse to believe, and are so certain you can do better.

[SendenHorse]

[QUOTE=Kwill;8409230]
They always have answers for that, including “it was a mental image and I saw the color.” And I doubt a horse knows how old it is, let alone how old a sibling was when it died. The anecdotes in this thread seem to make it less plausible, rather than more. As I said before the ACs do a whole lot of translation and interpretation of this communication that is supposed to exist.

It would make more sense if the horse said things that made no sense to the people, rather than all these higher order thinking statements that are perfectly in tune with what the people want or expect to hear. How come the horses never say, "I hate you, I hate being ridden, you are keeping me in bondage against my will and you broke my spirit. But hey, can I have that red blanket next time?"[/QUOTE]

Yes, a mental image of the horse, why is that so hard to understand?

yes, they do say this actually… I have had horses communicate that they hate their owner because they ride a lame horse and are rough, and they are in pain, but thankfully that is not a common theme.

As I said, not all ACs are the same, and the readings are a mix of images, thoughts, emotions, and ideas. Sorry if you just don’t like my answers!

[Kwill]

Plenty of the gullible to give them money. Especially since no one cares if they are real, or not, apparently. Anyway, don’t they give readings to skeptics all the time, since they go to horse fairs and barns and take everyone’s money?

I believe ACs are also bound under the federal trade commission laws, but you have to be a pretty bad apple and take a lot of people’s money for them to care as far as I can tell. The UK has stricter laws about trade regulations for psychics and spiritual stuff than we do.

[SendenHorse]

Ah, the need to be right. But your denial of the facts don’t make them less true. Thankfully, I think the close-minded people here are in the minority, here and IRL. So much negativity comes out when people can’t engage in a true dialog of different opinions and are so quick to slam the door on new concepts. It’s sad that you refuse to read even a page from a book you are afraid of. You don’t have to buy the book, you know, you can just learn a bit and mull it over.
The facts are here, you just don’t see it.
BUt really, I can see how this is mostly fear talking- if this is true, what else might I have to change my mind on? If this is true, how does logic and science fit in (hint- very well actually)…
There is nothing to be gained by holding your stance even when logic and experiences proving you wrong… You just look inflexible to me.
This all makes me think of Paris-- I’m the one trying to understand people who are different than me, not just screaming my opinion and calling others idiots.

And this is why the tread is important to me. It’s a mindset that does no good, and causes a shut down of conversation about new ideas. That is why most of you would make terrible scientists-- you have to be open to be a good scientist, and I wager it also helps with horses, too.

But you don’t care about that, you just keep saying how idiotic this is over and over. Fine, I’m an idiot, but one with a lot of info

Fine, not my problem, it just makes you look silly.

I realize that this all seems hippy dippy, but I’ve also seen the benefits on the other side of the conversation when you have new ideas and knowledge. that is worth taking a risk on a weirdo who talks to animals.

closed-minded

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[SendenHorse]

so this thread is clearly spreading rumors that are untrue about ACs so I wanted to clear that up, but I think this will just keep going in circular themes and it’s not developing any depth so probably time to let this die.

It just isn’t getting off the ground, and that is sad. But really, a BB of horse women-- opinionated. What did I expect, really? LOL. maybe that is what I should have considered.

Horse women are just too bull headed. Note to self.

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8409493]
Sure, have an AC out to your barn and stay home… they haven’t accepted since you didn’t ask, right???

.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I have asked (three different “ACs”) and they have declined the conditions. Now, I am sure, you will trot out the “no true Scotsman” fallacy and tell me a “true” AC would have welcomed the test. Yeaaaah.

And yeah, they get paid for their services, why waste time on skeptics. I mean, why waste time winning a million dollars, either, right? They are so noble, wealthy, etc., they don’t need it.

Again - offer me REAL proof, not anecdotes, not personal experience, but neutrally, independently proven evidence of your, or any other AC’s, telepathy, and I’m perfectly willing to believe.

Sure, don’t waste time on skeptics - I mean, asking for proof is such a party pooper attitude, isnt’ it? Why won’t these skeptical people just BELIEVE because someone SAYS SO.? I mean, I just LOVE that invisible pink unicorn in my garage. Why won’t you believe me that I have one?

[Kwill]

But your denial of the facts don’t make them less true.

Right, the fact is there is no telepathic communication between people and animals, and denying this doesn’t make it less true.

Insisting “I believe and no one can talk me out of it”, despite all the rational explanations for this phenomenon (projection from the human, reading of tone and body language from the human, confirmation bias (no, no, oh yes, that fits!), and just wishful thinking) is also close minded.

It doesn’t make anyone look silly to question something that hasn’t been demonstrated to exist, except through anecdotal evidence, ever. The only studies presented here are flawed and biased, and show nothing. The anecdotal evidence can be explained quite easily through the lens of human interactions.

Those who want to believe, do. If there really is such a thing as an animal communicator, great, but when you start making money from the public off such a supposed talent or ability, that makes it a whole other ball game.

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8409547]
so this thread is clearly spreading rumors that are untrue about ACs so I wanted to clear that up, but I think this will just keep going in circular themes and it’s not developing any depth so probably time to let this die.

It just isn’t getting off the ground, and that is sad. But really, a BB of horse women-- opinionated. What did I expect, really? LOL. maybe that is what I should have considered.

Horse women are just too bull headed. Note to self.[/QUOTE]

Indeed. There is a bunch of mis- and dis-information being spread, here. But it’s not by the folks who question.

G.

[SnicklefritzG]

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8377418]
why not try 6 months at pasture, then see if horse is sound…a mid solution before a life of retirement.

Imo AC are total BS…perhaps for a behavior problem they can sometimes be of help more because they tap into the person’s anxieties or wishes and give feedback to that.[/QUOTE]

I know several people that decided to retire horses to pasture and then SURPRISE! they become sound again, even for riding!!!

Horses need to move around. If I sit all day at my desk, and then sit in the car for a long commute, I would probably fail multiple flexion tests and all sorts of things.

[Countrywood]

Getting off on an imagined spiritual connection of messages from a horse is fine except… it can keep an owner blind to a real solution’ to an issue a horse is having because the reading is not about finding a solution rooted in the animals actual needs such as more turnout, it’s about stoking the ego of the owner .

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8409811]
Getting off on an imagined spiritual connection of messages from a horse is fine except… it can keep an owner blind to a real solution’ to an issue a horse is having because the reading is not about finding a solution rooted in the animals actual needs such as more turnout, it’s about stoking the ego of the owner .[/QUOTE]

+1.

G.

[Jackie_Cochran]

Hi Sendenhorse.

I just want to tell you I admire your courage in attempting to open minds.

Horses send messages all the time that people ignore. Since I do not ignore these messages from mouth, chin, nose, eyes, ears, neck and general body stances, when I get up on a horse the first few times I am subject to rather eloquent expressions of what is wrong, all through movement and body language.

When I FIX what is bothering the horse I get an immediate feeling of relief. When I put something on the horse that makes the horse feel better, lately putting an ear bonnet on when there is a cold wind, whenever I put my Back on Track poll cap and exercise sheet on the horse, I get a “feeling” of YES before the horse licks his/her lips.

A while ago I read about “mirror neurons”, how some people’s neurons will match another person’s neurons, and how this may be the basis for empathy. Who knows, maybe this is the basis for “telepathy” too, with people who are a bit more sensitive than other people.

I am just glad I am not an Animal Communicator. I do not think I could stand it, every horse telling, me in detail, of their problems with their people, herdmates, facilities, pain, and life in general.

The two books that helped me on this road were “Talking with Horses” and “Thinking with Horses”, both by Henry Blake. If you have not read them you will really enjoy them, he says a lot of the same things you do, like seeing in pictures.

[Countrywood]

When I FIX what is bothering the horse I get an immediate feeling of relief. When I put something on the horse that makes the horse feel better, lately putting an ear bonnet on when there is a cold wind, whenever I put my Back on Track poll cap and exercise sheet on the horse, I get a “feeling” of YES before the horse licks his/her lips.

Exactly the problem with this which is what makes people crazy. Yoou are not fixing anything the horse needs, you are doing stuff that makes YOU feel better.

Such as putting on ear bonnets in a cold wind , (horses don’t wear ear bonnets in nature in a cold wind they flatten their ears and the hair stands up in inner ear for insinuation…if people don’t mess it up by clipping their ears or putting bonnets on preventing natural movement. And then putting a BOT poll cap on… BOT spouts unproven claims about magnetic therapy . Why not put a TV antenna on his head and see if he gets the HSN tuned in?

Meanwhile your horse may genuinely need something , which is not addressed mix because this kind of thinking is all about about doing stuff that makes the person feel good, and because they feel good they believe the horse is sending them a message of some kind they feel the same.