Animal Communicator, Lidia Hiby

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8409726]
I know several people that decided to retire horses to pasture and then SURPRISE! they become sound again, even for riding!!!

Horses need to move around. If I sit all day at my desk, and then sit in the car for a long commute, I would probably fail multiple flexion tests and all sorts of things.[/QUOTE]

Probably the most famous incidence of this is Keen! Spinal issues, turned out for - I think - 2, 3 years. Hilda G. noticed he was moving pretty well and seemed fine and started riding him again. He was sufficiently recovered to compete in another Olympics!

[Lady_Eboshi]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8409538]
Ah, the need to be right. But your denial of the facts don’t make them less true. Thankfully, I think the close-minded people here are in the minority, here and IRL. So much negativity comes out when people can’t engage in a true dialog of different opinions and are so quick to slam the door on new concepts. It’s sad that you refuse to read even a page from a book you are afraid of. You don’t have to buy the book, you know, you can just learn a bit and mull it over.
The facts are here, you just don’t see it.
BUt really, I can see how this is mostly fear talking- if this is true, what else might I have to change my mind on? If this is true, how does logic and science fit in (hint- very well actually)…
There is nothing to be gained by holding your stance even when logic and experiences proving you wrong… You just look inflexible to me.
This all makes me think of Paris-- I’m the one trying to understand people who are different than me, not just screaming my opinion and calling others idiots.

And this is why the tread is important to me. It’s a mindset that does no good, and causes a shut down of conversation about new ideas. That is why most of you would make terrible scientists-- you have to be open to be a good scientist, and I wager it also helps with horses, too.

But you don’t care about that, you just keep saying how idiotic this is over and over. Fine, I’m an idiot, but one with a lot of info

Fine, not my problem, it just makes you look silly.

I realize that this all seems hippy dippy, but I’ve also seen the benefits on the other side of the conversation when you have new ideas and knowledge. that is worth taking a risk on a weirdo who talks to animals.

closed-minded

Word Origin
adjective
1.
having a mind firmly unreceptive to new ideas or arguments:
It’s hard to argue with, much less convince, a closed-minded person.

close minded
Someone who is unreceptive to new ideas or information.

Words used to describe someone who is stubborn and narrow-minded -
stubborn
a stubborn person is not willing to change their ideas or to consider anyone else’s reasons or arguments
narrow
limited in the way that you look at things and not willing to consider other ideas
conservative
not willing to accept much change, especially in the traditional values of society
intolerant adjective
not willing to accept behavior, beliefs, or opinions that are different from your own
narrow-minded
disliking or not interested in ideas or cultures different from your own
opinionated
someone who is opinionated has very strong opinions that they refuse to change even when they are clearly unreasonable
inflexible
not willing to change your ideas, beliefs, or decisions
closed
not willing to consider the ideas, opinions, or beliefs of other people or groups
rigid
not willing to change your ideas, attitudes, opinions, etc.[/QUOTE]

“FACTS?” Now something is a “fact” just because you happen to believe in it? :rolleyes: People have for thousands of years believed in all manner of supernatural phenomena, but NOT ONE has yet been proven a “fact” as opposed to a “belief.” That people BELIEVE even without a shred of evidence is, however, a “fact.” That poster above really MAY have a pink unicorn in her garage. But if we go and look, and whoops, no unicorn, that invalidates the belief. If she’s charging $10 for a peep at her unicorn, now we have a problem with fraud. Same as if she’s letting you “talk” to him on the phone for $20.00.

It’s also a fact that believers in such look gullible, undereducated, superstitious, or silly to people who don’t share their belief in many supernatural or psychic phenomena. Hey, I would LOVE for lots of these things to be true–show me evidence, and my mind will open up just like a rose! I’d pay REAL money to be able to communicate with my long-dead trainers and grandfather. But on the basis of this thread, I see not one shred of reason why I should become a believer in AC phone “readings” of a horse.

The point you just won’t get is that you are putting these AC “readings” on a par with veterinary medicine, whereas we “skeptics” equate them with fortune-tellers, ghost-busters, Ouija boards, seances, or crystal “healing.” That is from where the fruitbat flies for us! Cue Ancient Astronauts, Roswell, Elvis is Alive, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster while you’re at it. Don’t forget about the human-made “canals” on Mars.

Believe in all of the above, and as many pink unicorns as you like, just as long as that belief doesn’t get in the way of taking legitimate, evidence-based care of your horse’s welfare.

[Jackie_Cochran]

Countrywood, you are not riding this mare. She is 30 years old, has a history, is very opinionated, and eloquently uses her body language, sometimes forcibly, to express her often heated opinions.

This mare lives outside 24/7 (for decades), and has not been clipped AT ALL. I don’t know if her ears have ever been clipped, but they have not been clipped for the last six years. Since she is an Arab her ears are on the small side and she uses them freely whether the ear bonnet is on or off.

I’ve been riding her for years. This is the first winter I even thought of using the ear bonnet when it was cold.

Around three years ago, listening to her body language objections to standing in the cold wind when I was riding her, I got her the BOT exercise sheet (by the way BOT is not magnetic therapy, it is deep far infrared therapy.) Now she is content to stand in the cold wind somewhat, as in she is not flinging her head, dancing in place, and stomping her feet, but stands still while I rest. By adding the BOT poll cap, and now the ear bonnet, she is more willing to stand in a cold wind while I rest, even when she is facing the wind which used to be one of the things she expressed displeasure about before. I HAVE TO rest frequently, I have MS and I get physically exhausted quickly. The more peaceably she stands the happier I am.

I do not own this mare. Her owner, my riding teacher, has looked on my experimentations with interest. We have identified her physical problems and they are treated, with supplements, more frequent hoof trimming, and veterinary medicine when needed. My riding teacher has 50 years of experience, I have 45 years of horse experience, both in East Coast hunt seat (PA & VA) and neither of us are ignoramuses that get swamped by woo-hoo excitement.

Does it make ME feel better to make this mare more comfortable? Yes, it does, I really appreciate that she is not longer prancing around when I halt in a cold wind, but stands calmly looking around at the cows, ducks and other horses. That means I can rest my body for several minutes if I need to, and that DOES make me feel better. The little feelings of relief and pleasure I get from her would be totally immaterial if she did not willingly stand still in a cold breeze when we are in the riding ring.

And by the way, this mare feels perfectly free to strongly express her opinion physically if she does NOT like something I try, no matter how much it is “supposed to” make her feel better. There is no telepathy, empathy, spirit communication or any other type of “woo-woo” about it. Some horses are just more expressive than others, especially ancient Arabian mares.

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;8409953]
“FACTS?” Now something is a “fact” just because you happen to believe in it? :rolleyes: People have for thousands of years believed in all manner of supernatural phenomena, but NOT ONE has yet been proven a “fact” as opposed to a “belief.” That people BELIEVE even without a shred of evidence is, however, a “fact.” That poster above really MAY have a pink unicorn in her garage. But if we go and look, and whoops, no unicorn, that invalidates the belief. If she’s charging $10 for a peep at her unicorn, now we have a problem with fraud. Same as if she’s letting you “talk” to him on the phone for $20.00.

[/B][/QUOTE]]

Ah, Lady E, but my pink unicorn in the garage is INVISIBLE! You’ll just have to take my word for the “fact” that he exists!!! No peeking!! ROFLOL!! He’s as real as AC. ;0)

And my response to the posted definition of “close minded” would be: Project much?

I’m open to proof. Haven’t seen any yet.

[Lady_Eboshi]

[QUOTE=Sandy M;8409989]
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Ah, Lady E, but my pink unicorn in the garage is INVISIBLE! You’ll just have to take my word for the “fact” that he exists!!! No peeking!! ROFLOL!! He’s as real as AC. ;0)

And my response to the posted definition of “close minded” would be: Project much?

I’m open to proof. Haven’t seen any yet.[/QUOTE]

If he’s invisible, how do you know he’s PINK? :lol:

[Kwill]

I want to talk to the pink unicorn. I think I will, right now. No phone needed…I will just telepathically do it on my own.

Whee…so many pretty thoughts of candy…and fluffy clouds…but she doesn’t like that old lawn mower in your garage, she says it stinks. Please store it elsewhere.

In defense of Jackie Cochran, I think she was not claiming to be an animal communicator but just tuning in on the horse’s signals, as she stated quite clearly. But can’t get on board with putting a magnet on her head, but if she likes the hat it’s in, why not.

My barn owner is all into the magnet stuff, but I am skeptical about that, too. My husband once refused to see a medical doctor again because he was wearing some copper bracelet thing that had magikal qualities. The fact is, many of this stuff has been proven not to work, at all. But no one wants to believe that either.

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;8410022]
If he’s invisible, how do you know he’s PINK? :lol:[/QUOTE]

He told me. Telepathically. And Kwill has by her communications with my unicorn discovered that he/she is apparently trans. Good for her/him! I guess I’d better upgrade my garage aesthetically to keep her/him happy.

The BOT stuff MAY work. It’s ceramic impregnated material (not magnets) and apparently does project some “warmth” into the muscles. Sort of a glorified quarter sheet/saddle pad, etc. I did use the BOT knee brace, and while the SUPPORT was what I used it for, there was a definite “warmth” that I did not feel with other knee support braces.

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=Jackie Cochran;8409985]
Countrywood, you are not riding this mare. She is 30 years old, has a history, is very opinionated, and eloquently uses her body language, sometimes forcibly, to express her often heated opinions.

This mare lives outside 24/7 (for decades), and has not been clipped AT ALL. I don’t know if her ears have ever been clipped, but they have not been clipped for the last six years. Since she is an Arab her ears are on the small side and she uses them freely whether the ear bonnet is on or off.

I’ve been riding her for years. This is the first winter I even thought of using the ear bonnet when it was cold.

Around three years ago, listening to her body language objections to standing in the cold wind when I was riding her, I got her the BOT exercise sheet (by the way BOT is not magnetic therapy, it is deep far infrared therapy.) Now she is content to stand in the cold wind somewhat, as in she is not flinging her head, dancing in place, and stomping her feet, but stands still while I rest. By adding the BOT poll cap, and now the ear bonnet, she is more willing to stand in a cold wind while I rest, even when she is facing the wind which used to be one of the things she expressed displeasure about before. I HAVE TO rest frequently, I have MS and I get physically exhausted quickly. The more peaceably she stands the happier I am.

I do not own this mare. Her owner, my riding teacher, has looked on my experimentations with interest. We have identified her physical problems and they are treated, with supplements, more frequent hoof trimming, and veterinary medicine when needed. My riding teacher has 50 years of experience, I have 45 years of horse experience, both in East Coast hunt seat (PA & VA) and neither of us are ignoramuses that get swamped by woo-hoo excitement.

Does it make ME feel better to make this mare more comfortable? Yes, it does, I really appreciate that she is not longer prancing around when I halt in a cold wind, but stands calmly looking around at the cows, ducks and other horses. That means I can rest my body for several minutes if I need to, and that DOES make me feel better. The little feelings of relief and pleasure I get from her would be totally immaterial if she did not willingly stand still in a cold breeze when we are in the riding ring.

And by the way, this mare feels perfectly free to strongly express her opinion physically if she does NOT like something I try, no matter how much it is “supposed to” make her feel better. There is no telepathy, empathy, spirit communication or any other type of “woo-woo” about it. Some horses are just more expressive than others, especially ancient Arabian mares.[/QUOTE]

To boil this down, you observed the mare, took actions that the mare’s body language suggested, and you had a good result. Isn’t that what a competent horseman/woman does? IF the result had not been positive can we presume that you would have re-examined your interpretations of the mare’s presentation and modified your program?

How is this relevant to the issue of non-physical communication that has been claimed by the advocates of “animal communication?”

G.

[Countrywood]

I agree, observing horses body language, as well as taking into account physical changing needs such as aging is what good horse people do it ( and sounds like you take great care of your mare)

But that differs from receiving messages or communications supposedly from horses (especially when the reader can’t see them such as over the telephone)

Being sensitive to a horses needs and getting to know through trial and error and feedback of watching results will benefit the horse. It can bond us with them and be rewarding, but we are doing it for them, not our own ego or to delve into a quasi mystical experience at their expense. .

[MistyBlue]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8409500]
No the horse didn’t tell what color he was, the AC saw the image of a horse and the color. That is how this works many times. I have had ACs tell the color of the horses in several different facets. I have determined color on horses i never met, though I am not a professional.

It’s like watching a movie.

See? you guys refuse to believe, and are so certain you can do better.[/QUOTE]

Then you’re psychic?
Because if the horse is sending you mind pictures or you can just see what the horse is thinking or remembering…that view is STILL not going to have horse colors in it. Horses, like many animals, are dichromatic. Humans are trichromatic. We see three primary colors and countless different shades and mixes of those three colors.
Horses are completely incapable of seeing red and any mix of red. A red apple looks green to them. So they can’t even imagine, think, project or remember horse colors. They have no idea that tons of colors even exist.
So how would you or any other AC have any clue what color a horse is without seeing it if that information was coming in any way from another animal? Not unless the ability to read animal minds comes with the option of psychic abilities. Or maybe astral projection? Because whomever ACs are communicating with that might be showing them pictures is able to see like a human.
But seeing pictures sent from a horse is never…ever…ever…going to show anyone the accurate color of MOST horses. It’s like having a blue whale send you mind pictures of the Sahara…a scorpion explain what the South Pole looks like…a mosquito explain quantum physics. These things don’t exist at all for these creatures.
So how did “the AC” see an accurately colored image of a horse that another horse was thinking about?

[Jackie_Cochran]

Back on Track is NOT magnetic.

I’ve never tried magnets on horses. There is too little evidence to justify the cost on my extremely tight budget.

Back on Track, on the other hand, has something to back it up from my personal experience. I got the saddle pad first for a horse with an iffy back (iffy as he was not comfortable but he did not try to buck me off). Before I could use it on him I had wrenched my back, I looked at the saddle pad, laid on it, and it helped MY back. The BOT stuff also helped my husband. At 64 I have many aches and pains, and BOT is now a major component of my pain management system (I don’t have to use aspirin as much to get rid of a pain.) I just wish I could afford more of their stuff, but I am REALLY glad I got what I did back when I had the money.

This still does not change the fact that occasionally I get “feelings” from a horse that I will try to act on, especially if I get the “feeling” several times. I don’t always succeed, usually it is a process of trying one thing-yes or no (by actions), and if it is “no” trying something else, or deciding that it is obvious there is nothing I can do and it is a case for a vet, blacksmith, or better riding than I can do with my severe limitations.

There is nothing “mystical” about it. And I have found out that most horses could not care less about my ego, all they want is for me not to hurt them and to listen to their eloquent body language as they “explain” in painful detail exactly how I am not a perfect rider (bad balace, incoordinated, no proprioceptive sense, and a tendency to collapse as I become exhausted.) Luckily for me they often forgive me my imperfections, largely, I think, because I do try to listen to their objections and do something to improve my riding.

As far as the telepathy goes I have already described the three situations in which I got unusual “messages” that were not within my “normal” way of understanding a horse.

[Crockpot]

i tend to agree with Wittgenstein:

If a lion could speak, we could not understand him

JMO but Pretty sure my horses are not thinking about favorite blanket colors , coming up with specific veterinary diagnoses for themselves and medical diagnoses for the riders

I think there may? I dont know- be some people who have esp- but they read the humans- (see wiggenstein) and I also think there are many charletons - who know how to separate people from their money.

Even on this thread where someone said she set out a cold challenge for acS- i could give that person tons of amazing info about her horses if she sat in the house and gave no feedback- just based on what she has posted on CoTh over the years and also could find out much more since I can figure out her name location breed, age etc. just based on what has been posted here

My views are somewhat colored by having a horse owner in my barn who spewed this stuff and her horses suffered as a result. For example: I did not need psychic powers to see that her 29 year old horse was in extreme pain and could not stand- groaning - owner through her psychic abilitues decided the horse was ‘passing over’ . Um no. She had a hoof abscess- but she did suffer and groan for days until I begged her to get her farrier out ( No way would she call a vet) and yes it was an abscess and she was fine for years after that. Still alive as far as I know.

[Countrywood]

I stand corrected on Back on Track products.

[Lady_Eboshi]

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8410240]
I stand corrected on Back on Track products. :)[/QUOTE]

The placebo effect is underestimated.

If you think THAT’s good, you should try Jack Daniel’s.

Especially if you want to talk to the invisible pink unicorn.

[Sandy_M]

[QUOTE=Crockpot;8410228]
i tend to agree with Wittgenstein:

I think there may? be some people who have esp- they read the humans- and I also think there are many charletons - who know how to separate people from their money. Even on this thread where someone said she set out a cold challenge for acS- i could give that person tons of amazing info about her horses just based on what she has posted on CoTh over the years and also could find out much more since I can figure out her name location breed, age etc. just based on what has been posted here[/QUOTE]

Yes, you’re quite right. I - and I’m sure others - have mentioned our horses’ names on various boards. Anyone supposed “communicator” could google an individual’s name/the horse’s name/check Centerline/get scores and know how old the horse is, the breed, whether it’s been a successful show horse, etc. Hot reading combined with cold reading.

I would say, however, that ESP with people has never been proven either.

[Crockpot]

I would say, however, that ESP with people has never been proven either.

Oh I agree- just saying slightly??? more believable than someone reading a horses mind about veterinary issues over the telephone. I don’t know

[sdlbredfan]

I highly recommend Pam Sourelis. Here is her FB info:
https://www.facebook.com/Winged-Horse-Healing-Reiki-Animal-Communication-Neuromuscular-Retraining-206126993479/?fref=ts

[Sparrowette]

This thread has been an interesting read. There appears to be a group of people who claim to believe in science, but are not interested in applying the scientific method to investigate what may, or may not be, a phenomenon. There is anecdotal evidence. To my view, there appears to be enough anecdotal evidence, where, if it were some noxious disease, the March of Dimes would be all over it – learning about it, what causes it, why does it affect some and not others; the list of potential questions goes on and on. And yes, the MOD would collect money for all that research. Scientists do need to feed their families.

But the “non-believers” as I’ll call them - for lack of a better word - their posts sound like they think science is frozen in stone, and what they know, or what is currently known, is all there is. But that’s not what science is. The scientific method is a tool used to investigate what’s going on in the world we live in. And what we know is always changing because of science. When I was in grade school, Pluto was a planet. Scientific facts are always changing and these changes come from research.

And a contest for a money prize, in and of itself, apart from controlling for variables and documentation/analysis, is not part of the scientific method, AFAIK.

The doctoral thesis presented appears to be something that might be used as a tool for investigation. Scientific investigators, using scientific method, can apply the methods of inquiry and collect data. I would encourage people to read that paper. I’m not a fast reader, so it took me a few mornings to wade through it, but it seems to have been put together well and had solid data. This sort of thing needs to be repeated with many other animal communicators, many other animals, and much more data collected. The starting hypothesis could be: “Animal communication exists” (or that it doesn’t exist, or studies of either possibility). When there is more data, research can proceed from there.

Perhaps, eventually, if the positive hypotheses is proven, the methods can be used to weed out the fakes, and license the real ones?

Something is happening out there. There are too many people who report having accurate experiences of this. Why not find out what it is (or isn’t) for sure?

[Crockpot]

But the “non-believers” as I’ll call them - for lack of a better word - their posts sound like they think science is frozen in stone, and what they know, or what is currently known, is all there is.

No. Just interested in science- so bring it on.

[Guilherme]

Snipped for brevity.

[QUOTE=Sparrowette;8411557]

Something is happening out there. There are too many people who report having accurate experiences of this. Why not find out what it is (or isn’t) for sure?[/QUOTE]

I’m not really a scientist; I am a professional investigator. I can assure you that just because “too many people who report having accurate experiences of this” means absolutely nothing.

These things are as old as civilization, at least. The Greeks had the Oracle at Delphi. Romans had augury (learning the future by studying the flight patterns of birds). There’s astrology. There’s palmistry and reading tea leaves and Tarot cards. There’s the Ouija board. There were some famous “horse whisperers” of the 19th Century. All of these things share the characteristic of determining physical events by identifying and interpreting non-physical communication of some type.

And, to be fair, virtually every organized religion operates on a similar principle.

Those of us who are skeptics (no matter how you want to style us) want to see someone “find out” it there is truth in these claims. There is (or at least was for a long period of time) a $1 Million Dollar prize for people who can demonstrate these sorts of events under controlled circumstances. It was never claimed.

I really enjoy an entertaining magician. To me watching impossible tasks (like being put into a box, having the box set on fire, and then re-appearing unscathed in some fashion) are absolutely a hoot. Penn and Teller are true masters of this craft. There’s a great show called “Penn and Teller Fool Us” that I don’t miss. And this is all true even though I know that there’s no such thing as “magic.”

I’ve personally seen horses injured by owners who eschew professional veterinary or farrier advice in favor of some sort of non-physical “animal communication.” If a person wants to do this with their own horses it’s their business. If they recommend it to others based upon alleged “success” I’ll express my skepticism.

G.