Animal Communicator, Lidia Hiby

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8384953]

The rest is all gooey stuff about horses wanting a blanket or bandana. Who could prove such a thing right or wrong? I mean, if an AC says a horse wants a red blanket, who can prove otherwise? And the amazing coincidence the owner was thinking of getting a new blanket? So what? I think all the time about tack or blankets I could buy, most horse owners think about that stuff.[/QUOTE]

I just came back to tell you that my AC did not give me any messages about blanket colors. Maybe my horses don’t care! :winkgrin:

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8384953]
Look, I am really happy the AC located that horse. And maybe she really did pick up on distress messages of a horse stuck in water. But it;s the only hard evidence story we have and frankly, if a horse was missing 24 hours in a rural area, there is a good chance it is stuck in water or got caught up in a fence. What else could happen to it? It did not go drive away to Vegas or parts unknown.

The rest is all gooey stuff about horses wanting a blanket or bandana. Who could prove such a thing right or wrong? I mean, if an AC says a horse wants a red blanket, who can prove otherwise? And the amazing coincidence the owner was thinking of getting a new blanket? So what? I think all the time about tack or blankets I could buy, most horse owners think about that stuff.[/QUOTE]

The horse was not stuck in water, it was stuck on a ledge halfway down a 70 ravine, the stream was nearby as was a highway. They had already looked for a day and could not find it. If you knew the topography and the vegetation of this area it would make more sense. Very dense and sometimes very deep ravines. It is amazing the horse was recovered okay. Maybe it’s “behavioral” training was helped by this adventure.

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8384953]
Look, I am really happy the AC located that horse. And maybe she really did pick up on distress messages of a horse stuck in water. But it;s the only hard evidence story we have and frankly, if a horse was missing 24 hours in a rural area, there is a good chance it is stuck in water or got caught up in a fence. What else could happen to it? It did not go drive away to Vegas or parts unknown.

The rest is all gooey stuff about horses wanting a blanket or bandana. Who could prove such a thing right or wrong? I mean, if an AC says a horse wants a red blanket, who can prove otherwise? And the amazing coincidence the owner was thinking of getting a new blanket? So what? I think all the time about tack or blankets I could buy, most horse owners think about that stuff.[/QUOTE]

The horse was not stuck in water, it was stuck on a ledge halfway down a 70 ravine, the stream was nearby as was a highway. They had already looked for a day and could not find it If you knew the topography and the vegetation of this area it would make more sense. Very dense and sometimes very deep ravines. It is amazing the horse was recovered okay. Maybe it’s “behavioral” training was helped by this adventure.

Here are questions I would think AC’s could help with:

End the blanket debate: DO THEY work??

Saddle fit

Do you enjoy your job

Can you get over your fear of plastic bags?

If you know what blankets and colors are, why can’t you figure out to stop putting your leg through that fence?

If you can tell the AC where the pain is and that you want it fixed, why do you keep making it worse?

Does the hay taste good?

Why aren’t more AC’s full time trainers? Really? I would LOVE it if AC’s were the real deal. Who doesn’t want to be able to understand their pets better.

If an AC was teaching dressage/reining/jumping/etc, wouldn’t those riders have a distinct advantage?

Good trainers are the real deal AC…they have a goal of getting results not just picking up on images or past trauma etc…yes some AC people have a sensitive nature that picks up on some things from horses or dogs…but that is different than training and inspiring an animal aka working toward a goal and achieving it with an animal

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8385257]
Good trainers are the real deal AC…they have a goal of getting results not just picking up on images or past trauma etc…yes some AC people have a sensitive nature that picks up on some things from horses or dogs…but that is different than training and inspiring an animal aka working toward a goal and achieving it with an animal[/QUOTE]

yes, exactly. not the same at all.

Re: saddle fit- not a clear yes/no:
My horse told me “he didn’t like to bend” with the saddle on. Does that mean it was the saddle? or some other reason he couldn’t bend? I still had to use a saddle fitter.

I explained above how I had three ACs read my injured horse and 3 had right but different answers.

This need to prove and get a specific result doesn’t work in this area. You can often get very good insights but horses don’t think like we do.

If you can find some nugget of information that is helpful from what an AC has said, well, surely that is of some value. Whether or not the AC process is valid-- that is another issue altogether.

Some people swear by the validity of horoscopes. Others think they are nonsense. Some people are in between, and read them for fun, and every once in awhile, something might resonate with them— which does not make the horoscope valid/invalid, but rather, helps the person focus on some particular issue or question or decision.

So if something that AC says resonates with a person, for instance, prompts them to get the saddle fit checked, or whatever… it neither proves nor disproves the validity of the process, but might just be a useful tool for helping the horse owner get in touch with something within themself, rather than the horse.

I just had the most amazing imagery come in to me from virtually every horse in the USA…they all would rather hang out grazing all day then be ridden or do work. That will be $30 each.

[QUOTE=ThatGirlTina;8384971]
OP stated she wasnt interested if we thought it was bologna or not.[/QUOTE]

She gets a pile on.

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8385324]
I just had the most amazing imagery come in to me from virtually every horse in the USA…they all would rather hang out grazing all day then be ridden or do work. That will be $30 each.[/QUOTE]

Why are you still talking?

OP, Lydia pinpointed pain areas on both my horses. She did not give any type of vet advice or diagnoses. She also gave some spot on info regarding my current stabling situation.

When I called her I was expecting nothing, but I came away a believer. A fellow boarder also called her but she didn’t really get any news that was of use. It was pretty nebulous.

Lydia met my horse in person maybe 5-6 years ago at a fundraising show. I think it was $50 (to charity) and I just thought it would be fun. This was this horse’s first show back after having had major surgery to remove a sinus cyst. I can’t recall how “fresh” the wound on his forehead was, but this was a few months after surgery and after he had been put back to work, so obviously the staples were out, but I believe it was fairly noticeable. We didn’t focus on that at all though. In fact, the stuff I remember her saying had nothing to do with the obvious scar situation.

I remember Lydia saying some things that were eerie at the time: Like horse asking why we weren’t showing that day, when actually we were showing later, but how would Lydia know we hadn’t already shown as it was mid-afternoon at that point?? answer, I was wearing rust breeches (this was 6 years ago remember) and maybe she figured she would have seen me? still weird.

Horse also said he really liked the marshmallows, which I thought was weird as I had never given him marshmallows. Spoke with barmate a few days later who said she had given horse the last of the lucky charms box, hence the marshmallows. Again, eerie.

Some things didn’t pan out. She said horse requested a beer “the kind in the silver can”. I have offered him Coors and Asahi, neither of which he liked. He is an ex racehorse. Maybe I should just try Guinness. Maybe he’s color-blind?

She also said that he was sure his cyst was completely gone (which it has been since then, though it’s not like I x-ray him yearly at this point), but I’m not sure how she or he would know that so I just took that for what it was.

Another friend had her read her horse and she had the same experience. Some stuff dead on, some didn’t make sense. Her horse requested a fruit tray, which my friend made for him later and he was so excited for it, snorting and winnying, like someone had…read his mind.

Lydia made some recommendations to an equine chiropractor and said my horse requested an adjustment and had a sore neck (which I’m sure he did, but that kind of rec seems like something that would/could apply to every horse).

Overall, I would say it was definitely entertaining and I felt like she was “worth it”, but I was mostly there for a good time and was open minded.

More recently, I had a different AC read both of my greyhounds at the annual picnic (so in person) and she was way more hoaky. Lydia was just like a normal person who talks to animals. This lady was very new age and crystals and fringed shawls and stuff like that. First, she called my dog, whose name is Linus, Lioness the whole time and I figure if he were talking to her, he would have asked her to call him by his correct name. Hopefully he doesn’t think his name is Lioness. I forget everything else about her because she was so off on stuff.

I think if you are open-minded, it’s for sure an entertaining experience and it’s not like she’s gonna say he wants to be stabbed or something bad, she’ll make recommendations and claims and you can try them or not, but I doubt that it would be a net negative experience for you or the horse. The phone part does seem strange, but lots of people do it that way so who knows. I would go for in person if you can but either way I think it’s an experience.

I was not a believer and I do think there are a lot of scammers who give AC’s a bad name. But I was desperate for help with my horse and the vets had no answers. I had lost his BFF that I had raised with him the year before and I was so afraid I was going to lose him too. He is the first horse I bred and we have a great bond.

He was not happy to work under saddle and then became depressed. He was scoped and ulcers were found. He was treated with GG for a month and then was on ranitidine. He was still depressed and while usually super snuggly and in your face, he was very distant and would not interact with me. I brought him to another clinic and he was re-scoped, no ulcers. He had a thorough lameness and physical exam. Nothing was found.

So, very skeptically and desperately… I called an AC. I had only sent her a cropped head shot of the horse. And I was determined to give her no information for her reading.

The very first thing she said was “he misses his grey friend and is still looking for him”. His friend he grew up with who died was grey. They had been together from 6 weeks to 4 1/2 years. And then the AC chuckled a little. She said the horse was showing her an image of me falling off of my pedestal. She said he thought that I could fix everything and that is why he was ignoring/upset with me. This was about 10 years ago, so I don’t remember everything. I do remember she was right on about everything.
So, that is my one experience. And I would use the AC again if I was ever desperate again.

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[QUOTE=Texarkana;8379127]
No it doesn’t change things. A runner of any species doesn’t “know” if he’s going to win a race or not. Put down the Jane Smiley book. :slight_smile:

The term is animal communicator, not animal soothsayer. You can’t make claims for or against their validity based on whether or not they are cashing tickets at the window.[/QUOTE]

Seriously. Horses even less than humans have any idea what goes on with other competitors. Frankly I doubt they understand the concept of what they’re doing in any meaningful way. And talking to an athlete in a non-subjective sport isn’t useful when they ARE human–they can guess, but they’ll never know. (Now, yes, you can talk to any reasonable competitor in a subjectively-judged event and then can probably tell you the placings in advanced, but that’s just because that’s how those sports work. And even then unexpected things happen.) Testing would be something like bringing an AC in with a horse like mine (where basically every moment of his life is accounted for) and having them do a cold reading. Predicting race results is in no way an objective test because the horses at best barely understand ‘race’, can’t compare the competition, and of course even just for normal handicappers a complete sure thing can go tail-up in an instant.

Years ago I used I think… martawillams.com She’s in CA, so we did it by phone as I was in Maryland. I gave her so VERY little about the horse, and my questions were very vague…nothing to work form. And she was ON IT! Gave me answers about actions and behaviors that were very specific to my horse and told me how he got hurt (I didn’t even know he had been)…and was right on in the discpline in which he’d been broke and trained for … Called her again a couple years later, too…might do it again real soon on my latest horses…

Melelio, cool story, depending on the cost I might see if Marta can give me any info on my horse that was stolen. I’m hesitent though because I really don’t want to hear he is dead. Or even worse is that he is somewhere miserable and I can’t help him.

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8385257]
Good trainers are the real deal AC…they have a goal of getting results not just picking up on images or past trauma etc…yes some AC people have a sensitive nature that picks up on some things from horses or dogs…but that is different than training and inspiring an animal aka working toward a goal and achieving it with an animal[/QUOTE]

I think TOO MANY riders today are into uncovering “past trauma” as an excuse to substitute real or quack therapeutics for riding. A bad case of Too Much Information, be it real or imagined.

Years ago we were dumber than dirt about all the things that can go wrong with a horse, so we just plain screwed our hats down tight and Got It Done. A great many “past traumas” and “bad experiences” vanish in the face of a determined rider under good instruction, with a good independent seat and a following hand. Seat of steel and gloves of velvet, and not afraid to back it up with a smart tap from the bat if warranted. That will get you a thousand leagues farther than all the Munchausen By Proxy Syndrome you can dream up. My rule of thumb is, if a DVM passes the horse as sound, the problem is the RIDER, not the horse. Including me! :o

There are MANY people today who deep down love their horses best as pets and would be greatly relieved if they never had to ride them again. This is trending, so we need to understand it for what it is, and as professionals to know it when we see it. Some people will never be “riders,” but they can enjoy their horses on many other levels and I have learned to validate that point of view once the “train has sailed!” :wink:

[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;8389031]
I think TOO MANY riders today are into uncovering “past trauma” as an excuse to substitute real or quack therapeutics for riding. A bad case of Too Much Information, be it real or imagined.

Years ago we were dumber than dirt about all the things that can go wrong with a horse, so we just plain screwed our hats down tight and Got It Done. A great many “past traumas” and “bad experiences” vanish in the face of a determined rider under good instruction, with a good independent seat and a following hand. Seat of steel and gloves of velvet, and not afraid to back it up with a smart tap from the bat if warranted. That will get you a thousand leagues farther than all the Munchausen By Proxy Syndrome you can dream up. My rule of thumb is, if a DVM passes the horse as sound, the problem is the RIDER, not the horse. Including me! :o

There are MANY people today who deep down love their horses best as pets and would be greatly relieved if they never had to ride them again. This is trending, so we need to understand it for what it is, and as professionals to know it when we see it. Some people will never be “riders,” but they can enjoy their horses on many other levels and I have learned to validate that point of view once the “train has sailed!” ;)[/QUOTE]

Wow, how…patronizing… of you to judge other people. I have never used an AC, but I know some riders who do, three of which have have very successful riding and training careers -better than yours. I wonder how you’d explain that with your above “hypothesis”.

“Years ago”, people “got it done” (as you say) without recognizing saddle fit issues, various health issues, various bitting problems, and many of these horses either succombed to suffering or were “turned out” because people gave up on them. AC aside, back in the old days horses suffered from kissing spines, Lymes disease and EPSM, poor saddle fit, bad shoeing, bad training and drugs that forced horses through problems, etc., because people didn’t know any better. Today, we know better. 40 years from now, we’ll no better, still. I always have to laugh at the idea that “things were so much better in the old days”. Cigarettes were popular back then, too. So was lead paint and asbestos. :rolleyes:

If someone wants to use an AC and you don’t agree, try to shut up about it. Being condescending, especially when better riders and trainers than you have used them, and especially when the topic of the thread makes it clear that peoples’ opinion of ACs isn’t important to this thread, makes you look “mean”. Why be so mean?

I don’t know if I believe or not, but I am open minded to the whole idea. I’ve always wanted to try for entertainment purposes.

When I was a teenager, some of the ladies who boarded at my farm would call a communicator all the time. At one point when I was about 14, I had this OLD thoroughbred mare. We knew nothing about her history except that she had been a camp horse. Apparently she “interrupted” a reading on one of her pasture mates to tell the communicator that she “loved having her own kid.” Since she was supposedly so chatty, they started asking her questions about her past. One eerie coincidence was that she told the communicator that she had never jumped before, but she liked it and was trying her hardest. I had just started jumping the mare and she was acting utterly green, which surprised us given her age… It was quite coincidental that came up. Another thing she said was that my mare’s back hurt her a lot but she didn’t want to complain because she loved her kid. I remember the saddle I had and how it crunched down on her shark fin withers. I remember my instructor said it wasn’t a big deal because she didn’t act like it bothered her (not so great advice in hindsight). Again, quite coincidental.

In retrospect, I look back and wonder if the boarder just made the whole thing up to boost my 14 year old self esteem and make me get a properly fitting saddle. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=J-Lu;8389083]
Wow, how…patronizing… of you to judge other people. I have never used an AC, but I know some riders who do, three of which have have very successful riding and training careers -better than yours. I wonder how you’d explain that with your above “hypothesis”.

“Years ago”, people “got it done” (as you say) without recognizing saddle fit issues, various health issues, various bitting problems, and many of these horses either succombed to suffering or were “turned out” because people gave up on them. AC aside, back in the old days horses suffered from kissing spines, Lymes disease and EPSM, poor saddle fit, bad shoeing, bad training and drugs that forced horses through problems, etc., because people didn’t know any better. Today, we know better. 40 years from now, we’ll no better, still. I always have to laugh at the idea that “things were so much better in the old days”. Cigarettes were popular back then, too. So was lead paint and asbestos. :rolleyes:

If someone wants to use an AC and you don’t agree, try to shut up about it. Being condescending, especially when better riders and trainers than you have used them, and especially when the topic of the thread makes it clear that peoples’ opinion of ACs isn’t important to this thread, makes you look “mean”. Why be so mean?[/QUOTE]

40 years ago, before foam-molded panels, we didn’t have anything LIKE the number of saddle fitting problems seen today.

The jury is out on whether “kissing spines” is a pain generator or an incidental finding on imaging; Lyme was not yet endemic to the country (identified in 1988) and PSSM was well known as “Monday Morning Sickness” caused in the draft horse by the wrong combination of work, rest, and feed.

No, you New Agers have NOT reinvented as many wheels as you think. Bad shoeing, bad training, and bad hands are just as prevalent today as they were then.

What is different is there was a whole lot less SILLINESS, CHARLATANS and QUACKS, and a whole lot MORE horseman with generations-deep knowledge and experience.

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To those of you who feel that pointing out that criticizing “animal communication” by means other than hands on, observational effort is somehow “disrespectful” I have a question:

If a person were to walk into your barn and ask to see the unicorns how would you respond?

G.