Animal Communicator, Lidia Hiby

If a person were to walk into your barn and ask to see the unicorns how would you respond?

:wink:

If someone wants to use an AC and you don’t agree, try to shut up about it.

:eek:people should know by now that you cant control the responses to your topic.

It’s a discussion board- people will discuss even if it strays where you would rather it not go.

Wish I could find it again but several years ago someone posted her experience with an AC, She was a bit of a skeptic but also open minded so gave nothing away

Ac said her horse had a white sock

(She said no- no white sock)

AC then said - " HE wants a white sock"

:lol:

[QUOTE=Guilherme;8389362]
To those of you who feel that pointing out that criticizing “animal communication” by means other than hands on, observational effort is somehow “disrespectful” I have a question:

If a person were to walk into your barn and ask to see the unicorns how would you respond?

G.[/QUOTE]

Guillerme, I really question why you feel the need to ridicule people on this subject! People believe in God, Allah, Buddah, all sorts of things that cannot be proven by science. It’s called Faith, and it’s what gets us poor mortals through the day. If you don’t believe, fine, but for those that do, why do you feel the need to put them down? When someone is struggling, they often reach at straws just to feel as though they are doing something. I’m all for healthy discourse on the subject, but your response above was just plain unkind.

First of all, if you have faith a little ridicule isn’t going to change anything.

What is different is there was a whole lot less SILLINESS, CHARLATANS and QUACKS, and a whole lot MORE horseman with generations-deep knowledge and experience.

I think this sadly isn’t true – there were just as many silly quacks out there in the 19th and early 20th century as there are now, we just didn’t have the internet to find out about them so easily. And frankly, the public was a little more gullible as people were less educated and more willing to believe in things beyond their experience. As for more horsemen, maybe so, since in the past horses were still used for work, but they were worming them with tobacco and inventing shoes with stacks, tripping movie horses with wires to make them fall, and all the other things we realize were cruel now and are trying to get rid of.

“Faith” is on a spiritual level and is a very different thing from wishful-thinking belief in pseudoscience, junk science, or made-up-stuff. Apples and oranges. Nowhere in this thread is there any mention of AC as part of religious beliefs, so that’s a red-herring argument out of place.

When discussing effectiveness of diagnostics and treatments for a horse who is performing below expectations, the most salient issues to be addressed are:

(1) Horse’s soundness, including properly fitting and suitable equipment;
(2) Horse’s training and preparation, appropriate for the task at hand;
(3) RIDER’s training, preparation, fitness, and self-confidence to ride the horse.

Whether someone on the phone a thousand miles away who has never even seen an animal thinks his problems stem from wanting a green bucket vs. a blue one, or missing his mother, or would rather be turned out with the mare in the paisley blanket does not address those issues. The very idea it’s possible to have an ARGUMENT about this, in the 21st Century, with self-proclaimed intelligent adults is a SMH! :rolleyes:

But apparently the good people at Dover are willing to purvey nonsense to the gullible as well; witness blankets and boots made from “liquid titanium therapeutic fabrics,” “kineseology tape,” “ceramic” and “magnetic” wraps. Now we have “ionic” therapy blankets and blankets that dole out a “massage vibe.”
Much of this stuff costs hundreds and hundreds of dollars. NOT A BIT OF IT has anything worthy of the name of “evidence” to support its use. But if you want to believe that duct-taping your horse’s a$$ has majickal properties, well, it’s your money.

Show me a readily reproducible randomized, placebo-controlled trial that shows “proof” of any of these things, AC included, and I’ll stop deflecting the “struggling” from patronizing charlatans who are ripping them off and profiting from their desperation.

I am not disagreeing with Lady Eboshi (except a little for the increase in charlatans, that’s still the same imo), but I have to say I think this is faith and not pseudo science, since no one that believes this stuff has ever suggested it has any scientific basis. They have faith it’s not made up and have no interest in trying to prove that it works under controlled conditions. The people who do it believe it, or I assume they do since they are in business providing this service, and since it is often “eerily correct” the people who pay for it also believe it, and apparently derive satisfaction from the services provided. So why bother to test it?

The thing about the horse wanting “beer” from a silver can just got to me. How does the horse know that the beverage he drank is beer? So he shows an image of a silver can … but it could have been cola, right? How does a horse know to identify a liquid as beer, as opposed to water, or soda, or orange juice in a picture in someone’s mind? We know something is beer because someone tells us the word “beer” when we taste it. How can an image convey a taste? If you gave me a silver can of a liquid I never had before, I wouldn’t know what the hell it was and certainly couldn’t ask for it by name again. I would have to say I liked the drink from the silver (I assume since the horse talks in color images, the AC could see it was silver, horse doesn’t know the word silver, either) can, I want that again. I don’t know the name of it. Oh wait, maybe the person giving the horse the drink said, “here have a beer” a bunch of times and the horse learned the word…Why do I bother, but I am bored and on the internet.

[QUOTE=Kwill;8389718]
I am not disagreeing with Lady Eboshi (except a little for the increase in charlatans, that’s still the same imo), but I have to say I think this is faith and not pseudo science, since no one that believes this stuff has ever suggested it has any scientific basis. They have faith it’s not made up and have no interest in trying to prove that it works under controlled conditions. The people who do it believe it, or I assume they do since they are in business providing this service, and since it is often “eerily correct” the people who pay for it also believe it, and apparently derive satisfaction from the services provided. So why bother to test it?

The thing about the horse wanting “beer” from a silver can just got to me. How does the horse know that the beverage he drank is beer? So he shows an image of a silver can … but it could have been cola, right? How does a horse know to identify a liquid as beer, as opposed to water, or soda, or orange juice in a picture in someone’s mind? We know something is beer because someone tells us the word “beer” when we taste it. How can an image convey a taste? If you gave me a silver can of a liquid I never had before, I wouldn’t know what the hell it was and certainly couldn’t ask for it by name again. I would have to say I liked the drink from the silver (I assume since the horse talks in color images, the AC could see it was silver, horse doesn’t know the word silver, either) can, I want that again. I don’t know the name of it. Oh wait, maybe the person giving the horse the drink said, “here have a beer” a bunch of times and the horse learned the word…Why do I bother, but I am bored and on the internet.[/QUOTE]

And now you’ve got me thinking about a BEER!! :smiley:

I believe in beer. :smiley:

[QUOTE=downen;8389619]
Guillerme, I really question why you feel the need to ridicule people on this subject! People believe in God, Allah, Buddah, all sorts of things that cannot be proven by science. It’s called Faith, and it’s what gets us poor mortals through the day. If you don’t believe, fine, but for those that do, why do you feel the need to put them down? When someone is struggling, they often reach at straws just to feel as though they are doing something. I’m all for healthy discourse on the subject, but your response above was just plain unkind.[/QUOTE]

Not ridicule, proof. Happy anecdotes are not “proof.” I’m also morally offended by people who take financial advantage of those who are “emotionally vulnerable.” This is true even if the victim is an adult. Somebody who’s “heart horse” has a problem almost defines the idea of “emotional vulnerability.”

And my question stands.

G.

Actually-- on the blanket question-- there is a scientific study I read about horses expressing preference for certain blankets depending on the weather. I will hunt up the link and post it. Make of it what you will!

ETA Here is the link. http://www.equitationscience.com/documents/Media/ISES_2014%20DENMARK%20Communication%20through%20symbol%20use%20-%20a%20novel%20method%20to%20study%20horse%20preferences%20for%20blanketing%20.pdf

[QUOTE=Guilherme;8389805]
Not ridicule, proof. Happy anecdotes are not “proof.” I’m also morally offended by people who take financial advantage of those who are “emotionally vulnerable.” This is true even if the victim is an adult. Somebody who’s “heart horse” has a problem almost defines the idea of “emotional vulnerability.”

And my question stands.

G.[/QUOTE]
You don’t believe in god, then, right?

[QUOTE=SillyHorse;8390002]
You don’t believe in god, then, right?[/QUOTE]

What I believe is irrelevant.

The question stands.

G.

I disagree. If you believe in god, you cannot dismiss other possibilities for lack of proof, without showing yourself to be a hypocrite.

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AC …what can one say…some believe in healing crystals, four leaf clovers etc. To me, for the most part, AC are harmless, a few may be genuinely intuitive. What bugs me more is the people who believe in them…because these same people bristle at a useful comment from those around them at the barn about their horse (have seen this attitude over and over, ) , they would not dream about asking the groom who cares for horse every day their opinion and probably tune out what they don’t’ want to hear from their own trainer. Yet they will believe a reading over the telephone from someone 500 miles away .

Why does an AC have to ask age of the horse? IF horse are sentient beings with enough awareness to miss a stable mate or want a blanket, surely they have an awareness of passing of time and seasons hot/cold/winter etc…they may not count in years but they have an innate awareness of age how could they not. An AC claims to read animal’s energy/state of mind/level of soundness yet can’t pick up on age and has to ask the owner?

I bet a farrier has a better read on most horses …

A girlfriend of mine was struggling to find the best boarding facility for her mare. She had tried several barns over the course of a year and a half and decided that she would check with an AC to determine which one the mare liked best.

I tried to discourage her as I felt that SHE could determine the best fit better than the AC, but so it goes. She spoke with someone that was on the opposite coast over the phone. According to my girlfriend, she was spot on regarding her mare’s behaviours and concerns. Evidently the mare picked the barn that had 11 horses already there.

So, my very intelligent, nurse practioner, married to an MD girlfriend headed out to count horses. None had 11, but she picked the one that came the closest.

During their follow up conversation, AC told my girlfriend that horse was indeed now very happy where she was. BUT, there was something coming down the pike with her KIDS that she should be worried about. And for another $40 bucks, she was going to tell her just what it was…

My girlfriend hung up the phone and felt pretty foolish. I definitely don’t judge those that believe and have had good experiences. My BM, who is terrific, is a believer. But there are definitely loads of scammers in this arena and one has to be very careful before shelling out cash…

[QUOTE=SillyHorse;8390025]
I disagree. If you believe in god, you cannot dismiss other possibilities for lack of proof, without showing yourself to be a hypocrite.[/QUOTE]

You might be right, but this isn’t about me. I refuse to become the center of the argument.

The question stands.

G.

I don’t doubt that there are people that walk the earth that are intuitive, and healers…I actually am pretty intuitive myself. There have been several times that I have said something to someone, or done something and they look at me with disbelief and say “its like you read my mind.” I think I just pay attention more than others, and therefore pick up on things that might other wise go unnoticed.

that being said, there are a lot of scammers out there. This summer on fluke, I went into a palm reader in Portland ME. one of those, $10 and I will read your palm deals. The sky was about to open with the most intense of thunderstorms, and I figured if nothing else it would be entertainment while I weathered the storm.

At first she seemed spot on…“you care more than others, you are easily hurt…” but then she digressed “you haven’t been eating well, you can’t seem to get what you want out of life.” And there the power of suggestion kicked in…

I knew this song and dance though, so I said to her “you are one of those that is going to tell me you need to cleanse my aura of a black cloud that is hanging over me?”

She looked kind of shocked and then said “well yes, you do need it.”

“How much?”

Her “well to start its $90.”

I laughed at her and got out of my seat. Just as I emerged from the store, the sky let out and the most intense five minutes of thunder and rain and wind hit the city. There was a sort of peace to it.

Anyway, my point is that I think a lot of it is just about suggestion. Just like above where someone said “beer” and then someone wanted beer.

Anyone who is interested should read:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Power-Your-Subconscious-Mind/dp/1614270198

This is a great book.

The AC needs to interperet things like “beer”. It’s not like a direct translation from horse to owner. It’s mostly IMHO/Expereince impressions, feelings, and images.

I asked if there was one trainer my horse liked best, and I had to probe a lot to understand what the horse was trying to tell me-- not knowng names and things-- I finally had to say “the one that talks loud?” yes!

I’m a die hard believer, but not everything they say “hit me” as relevant. But it’s what the horse is communicating, not what I think.

And as I said, I’m also a communicator of sorts.

[QUOTE=Guilherme;8390076]
You might be right, but this isn’t about me. I refuse to become the center of the argument.

The question stands.

G.[/QUOTE]
No, it doesn’t. If you believe in god, then you believe in things that can’t be proven, so dismissing animal communication because it can’t be proven is hypocritical and negates your position.

[QUOTE=SillyHorse;8390191]
No, it doesn’t. If you believe in god, then you believe in things that can’t be proven, so dismissing animal communication because it can’t be proven is hypocritical and negates your position.[/QUOTE]

My beliefs are not in issue; the reliability of non-sensory AC is.

You’re attempt to put me at the center of the discussion is intellectually dishonest.

Will you answer my question?

G.

[QUOTE=Guilherme;8390312]
My beliefs are not in issue; the reliability of non-sensory AC is.

You’re attempt to put me at the center of the discussion is intellectually dishonest.

Will you answer my question?

G.[/QUOTE]

I have no idea what your question was and I wouldn’t attempt to answer it. You appear to never hear the answer unless it’s something you agree with. If you were five it might be cute.

To the poster that mentioned a horse that asked for a white sock… the ac might be all wet, or maybe the horse was showing the ac a white sock as in a leg wrap. Don’t know, I wasn’t there. And there are charlatans that take advantage of someone in emotional turmoil and there are intuitives that help with emotional healing. Don’t knock it if you haven’t needed it.