Animed Remission for the non IR horse?

[kashmere]

My current mare is the first I’ve had without great feet. My last TB girl had big giant dinner plates on the end of her legs and the only help she needed was shoeing when we were working consistently over fences. My gelding had the Worlds Best Feet, was barefoot his whole life (29 years) and never took a step wrong.

So, I’ve been spoiled :lol:

My current girl doesn’t have awful feet, but they are small-ish, with shallow soles and thin wall and prone to cracks. She is currently shod all around and we have no soundness problems. My farrier suggested a feed through supplement with lysine/methionine/zinc/biotin. He gave a few suggestions, but basically said find the ingredients above in good concentration and go from there.

I’ve been poking around and found Animed Remission, which seems to tick all of the boxes. The bonus for me, is that in addition it also has magnesium. My mare is on a mag supplement currently, and if I’m able to condense into one supp, it’s a whole lot easier for the lovely and accommodating manager at my barn.

Given that Remission is specifically formulated for IR/founder prone horses, is there anything that should give me pause before using it on my decidedly not IR horse?

[UrbanHennery]

I’ve been feeding to my non IR QH for 3 years for the same reasons and haven’t had any issues. I started using because I give it to my mini mule as a preventative (she’s chronically fat).

[tazycat]

I use it on my 3 horses none of which are IR or prone to be IR. Been feeding it just over a week. The 3 year old OTTB whos pretty spooky seems to have settled down a bit. Hoping it will calm the 4 year old a bit he’s pretty nervy, uptight to ride.

Will see if it helps the feet also, i’am sure it will take sometime before it effect’s hoof quality.

No ill effects on my horses from feeding it to horses who are not IR or prone to it.

[caryledee]

I have had my guys on this for years. One needed a lysine supplement and one needed a magnesium supplement so this fit the bill. Both are TBs and not even close to IR. I can’t say I have noticed it providing any kind of calming or that their feet are better. My chestnut still has crappy feet and my bay is still just as spooky. I add Animed Via Calm when he is in a stressful situation and it does wonders for him. I just don’t think there is enough magnesium to make a huge difference in his attitude. But he is a headshaker and those symptoms are much better. Incidently, Tractor Supply’s Dumor Hoof is a great inexpensive supplement for feet.

[JB]

I’m curious why you’d choose Remission over, say, Farrier’s Formula. FF has more methionine (which is needed for biotin use) at 5.2gm compared to 3gm (in the context of about 7gm for an average 1100lb horse), and more zinc, and has copper. Remission does have more lysine, but we’re still talking 2.15gm compared to 1.55gm (in the context of the necessary 25gm or more for most horses). Remission does have Mg that FF doesn’t, at 6gm, but IMHO that isn’t worth the reduction of the other nutritients that are more likely to be deficient in a diet.

There’s nothing about Remission that would be harmful for a non-IR horse. I just think there are better choices for a hoof supplement.

[kashmere]

JB - my interest in Remission specifically was the addition of magnesium. My mare is on a mag supplement currently, and I was interested in the possibility of finding a supplement that filled both those needs. I’m not totally wedded to the idea, just poking around and seeing what my options are

Thank you for the comparative analysis - super helpful!

[JB]

I agree that’s a nice bonus. My thoughts on a hoof supplement are that they should provide reasonably high levels of the things we know have a direct impact on feet - lysine, methionine, copper, zinc, biotin, if those things are likely to be low (or you don’t know if they are).

It’s not that Mg doesn’t impact them, as it does, and Mg deficiency seems to be more common than many thing (in people too). But lysine and methionine are also common deficiencies, and IME are more likely to be a cause of hoof quality issues, than Mg, unless of course Mg is really deficient (in which case you’re probably seeing body issues too).

So for me, using Remission as a hoof supplement would have me adding lysine and methionine, which negates the 1-stop-scooping LOL

I’m actually doing a full growth cycle trial of Uckele’s Omega Hoof to see if it makes a difference for one of mine with thinner, flatter soles. He already gets 10gm lysine and 5gm methionine, and additional cu/zn, on top of all his forage (all grass for now, will be mostly hay come November or so), so we’ll see.

[JB]

Oh, one last thought:

This is all trial and error, unfortunately. It’s not even enough, IMHO, to know the analysis of everything the horse is eating, because we have no idea the degree to which he, that individual, actually digests it all.

That’s why you’ll see review of FF for example, where it’s worked wonders, and did nothing. Same for all hoof supplements. Even accounting for horses whose feet are never going to get healthier due to genetics (so no supplement will work), it’s not like every horse is deficient in the things typically in hoof supplements, or they are deficient to a greater degree.

Heck, a few people here have seen improvement when they started adding MSM! Sulfur is a necessary component of healthy horn quality, but not often something a horse needs more of, unless he happens to be one who maybe just doesn’t process it efficiently.

[kashmere]

The Mg supp was vet recommended due to odd musculature/sweating/behaviours that went away full stop about halfway through the loading dose. She’s now on a small maintenance dose and is a happy, healthy camper - with slightly cruddy feet :lol:

The other supp I’ve looked into aside from FF- which is actually really difficult for me to get locally (Eastern Canada!) is this one:

https://www.horseherbs.com/product/hoofmaster-pellets/

The analysis is (per 75mg - the maintenance dose for an 1100lb horse):

3000 mg methionine
750 mg lysine
78.5 mg biotin
150 mg zinc
60 mg copper

plus some other things, including flaxseed, manganese, cobalt, and iodine.

From my research - and what I’m reading here - this seems like it might be a good bet, and is much, much easier for me to get my hands on. Our postal service may be going on strike in the near future and I’d like to avoid having to order stuff in.

[EquestrianRunner]

We used Animed Remission for my IR QH and for my non-IR TB. the TB had horrible feet-- after about 9-12 months on the Remission his feet were noticeably better (and he had been on another hoof supplement for years!). And it is not expensive!!! Always a good thing!!! It worked fabulously for us – cannot recommend it enough! I wish it came in a pellet, since my TB is kinda picky about powders, but that is literally the only negative.