Too many hunters drink alcohol when they are hunting, even in the early morning. And since they sometimes shoot other hunters, even those who do wear orange, hunters are dangerous to horses. But at least if the hunter is walking the fence line, maybe he won’t shoot deer in the pasture where horses are. Maybe.
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Too many hunters drink alcohol when they are hunting, even in the early morning. And since they sometimes shoot other hunters, even those who do wear orange, hunters are dangerous to horses. But at least if the hunter is walking the fence line, maybe he won’t shoot deer in the pasture where horses are. Maybe.[/QUOTE]
Well I have no reason to believe he’s doing anything wrong; he seemed sober, had his license on him, etc. And it’s bow-only here, so not a lot of danger of being shot accidentally.
But, he did not seem to think being that close to my property line was a problem - since he had permission to be on the other property. I truly would have to check the survey to know for sure, but think he was on my property. For what it’s worth, the other person owns a strip 100 feet wide in that area. That’s all. So, no matter where he was on the property, the chances of his arrow falling on someone else’s land is pretty high.
Again, if I had 75 acres and never went near that side of the property, I wouldn’t really care. The issue is that I walk within feet of that spot several times a day, with my dogs off leash, thinking I am alone and not in anyone’s hunting sights.
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As a lifetime hunter, it is both tacky and quite rude to hunt property edges and cause problems for the neighbors (by ruining their own hunting or other use of their own property). Also rather stupid since, as someone else pointed out, they can legally pursue a wounded animal only on property where they have written permission to be. Even mortally wounded, a deer can travel surprisingly long distances in unexpected directions.
You have every right to approach hunters and ask to see their written permission from the property owner. You also have the legal right to expect that someone will not be shooting across your property.[/QUOTE]
If the hunter is on adjacent property I would be surprised if the OP has the legal right to see his written permission. Somebody from the Fish and Game Department could but I don’t think it’s any of your business as an adjacent property owner to see his written permission for that adjacent property
Hunters are the bane of my existence. It doesn’t matter how many posted signs, keep out signs, no hunting fishing or trapping signs, and fences you have up, they still trespass. I don’t care that the farm has 110 acres I pay the taxes. Owning a large parcel of land does not give others the right to use it. I don’t know how many times a year I have to throw hunters out. DH hates it as well, because I am out there alone facing 4 or more armed men, telling them to get the heck out.
Then they have the audacity to crab at me or worse about throwing them off MY land. Or they cant believe or dream I would tell the no. One even had his mother accost me in public because I threw him out. Apparently he thought he was special. Yeah I really hate hunters and hunting season. They cut fence, leave gates open, let loose livestock, damage my property, and have hurt my animals. Believe me I can commiserate with you OP. Rant over.
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If the hunter is on adjacent property I would be surprised if the OP has the legal right to see his written permission. Somebody from the Fish and Game Department could but I don’t think it’s any of your business as an adjacent property owner to see his written permission for that adjacent property[/QUOTE]
Allow me to rephrase: A legit hunter, with permission, will be glad to talk to the OP and show his credentials. ESPECIALLY if the asker identifies herself as the owner of the property a few feet away. Refusal to do so is a huge red flag and generally indicates someone who isn’t supposed to be there, and a reason to talk to the neighboring property owner (and snap a cell phone pic, if possible). Many poachers will move on if they know the property owners are talking to each other.
Hunters! Two years ago, a friend of mine happened to walk out the back door of her indoor arena to find a hunter starting to enter her one of her occupied turnouts. He had shot a deer that then had jumped her fence and laid down in the paddock. It was pretty obvious that he intended to trespass to finish it off. She had some angry words and then called DNR to report the incident.
This guy was set up just about where the three property lines come together - to the extent I’d have to get out my survey to know for sure that he wasn’t on my property…
I would invest in some metal property line discs and get your survey out and mark you property line well so everyone knows where it is
mount them at eye height and before hunting season go out and do some blaze orange streamers to highlight the signs
I live in the Texas Hill Country, which attracts hordes of people who like to kill things during hunting season. They are total jerks. They wear their stupid camo clothes into the quick mart to load up on all their beer, leave carcasses on the side of the road, and throw out all kinds of trash. They set feeders on timers, and shoot deer and turkey at the feeders. Then they take their Facebook pictures of their chubby grinning selves over the dead animal with the feeder cropped out.
I had a neighbor up a blind close to my property line. I put up No Trespassing signs, as well as “Under Camera Surveillance” signs, and parked my truck facing the fence line. I don’t think they ever used that blind.
OP, if I may suggest…it might be a good idea for you to be not just making noise on your early morning walks during hunting season, but also put on some blaze orange" just to be sure. A cheap vest will do the trick.
It sounds like the hunter you have nearby isn’t likely a big problem but it’s good you’re checking into things just the same. A few years ago a couple of dudes were walking just behind my property (rifles, not bow) following a game trail and I had to suggest to them that it wasn’t anywhere near a safe area to hunt with all the houses. They were not pleased to hear that, but when I pointed out that any direction they turned they would be either shooting at a house or a limestone cliff, they eventually understood my point. Honestly, I think they were from “far out of town”…like somewhere near NYC…and were just randomly picking places to hunt.
Wow, I guess I’ve been pretty lucky compared to some of you - but really, the property isn’t very good for hunting so maybe that’s why.
I do generally wear blaze orange during hunting season, and two of my dogs wear bells (the two that are likely to range further). But, it is bow-only in this part of my county, so I feel pretty safe. Plus it’s nearly completely open and cleared fields, so we’re pretty visible. (All the more reason why it’s not really appropriate for hunting unless you’re poaching into the posted properties to the sides. Sigh.)
Maybe it’s a blessing I don’t own more property…just more to patrol/control from others. I am constantly amazed at the number of people that either cut through without permission, or ask for permission to “ride their ATVs” on my land (which, being so small, is about a 1 minute ride…so they are just looking for access to trespass on the adjacent properties. :mad: )
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I’m trying to decide if I have a right to be annoyed or not.
Walking my dogs this morning I stumbled (almost quite literally) over a guy in camo sitting 20ft from the edge of my property line. I was actually walking on our neighbor’s property (I have permission) and trespassing a little into the woods of the nearby factory.
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No one else is chuckling at the righteous indignation that someone was near the OP’s property line, while she herself was trespassing on posted adjacent factory land?
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No one else is chuckling at the righteous indignation that someone was near the OP’s property line, while she herself was trespassing on posted adjacent factory land?[/QUOTE]
I figured someone would say that. We walked 20 feet inside the edge of the woods for 1/4 mile. I don’t really think that compares to the hunters that routinely poach that property (which would includes this guy, since that’s what he was doing too). And, I live here…unlike the hunters that drive here simply to trespass and hunt illegally. Probably the factory itself would not begrudge my walking through the woods, but have tried repeatedly to block access to snowmobilers, ATV riders and dirt bikers that cut through their property on their way to trespass on more property.
But, yes. I was not on my own property for at least 5 minutes.
My righteous indignation isn’t because someone was ON my property - I’ve said repeatedly that if I had more land I probably wouldn’t even care. It’s that someone is hunting 20 feet from where I walk my dogs every morning without my knowledge.
I would just casually talk to the neighbor and say you saw the hunter this morning next to your land on your walk, etc. and see what he has to say. If he really told the hunter to hunt the other side of his place maybe he will speak to the friend and fix it for you. Not complain, per se, but just a friendly word. Sometimes “friends” overstep a little. Maybe neighbor doesn’t know he’s in that spot. It sounds like your neighbor might have told him to hunt the other side of the property.
I wouldn’t cause trouble because it’s not my property but it’s worth a friendly chat. I have a very good relationship with my neighbors and like to keep it that way, but I’m pretty sure you can at least see what’s what without causing any strife at all. DON’T be the least adversarial, just nice and friendly and “want to keep everyone safe so you want to see where everyone plans to hunt” like. Take Christmas cookies.
Honestly, OP, if the hunter was not on your property and had permission to be on the property he was on and was operating within the hunting regulations, you have no right to do anything. If you are that worried about accidentally getting shot, stay away - the best way to prevent an accident is to avoid the situation that increases the odds of the accident happening. Since he is doing nothing wrong, and not on your property, you can’t change anything about him, you can only change something about yourself.
I see no reason for righteous indignation - the hunter is not doing anything wrong and no laws are being broken.
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I would just casually talk to the neighbor and say you saw the hunter this morning next to your land on your walk, etc. and see what he has to say. It sounds like your neighbor might have told him to hunt the other side of the property.
Take Christmas cookies.[/QUOTE]
Yes, this is what I will do. I can’t take cookies because no one lives there; it’s a commercial property so I will have to wait until I see him. But I agree - it’s likely that he doesn’t know, and wouldn’t have approved of his location - his girlfriend walks her dogs there every day as well; and he might have a larger interest in being a good neighbor to us than to allow a buddy to hunt. We have an informal agreement to use each other’s property, which is somewhat necessary for them to get their large trucks in and out.
[QUOTE=Palm Beach;8439790]Honestly, OP, if the hunter was not on your property and had permission to be on the property he was on and was operating within the hunting regulations, you have no right to do anything. If you are that worried about accidentally getting shot, stay away - the best way to prevent an accident is to avoid the situation that increases the odds of the accident happening. Since he is doing nothing wrong, and not on your property, you can’t change anything about him, you can only change something about yourself.
I see no reason for righteous indignation - the hunter is not doing anything wrong and no laws are being broken.[/QUOTE]
I wasn’t planning on doing anything - just wondering if I had a right to be annoyed, and others have said that yes - it’s rude to hunt someone’s property line. I totally agree that he had permission to be on the adjacent property, and I believe he is hunting legally. It’s a question as to whether it’s ok to hunt within feet of someone’s property without their knowledge or permission.
As for staying away - honestly, I would have to just not use a lot of my own property to avoid being within shooting distance of my neighbor’s property. Neither parcel is very big.
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I wasn’t planning on doing anything - just wondering if I had a right to be annoyed, and others have said that yes - it’s rude to hunt someone’s property line. I totally agree that he had permission to be on the adjacent property, and I believe he is hunting legally. [B]It’s a question as to whether it’s ok to hunt within feet of someone’s property without their knowledge or permission.
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Ok legally or OK as in “a good neighbor”. A stand facing a certain direction doesn’t mean he is going to shoot that way. I’d be relatively annoyed, but being a good neighbor goes both ways.
Oh, I think you have the right to be annoyed. I have 7 acres of mostly wooded property that backs up to a large farm. A couple of people have permission from the farmer to hunt the property. I routinely walk my dog in the woods along my property line and my next door neighbor’s property, whose permission I have to do so. I stumble onto hunters at least once every new season, sometimes as often as once a week. One guy had the nerve to bitch that I ruined his opening day. My response was - I’m on my own property, using it as I see fit. You are not. Your hunting does not supersede my right to use MY OWN PROPERTY.
OP - if you get a chance to speak to your neighbor, see if hunter is in the spot he agreed to. My farmer knows that we are not ok with the hunters right on our property line, and he always tells the ones he gives permission to that they have to be on the other side of the property. They always end up on our side as the deer are much more plentiful on our side. It is far enough back that he can’t see them when they come in - so if we let him know they are set up on our side - he always gets them back into the agreed zone.
I’ve thought about this and while I sympathise with the OP I have a very hard time understanding why she is persisting in perseverating about the details of this situation.
As far as I can tell, the hunter is behaving legally. He both has permission to hunt on the land he is hunting on, and is not hunting in a dangerous way. He isn’t within the number of feet of an abode, he’s on the correct land.
OP - the direction a blind is “facing” isn’t the direction the hunter points his gun in. The hunter is not allowed to take down a deer on your land, even if he can see your land from where he stands/sits/ perches. As far as I can read, he hasn’t.
Here in the north east, hunters arre out at this time of the year. As riders and hikers, we make ourselves aware of what is in season. That tells us what kind of arms are being used out in the woods, such as bows, rifles, shotguns, crossbows, at any given time we decide to go out into the woods. Where I am, there is no hunting on Sunday. Because of this, many of us just don’t go out into the woods during deer season. We just cannot in good conscience ride into the fields and meadows during upland birds; we would spook the game for the hunters. Turkeys are usually hunted in the very early morning and at dusk. We wear reflective and bright colors on us and our horses and stick to the main trails. We listen for who is shooting where and make ourselves known.
OP, you live next to a neighbor who hunts on his land. He is going to be huntin gon his land, and I’ll bet he is really happy and pleased he has the land to hunt on, either himself or his friends. If you don’t want to live next to a neighbor who hunts on his land, buy his land.
Would I be annoyed if my own acitivities were curtailed because of hunting season? I don’t think I call it annoyed. I call it being a good neighbor. I stay away from the areas which aren’t safe, and I don’t interfere with other’s use and enjoyment of their land, and, no, I really don’t think you should be annoyed.
I think you need to just change how you use your land near your neighbor’s hunting in that season.
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It’s that someone is hunting 20 feet from where I walk my dogs every morning without my knowledge.[/QUOTE]
See, but you do know. Your neighbor told you he had someone hunting on his property. And now you know they will be coming up on your side of his property. So if I were you, I wouldn’t be out walking my dogs during hunting season that part of my property. AND, I wouldn’t be walking on his property during hunting season, whether I had permission or not. That’s just selfish and stupid. As for tresspassing on the factory property, do that at your own risk!! Chances are you are going to meet up with someone else tresspassing there, and who knows who that will be, and you don’t have any right to be concerning yourself with that!
I didn’t realize the OP was feeling rightous indignation about wanting to walk on the neighbor’s property during hunting season! I don’t care if you have permission or not, that’s just nuts. Stay out of his woods! He uses it for hunting! If you want to go on his side of your property and patrol the boundary line, that’s your business, but being out near where you know hunters are during hunting season is risky, in my opinion. I hope you and your animals are wearing orange.
If I was your neighbor, I would recind permission for you to be on my property during hunting season. If I were you, I would self-impose that just to be smart. It would be like if you had a neighbor you gave permission to walk her dogs on your property, but had weekend horse shows on it during the fall and she was all up in arms because horses agitated her dogs when she walked on your property and they wrenched her arms out of her sockets going crazy, and she couldn’t walk along the edge of your property, or on it like she always does because now you are using it.
Stay away from you neighbor during hunting season, and be glad you can enjoy all of the property boundaires during the parts of the year you do.
I think you are confused on what a hunter needs as far as land for hunting. A huge lot of woods is not needed.
My land is open, with a hedge row at the edges and a small hedge row 2/3 of the way back and only 15 acres. The family I let hunt my land get quite a few deer. The hunters hang in the cover of the hedge row and the deer enter the open field and they have a nice shot.
A hunter with permission, sitting on land he has permission to be on, aiming in the direction of that land would not bother me even if he was sitting in the hedge row which put him close to my land. Not my land, not my business.
