I just can’t get past the idea of who expects they can go walking in woods when they know people are hunting nearby? I would be concerned that I would interfere with their hunting, as well. I would be embarassed to admit I was all annoyed because the neighbor was using his own property.
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I’m trying to decide if I have a right to be annoyed or not. [/QUOTE]
Of course you have the right to be annoyed. There’s no “law” against feelings.
However, I do agree that legally, the hunter does not appear to be doing anything wrong.
You’re the one trespassing … and you’re mad at him?
[QUOTE=S1969;8437933]
although he is definitely hunting over the factory property, which is posted.)[/QUOTE]
Is is possible he could have permission to hunt that?
[QUOTE=S1969;8437933]
I know that the neighbor (owns the vacant property) had given a buddy permission to hunt, but the area he was supposed to be in was not adjacent to my property, and quite a ways from where I normally walk. [/QUOTE]
How do you know what “area he was supposed to be in” to hunt?
Truthfully, you have no idea what conversation your neighbor and this hunter had.
[QUOTE=S1969;8437933]
But it seems that instead, this guy has probably been sitting within spitting distance of me walking my dogs every morning for 2 months.[/QUOTE]
So sounds like the hunter has done a pretty good job of NOT bothering you.
Check your local laws. Even though your property is small, the hunter may still very well be within the law for how far he has to be from a house in order to shoot.
If it bothers you so much, you certainly could have a conversation with him and politely ask him to sit somewhere else. But I guess don’t be surprised if he likes his spot and wants to continue to sit there; especially when it doesn’t sound like he is doing anything wrong.
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You have every right to approach hunters and ask to see their written permission from the property owner. [/QUOTE]
I don’t know about that. The neighbor’s property is not the OP’s property. Why would the hunter have any legal obligation to show his “permission slip” to someone who has nothing to do with the property?
On the flip side, the hunter could then ask the OP to see her written permission to walk her dogs on the neighbor’s property.
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Of course you have the right to be annoyed. There’s no “law” against feelings.
However, I do agree that legally, the hunter does not appear to be doing anything wrong.
You’re the one trespassing … and you’re mad at him?
Is is possible he could have permission to hunt that?
How do you know what “area he was supposed to be in” to hunt?
Truthfully, you have no idea what conversation your neighbor and this hunter had.
So sounds like the hunter has done a pretty good job of NOT bothering you.
Check your local laws. Even though your property is small, the hunter may still very well be within the law for how far he has to be from a house in order to shoot.
If it bothers you so much, you certainly could have a conversation with him and politely ask him to sit somewhere else. But I guess don’t be surprised if he likes his spot and wants to continue to sit there; especially when it doesn’t sound like he is doing anything wrong.
I don’t know about that. The neighbor’s property is not the OP’s property. Why would the hunter have any legal obligation to show his “permission slip” to someone who has nothing to do with the property?
On the flip side, the hunter could then ask the OP to see her written permission to walk her dogs on the neighbor’s property.[/QUOTE]
Agreed on all accounts. :applause:
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OP, you live next to a neighbor who hunts on his land. He is going to be huntin gon his land, and I’ll bet he is really happy and pleased he has the land to hunt on, either himself or his friends. If you don’t want to live next to a neighbor who hunts on his land, buy his land.
I think you need to just change how you use your land near your neighbor’s hunting in that season.[/QUOTE]
Actually, no this is not true. The person who owns the land is not the person who is hunting. He gave permission to someone to bow hunt, and told us that this person would be “between xxx line and xxx line and the railroad tracks” - aka not near our property. I have actually been avoiding that entire side of his property because I was aware that he had someone hunting it.
So to find someone sandwiched on the 100’ strip between my property and the posted factory woods took me by surprise - particularly because it’s where I walk my dogs off lead every day. On my property AND the other property - with that owner’s permission.
I know that it is possible to bowhunt on small acreage - but this is really quite small, unless you expect the very real possibility of shooting onto, and/or a wounded animal tracking onto other people’s property. It’s basically two wide open fields with narrow strips (e.g. 50-100’) of woods in between them.
And no, I’m 100% positive that the factory would not give a hunter permission to hunt that strip of woods either. But people do, all the time.
[QUOTE=beau159;8440077]
How do you know what “area he was supposed to be in” to hunt?
Truthfully, you have no idea what conversation your neighbor and this hunter had. [/QUOTE]
Actually, not sure who peed in your Cheerios this morning - but yes, I do know where this guy was supposed to be hunting. And even though we also have permission to walk dogs on the next adjacent neighbor’s vacant property - we haven’t done that all season out of respect for someone that might be hunting in that vicinity.
Since the property owner doesn’t actually live here, it’s possible he has no idea where the guy really has been hunting. Or maybe he knew he changed locations and forgot to mention it.
As for local laws - I have never said that I didn’t think he was hunting legally. Just that he was offensively close to my property line.
[QUOTE=Ambitious Kate;8440039]
I just can’t get past the idea of who expects they can go walking in woods when they know people are hunting nearby? I would be concerned that I would interfere with their hunting, as well. I would be embarassed to admit I was all annoyed because the neighbor was using his own property.[/QUOTE]
That’s certainly an interesting interpretation of what I wrote.
[QUOTE=walkers;8438439]
Not only do hunters have tree stands on my property line but one person has a stand in the woods facing the gravel road into the subdivision. So he would be shooting across the road and there are plenty of deer that eat in the grasses along the drive.I called the county and they took care of it as the stand is gone. So what kind of idiot does that. I’m so sick of hearing about “responsible” hunters, sure but then there are all these idiots and half of them drunk. All I know is the easiest way to get away with murder in this county(besides being a cop) is the classic “hunting accident” .
So every am and pm I go out target shooting to make sure all the deer leave my area. Its working some , hunters have moved on and the horses and dogs are safer. Four dogs have been shot on my road on their own property not running lose in the woods.
So go on all you hunters flame me but I am sick of you and your ruining every fall , no walking in the woods or riding , keeping the dogs in a pen so they will survive. And no I am not a new city person been out here 25 yrs. and it just gets worse. Used to be only neighbors hunted now with urbanization all these fools drive out here to hunt. I hate them![/QUOTE]
I’m on over 50 acres and I’m annoyed when I go out walking and find deer stands 20 feet off my property line as well. So size doesn’t matter. I’ve got one guy who has permission to hunt my property. When we bought five years ago, he had permission from the previous owner (no one lived there) and assumed he could still hunt it. So last year tired of finding the evidence but not catching him on the property, we painted half the woods on that side purple. He showed up at my door days later, apologetic and asking permission and saying he didn’t realize the property had changed hands. I grudgingly gave him permission to hunt and allow his father to come with him but made it ABUNDANTLY clear that if a bullet ever came my way, we had a problem, and if one of my horses or dogs were to get shot, he was a dead man.
I feel zero guilt for making a TON of noise when I feel like it. It’s my land, and like someone else said, I pay the property taxes and the mortgage. The hunter promised to bring me some deer meat two seasons ago, haven’t seen him since…happy hunting.
I feel your pain, OP. Yesterday my horses were out in the pasture and very frightened by gunshots close by on neighbor’s property, who does not allow hunting. Unfortunately she has not posted it, but I’m told they would ignore posted signs anyway. She doesn’t live nearby so she never witnesses this.
I get that there are valid conditions underpinning/mitigating your own trespassing (you are only 20ft in, you’ve been doing it for a long time without anyone stopping you, everyone else does it, you’re only walking your dogs and not causing any harm vs. the perceived harm that folks on snowmachines might be causing, etc.) But just ask yourself if someone was using your land who met those same conditions-- you wouldn’t be ok with that, right? So to the extent that your irritation is based on his perceived disrespect of property rights, you just don’t have the moral high ground to stand on.
What you are doing on the factory land is not a big deal to me. What he is doing just outside your property is really not a big deal. (and honestly, i would feel blessed that all your neighbor is doing is allowing hunters, compared to the impact of that vacant commercial lot being developed. If you haven’t already, I’d be planting a dense windbreak along your boundary so you have some mature trees to block view and noise from whatever business eventually goes in. )
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Well, the fact that he’s in camo is why I haven’t noticed him. Now that I know where he sits, it will be difficult not to see him.
To be clear, I’m not against hunting, and I honestly don’t have an issue with this guy hunting on my neighbor’s property (I call him a neighbor although he doesn’t live there). But having him set up so close to MY private property is kind of offensive to me. To have someone sitting so close that they can hear you talk to your dogs; or hear my kids’ conversations when they are walking the dogs - yeah…kind of creepily offensive.
And to wonder if he would take a shot in our direction - like the morning I bumped a big buck out of the swamp toward that spot. I wonder if he took the shot.
Again, if I owned 75 acres…I probably wouldn’t even care. The vacant part of my property is an open, 8 acre field. To know someone’s sitting just off the edge seems a little close.
I should mention, I’m also annoyed about the horse hoof prints I keep seeing on my property, too. For some reason, posted signs don’t mean a lot around here.[/QUOTE]
If he has fired at all you would hear it, no doubt. I suggest you and your kids wear orange when walking the dogs and put orange on them too. You may not like him so close to your property line, but as long as he isn’t shooting toward your house or barn you haven’t much to say.
It is likely he hasn’t been there every day. Most hunters change spots, especially if they haven’t any luck.
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So to the extent that your irritation is based on his perceived disrespect of property rights, you just don’t have the moral high ground to stand on. [/QUOTE]
I disagree. I think there is a huge difference in hunting someone’s property line, versus someone walking on your property line. People trespass and cut through my property all the time. I don’t like it, but I think it’s vastly different from someone setting up a stand and hunting the edge of the property without even letting me know. Especially since it’s an area of the property that I use every day, with dogs off-leash.
But…whatever. Season’s almost over and I’ll have a chat with the landowner next time I see him.
The older I get the more I detest hunters. And don’t think that an arrow is less dangerous than a bullet. Every year I hear about someone injured or killed by a bow hunter. Be very careful.
I was talking to a contractor about hunters, one of his friends is an avid animal killer, by bow. He has travelled all over the world to kill animals. This friend was showing this contractor a video of his monkey kill. The contractor said he started to cry when the monkey got shot. All the other monkeys began screaming as the little monkey grabbed at the arrow while making noises that sounded like a baby crying. He had to walk out of the room. He said he can still hear the cries as it died.
Hunters try to give the spiel about meat, but I think it’s more likely they just like to kill. Just like the contractors friend.
Best day of the year is when hunting season is OVER! I feel like they think their hunting license negates any and all Posted and No Trespassing signs.
Ambitious Kate makes multiple well thought out and logical points.
OP, maybe you should rethink your desire to be annoyed at a hunter operating within the laws. We all love Bambi, but white tailed deer are very destructive to the environment. Maybe you can walk your dog elsewhere for hunting season, if you are that worried you will be shot by a hunter, and allow the hunters to do the job THAT THEY WERE LICENSED TO DO.
http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/6965.html
"The white-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginianus) is New York’s most popular game animal and is found throughout the state. Residents and visitors to the state derive countless hours of enjoyment from the white-tailed deer resource. Each year, more than 500,000 deer hunters contribute nearly $690 million to New York State’s economy through hunting related expenses, and through license purchases and federal excise taxes hunters generate over $35 million to support management activities of NYSDEC. Hunters take some 220,000 deer annually, filling freezers with roughly 10.8 million pounds of high quality local venison, and due largely to efforts of more than 3,000 volunteer Sportsman Education instructors, hunters continue to demonstrate exceptional safety records.
Aside from the recreation and economic benefit deer afford to New Yorkers, as a large herbivore, deer also play a role in shaping the landscape and can compete with human interests. Abundant deer populations can negatively affect plant communities and the other wildlife dependent on those communities. Deer can also cause problems for farmers, tree growers and homeowners and are a frequent hazard for motorists. Management of deer in New York seeks to maximize the benefits of this important resource while being mindful of the human and ecological concerns associated with abundant deer populations.
On this page you’ll find links with information on how the Department of Environmental Conservation manages white-tailed deer in New York."
Seriously, people, hunters PAY to keep the deer population at a kind of but not really manageable number. Anyone have a deer complaint? Run into one with your car? Have one ear your flowers or graze in your garden? In my area, they are out of control and destroying the environment. Hunt away, and best of luck!
Palm Beach, I posted above. I detest hunters for the reasons stated, and agree with the previous poster that they are people who like to kill things.
Yes, thank to us, there is a deer overpopulation. But like other overpopulation problems, that does not justify letting chubby camo-clothed drunks with guns have their way with our lovely rural neighborhood. Shooting deer and turkey at feeders. For their ignorant Facebook picture. I would much prefer culling by professionals who can make an efficient kill and take the meat to the needy.
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Palm Beach, I posted above. I detest hunters for the reasons stated, and agree with the previous poster that they are people who like to kill things.
Yes, thank to us, there is a deer overpopulation. But like other overpopulation problems, that does not justify letting chubby camo-clothed drunks with guns have their way with our lovely rural neighborhood. Shooting deer and turkey at feeders. For their ignorant Facebook picture. I would much prefer culling by professionals who can make an efficient kill and take the meat to the needy.[/QUOTE]
To each his own. I eat meat, and I’m thankful there are butchers who save me the process of turning Bessie into my dinner. The hunters I am acquainted with are polite and respectful, have kids, pets, etc and I would hardly paint the whole lot with the “likes to kill things” brush.
[QUOTE=Palm Beach;8441083]
Ambitious Kate makes multiple well thought out and logical points.
OP, maybe you should rethink your desire to be annoyed at a hunter operating within the laws. We all love Bambi, but white tailed deer are very destructive to the environment. Maybe you can walk your dog elsewhere for hunting season, if you are that worried you will be shot by a hunter, and allow the hunters to do the job THAT THEY WERE LICENSED TO DO.
Seriously, people, hunters PAY to keep the deer population at a kind of but not really manageable number. Anyone have a deer complaint? Run into one with your car? Have one ear your flowers or graze in your garden? In my area, they are out of control and destroying the environment. Hunt away, and best of luck![/QUOTE]
You are totally wrong in thinking that my issue with this guy has anything to do with “loving Bambi.” I own hunting dogs and use my property to condition them and train them to hunt birds. I have taken the hunter safety course and the only reason I don’t have my license this year is because I don’t think I’m a good enough shot to hunt over my dogs. So I have been regularly shooting clay pigeons over this same property all year, since it’s still in the 50s and 60s here, again, probably ruining the hunting in the area. Just for fun - my dog, doing his job: https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/t1.0-9/10703855_10204756719016407_1718961618721076767_n.jpg?oh=ee2d28fd6da9e14e6b5cc43a58bb02b4&oe=56DA3237
My issue is that this person is set up to hunt on the edge of my property. Period. I’m supportive of hunting, if done well, and aside from his location, he seems to be doing it right. I feel bad for people that want to hunt but don’t have access to land - but realistically these two properties together might be enough for a bow hunter if they owned both, but not just one without trespassing on the adjacent properties. It used to be a farm, and the properties are open fields with very few trees. It’s tight for hunting.
That said, I might have tried harder to accommodate the use of my own property if I had known where this guy was going to be; we were told he’d be in quite the opposite direction, even using additional property in the other direction. But since I only own about 8 acres that is not fenced for my horses…I wouldn’t have just “walked somewhere else.” This is my property.
But thanks for looking up my state’s DEC pages. I’ve seen them all, but it’s always fun to read them again.
[QUOTE=walkers;8438439]
…So every am and pm I go out target shooting to make sure all the deer leave my area. Its working some , hunters have moved on and the horses and dogs are safer. [/QUOTE]
Target shooting with what? A .22? I can tell you that you are likely NOT “chasing” deer away, but are instead desensitizing them to the sound of gunfire. My father has been a lifelong hunter, as has his family for generations. He also makes his own firearms and makes/loads his own bullets. He has ALWAYS had a shooting range on his property - usually 500 yards or more. The deer view it as a beautiful cleared strip of land that he made JUST for them to graze on. We literally have to chase the deer off it before we can shoot, and often we have to stop shooting and chase them off again because they wander back out, WHILE we are shooting. And not little guns, either. We make some serious noise.
My family, like most in the US, hunts to EAT. We fill our freezers with what we kill, and when our freezers are full, we fill other people’s freezers that need meat. We harvest as many deer - antelope - elk - sheep - moose - turkey - quail - pheasant, etc. as we are legally allowed to. Please do not paint all hunters as horrible wasteful people.
I never even knew what the meat display at the grocery store even looked like until I was 20 years old, married and living in Florida. We simply NEVER bought meat at the store.
I don’t like to see dogs shot, either, which is why I NEVER let my dogs roam free. Dog owners who let their dogs run loose DO bear some of the responsibility of what happens to the dogs.
[QUOTE=ToTheNines;8441117]
Shooting deer and turkey at feeders.[/QUOTE]
In the state in question it is illegal to feed the deer at all, let alone bait them for hunting.
We have chronic wasting disease here and keeping the deer herd a reasonable size and preventing them from bunching up too much benefits them. Dying of chronic wasting disease is probably much worse than being shot.
I love watching the deer play out back but I am very thankful for the hunter(s) who hunts my small piece of property. There are too many deer and if nothing else I would prefer they not spread their lyme causing ticks all over my horse pasture.
The people who hunt my property are safe and respectful and it is because of them that I know not only what wildlife is out there (more coyotes than I thought) but that there is a person who cuts thru my land on a pretty regular basis.
Hunting is one of those things that you do not have to like yourself but it is wrong to be so closed minded to insist that other people do not do it (unless you are against any meat eating).
[QUOTE=moving to dc;8441385]
My family, like most in the US, hunts to EAT. We fill our freezers with what we kill, and when our freezers are full, we fill other people’s freezers that need meat. We harvest as many deer - antelope - elk - sheep - moose - turkey - quail - pheasant, etc. as we are legally allowed to. We are horrible people. [/QUOTE]
Most of the hunters I know also eat their game, but I’d be lying if I said there wasn’t an element of sport that drives many (most?) people to hunt versus go to the grocery meat counter. Most of the hunters I know spend far more on training, equipment, and hunting itself than they would ever spend on buying meat – because they enjoy the sport of hunting. I’m 100% ok with that, so long as hunters are good sportsmen/women. There is a right way to be an ethical hunter, and a lot of wrong ways.
