Another bit thread - mare hates NS bits!

My mare still won’t tolerate the NS bit. I switched over to the Fager titanium…much better! I actually really do like the Fager bits. Very light and well made. Takes some trial and error with what size to get. I even got one for my gelding…he’s always had a super dry mouth (I’ve owned him 16 years) and in the Fager bit he actually has some nice foam. It’s the most accepting he’s ever been with a bit.

Also just found my girl has some allergies…so some of the drama may have been partially allergy related.

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no, only clean it with hot water… And he’s been happy in it for a long time. I guess horses can be like people and develop allergies over time…

@Critter how did you find the Fager sizing? Too big? Too small?

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I just got an e-mail from Fager about their new line of leather bits.

Someday, after several months, I may invest in some. The loose ring one looks interesting since I can use the bit tape to protect the horse’s lips from the hole for the ring.

A 125 mm and a 135 mm should cover the majority of the lesson horses I can ride comfortably. I am even thinking idly about attempting to use it as a bridoon (Fager introduced me to the idea of using a Weymouth curb WIDER than the bridoon and so far this has worked for me on the lesson horses) so I would possibly have an alternative bridoon for my double bridle mania.

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IIRC on the Fager site bit pages at least some of their bits say how they fit if your horse is between sizes. This should give you some indication of it the bit fits big or small.

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Keep in mind that the Fager bits, IIRC, are all 14mm in diameter. My mare LOVES her Fager bit and I think it’s largely the smaller diameter that works for her. My gelding, on the other hand, dislikes the same bit. He’s much happier in his boring 16mm KK Ultra.

I did get an email from Fager saying that they will now make custom bits, i.e., you pick your bit design, cheekpiece, design, metal, diameter, and width. I am considering ordering one for my gelding in a 16mm because I really do like their titanium. It just seems so neutral.

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I find the Fager bits fit true to size, my guy wears a 5" bit and the 125mm Fager fits him well. They do look a little different so if you’re used to normal snaffles it may not look right at first. I would run the conversions if you need a really precise size - IIRC 125mm is just a smidge under 5 inches, 135mm is just over 5.25, etc.

Most of the snaffles offer both 14 and 16 options for sizes 125mm and bigger. But yeah, for the ones that don’t specify its usually 14mm for 125mm+ bits and 12mm for smaller.

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Sizing was true…but seems to sit differently depending on the ring type and mouthpiece type. So I started with a single joint eggbutt in a 125. I had to move it up higher in my mare’s mouth (she was less fussy with it higher)…but then I had to size up to the 135. Now I am using an eggbutt mullen mouth in 135, and I could probably go back to the 125. But I also have a double joint baucher which fits perfect at 135. Could also be that my mare really is a 130 size!! LOL

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Well, doesn’t match the title of the thread but I figured posting this here would be as good as anywhere to post my thoughts. I’ve been riding my young mare in the HS D-ring Novocontact and she’s been okay in the mouth but a little fussy, which I always attributed to her being a bit behind the leg and unbalanced and not the bit. She would sometimes salivate a little but not a lot. I tried the loose ring Verbinend (absolute game-changer of a bit for my old mare) on this mare and it was like it was “too little” bit for her and too light to settle in her mouth.

Last year at Devon I wanted to pick up a NS turtle top for the same horse but the person I discussed it with at the store talked me out of it. I found one at the Dover tent sale a couple of weekends ago for a really good price and grabbed it. It’s a size large and we probably need a size small but WOW at the difference. Suddenly I have a horse willing to take the bit forward. This also coincided with a couple of other things going in our favor but my gut tells me it’s mostly the bit. I wish I had gotten it six months ago when something in the back of my mind told me to try it (oh, how many times I wish I’d listened to my gut the first time on SO many things! will I ever learn!)

The mechanics of the turtle top are odd to me. I can’t figure out the “sweet spot” like I can with the Verbinend. It almost seems like the concave part is in the wrong place and the “turtle” in the middle is small enough to create a nutcracker action, but my girl says otherwise. The most interesting thing to me is that you can’t bend it backward or down onto the tongue, so it doesn’t bend in the wrong direction even if they suck or pull on it. I don’t know if this was part of the aversion of the HS bit, but I now want to try a Myler loose ring on her (which I don’t have) and see if I can improve the contact just by adding even more stability in the mouthpiece but keeping the play in the loose rings.

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