Another eventing breeding question

[_Tradewind]

There is at least one successful eventer by Freestyle that I know of in Ontario - Fleur Foncee, ridden by Julie Clark. She is a gorgeous mare and has success to at least the 1* level. Freestyle’s bloodlines have produced some jumping talent as well, so it is not unreasonable to expect to produce an eventer from this line.

One stallion worth considering is Valentino (now standing at Dreamscape Farm, like Freestyle did). He was a successful show jumper in Europe who appears to be producing dual talent. His offspring are beautiful, and they seem to have high rideability.

Sagnol (also from Dreamscape) has also produced some promising eventers: he had a son who was sent over to Germany for the Bundes eventing championship. My Sagnol is more of a dressage type (a serious FEI prospect), but I attribute that also to the mare who is a big, old-style dressage type. Sagnol has good jumping blood on the dam’s side, and I think out of an event type mare could produce some super event horses.

[3phase]

I have a mare that is from the W line on the sire side. Looking at Edward (Han), Mighty Magic and Jackaroo. Not sure if those 3 would be of interest (think someone mentioned MM already.) Kanndarco is interesting as well but not sure what his foals are like.

[elizabeth_Callahan]

my MM has got enough jump for prelim, but is a heavy galloper - certainly not an upper level horse. However, he also has some petty good gaits, can really sit at the canter and I hope to bring him out at third this year. If that is what you are looking for , he might be suitable as a sire. My hope for mine is modified ( or prelim if I can get the guts again) and PSG eventually

[Manni01]

http://www.horsetelex.com/horses/progeny/61564

some of Buddenbrocks offspring. And this page is only til 2003.

[MsRidiculous]

I have one coming in a couple months by Mighty Magic out of my Westporte mare, which I know sounds very weird. On paper the mare is W/F hano on top, and TB on the bottom. Yeah the W Hano are known for being dressage horses, but several of them could actually jump pretty well. Weltmeyer scored 141 jumping index at his stallion testing (143 in dressage), so he was a dressage horse yes, but he had some jump in there.

My mare was bred to be a hunter, and was fine in that ring, but happier as a jumper (fine by me!). Good mover, though, and has the best work ethic. Not Holsteiner type of scope, but enough for me as an ammy rider. She is a BIG mare though, plenty stout with good bone.

I was breeding for myself, and I don’t need an upper level eventer. I want something that moves and jumps well, is very rideable, and has a very good work ethic. My mare but fancier, basically. Prelim/1* is the highest I can ever see myself being crazy enough to compete (I like my bones how they are thanks), so if I got something that was “just” a 2* horse in terms of talent or gallop, I’d have no problem with that.

My mare is probably not typey/bloody enough to have been the ideal match for MM if the goal was an upper level horse, but I feel like he can bring everything else to the table that I’m looking for. I really fell in love with him when we were in Belgium a couple years ago… we saw lots of nice event horses at VERY nice farms, and my two favorites were by MM. They were both really nicely put together, correct, attractive horses with good temperaments that seemed very straightforward. Exactly the kind of horse I want to own and ride, and since I’m breeding for myself, that’s what I picked. We’ll see what I end up with. Mine will be almost 75% blood on paper but I’m guessing it won’t look it. http://www.horsetelex.com/horses/pedigree/1896477

That said, while I am def a MM fan, there are lots of really good eventing stallions out there to choose from now, depending on what you like. Plus plenty of jumper stallions that are proving to be very good at producing eventers, especially if you aren’t trying to make a 4* horse. The fact that your mare is more dressage bred on paper wouldn’t stop me. Definitely talk to lots of breeders and see whats working well for them - I know several in Europe that are using dressage-bred mares with their stallions in the hopes of making a good eventer.

This is my mare:
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/548879_10151969043815641_1792857585_n.jpg?oh=7f7874119bce33226cebd40508a2eb98&oe=59191A89

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11071304_10155759053520641_5798357312510478277_n.jpg?oh=f74f4b3bf3200e94c749dd5be89976f1&oe=5920B5C3

https://the900facebookpony.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/sadieinspection6.jpg?w=502&h=335

[OBdB]

There is a stallion at Brullemail, eventer, out of Weltmeyer … Otto Mail
http://www.webpedigrees.com/pedigree.php?nid=234359

From Brullemail’s HP :
OTTO MAIL is a young stallion who has both the skills and a pedigree that is very polyvalent.
(WELTMEYER X HAND IN GLOVE ps x DIGNE ESPOIR ).
At 3 years old he showed a lot of talent free jumping and we could have decided upon a CSO career; eventing or even Hunter. But instead we opted for a career in dressage as he showed a true talent and potential fir this discipline.
OTTO is a tall dark bay horse with a lot of length.He has 3 good gaits. He is easy to breed to differne types of broodmares in all 3 disciplines.
OTTO has been bred to french and foreign mares, winners in Dressage, Selle Francais with a lot of blood, Anglo Arabes, thouroughbreds to produce foals in CCE & CSO.

OTTO was exported to UK in 2011 for sport and breeding.
He moved back to France in 2012.

[Elles]

OBdB that horse sounds like an extremely versatile horse.

[Elles]

http://www.brullemail.com/etalons.php?Id_etalon=9

[beowulf]

ODbB, have you seen Tygar Mail? Of the ‘Mails’, I like his way of going the most.

[Ticker]

If I understand correctly, you have a very nice dressage horse but want to add some jump for eventing but keep the dressage movement in the offspring.

It’s easy to add jump if you go to a Holsteiner stallion. Since you don’t want to lose dressage movement I would recommend using a dressage stallion with a lot of Holsteiner in the pedigree. Sir Sinclair comes to mind but there are many others.

I breed for dressage but my mares carry a lot of Holsteiner…it gives them a great canter and powerful backend for dressage. My best mare was second in jumping
in Germany the year she was mare performance tested. She is out of a Holsteiner stallion and a dressage bred mare.

[OBdB]

I don’t know Tygar ‘personally’ but i love his paper …

[goodmorning]

How about Roc USA?

[Fairview_Horse_Cente]

Just A Devil xx is the sire of event horses out of a Nevada daughter. Lauren Kieffer rode one (Lucky Devil) to Advanced. https://sites.google.com/site/cedarbrookfarmva/stallions

[Jmarcan]

… someone near Ottawa was advertising a few straws of A Fine Romance on equestrianconnection…

[Forte]

[QUOTE=Ticker;9004557]
If I understand correctly, you have a very nice dressage horse but want to add some jump for eventing but keep the dressage movement in the offspring.

It’s easy to add jump if you go to a Holsteiner stallion. Since you don’t want to lose dressage movement I would recommend using a dressage stallion with a lot of Holsteiner in the pedigree. Sir Sinclair comes to mind but there are many others.

I breed for dressage but my mares carry a lot of Holsteiner…it gives them a great canter and powerful backend for dressage. My best mare was second in jumping
in Germany the year she was mare performance tested. She is out of a Holsteiner stallion and a dressage bred mare.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same thing about Holsteiner blood. Any thoughts on Lestat? He is Oldenburg but carries a lot of Holsteiner blood

[vineyridge]

There is an event horse named Mr. Bass who has a Holsteiner sire and a Holsteiner dam line who won at Le Lion as a seven yo. He’s had 5 or 6 3*s since and finished on his dressage score 83.3% of the time. Rider is Laura Collett. Sire is Carrico who is shown as standing in the US. There is an article raving about Mr. Bass on the Equiratings website here: http://www.equiratings.com/2016/12/21/the-importance-of-the-fod-equiratings-review-of-2016/

http://sporthorse-data.com/d?z=26W8fq&d=Mr.+Bass&x=36&y=12

He seems to have showed in at least one Hunter Derby after he came to the Us, so he may have been gelded. He’s not shown as an active stallion for 2017 by AHHA. Ludger Beerbaum still sells his frozen, but whether to the US is unknown.