Another indoor arena thread

I now live in eastern Montana after relocating from Nor Cal, I met a super great cowboy that fully supports the wild horsie dreams.

We are closing on 200+ acres, next year after all the snow has melted we are planning for an indoor arena.

Who did y’all go with? Who to avoid? Where do I start?

A place we ride at has a 55x110 indoor arena and its enough room to fit 3+ horses/riders in it playing prison polo, along with a few bitty jumps.

I don’t need a huge arena either, I mostly have young green thoroughbreds as the SO has young green quarter horses/heinz 57.

So something sized between 55x110 - 140ishx250?

Insulated? heated?

The usual advice applies, I would guess - build as big as you can afford. Minimum width 65’ wide if at all possible, especially if you want jumps in there. I forget the exact width that causes the cost to jump if you go wider - somewhere around 80’? I’m currently riding at a place with an approximately 65’ x 125’ indoor and it is hard to do a jumping lesson (courses), and it gets really tedious by the end of winter.

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I would be thrilled to have an 80’ x 200’ arena with a ceiling vaulted for jumping (and roping in case you have friends so inclined or end up selling). I would insulate the ceiling if I could afford it, but not heat the building at all. If you are out of the wind and wet, the cold may not be an issue at all, or it may only be an issue for a couple of days each winter and you may find it not worth the expense to heat the arena. Also, heating is something you can add later. The ceiling height and the arena width cannot be changed. The length can be amended more easily, especially if you avoid a hip roof at the end where you might add on.

One barn I rode in had a 60’ wide arena which felt a hair tight (as @Redlei44 said, 65’ is a good minimum).

The biggest problem at that arena was that it was very dark; it had windows under the eaves which did not bring in enough light and it felt dark even in summer, so be sure to plan for plenty of natural light and position the arena and the windows for the max benefit of the climate. I assume that means you want the most sun(heat) and light gain which is the opposite of what you would want in a southern state where shade is premium and light is best from north-side windows.

When I built my indoor 14 years ago, 62 feet was the sweet spot. Next bigger trusses would have cost far more than my budget. My arena is 62x132 (small dressage court) as I am mainly a dressage rider.

My kids had no problem setting small course and jumping their very nimble Fjord inside in the winter. Use 8 foot wide jumps, be creative, and you’ll be able to do plenty. Bonus is when you get in a larger show arena, it seems much easier after riding in the smaller space.

The kids also did a few quadrilles with some of their 4-H friends who were boarding with us at the time. So 4 horses i the arena together. My 16.3 OTTB was perfectly fine with the arena size as well. For more open space, we had a much larger area to ride and jump in outside when there wasn’t snow on the ground. However, we still used the indoor quite a bit in the summer - shaded, bug free, lights at night.

Good luck. Enjoy! I’ve found my arena to be worth every penny I spent and then some.

Ideally you would build a large multi-purpose structure that you can use as an arena but adds to the appeal of the property for many other uses, shop, storage, whatever such someone may want to do with it.

For that, a commercial metal structure builder would work best for your money.
Think about framed clear span all metal barns, the eaves tall enough for any you may want.

Most such here are 16’ at the eaves for plain riding arenas and, since most are used at times for roping, 18’ is best.
That gives you more usable height in the structure because of the clear span framed gable.

Up to 100’ the cost is incrementally small, over that the engineering needs get considerably higher so ever foot wider cost more than you may think.
Example, between 80’ or 100’, every extra foot will cost about the same.
Over 100’, every extra foot may cost 2x more at first, if adding more 3x more, 4x more.

That 100’ cut off is regionally dependent.
That is so here, where you are they may need to start beefing the framing at 60’ or 80’, or 120’.
Ask the building companies you get bids from.

That is important if you have a small, fixed budget and who doesn’t.
Staying under or up to that threshhold if you can may save you thousands.

Our covered arena is all purpose, but mainly for our area a roping arena.
It is 120’ x 250’ and is used for training for ranch horses, cowhorse, reining, all kinds of junior rodeo events, barrels, poles, calf roping for ribbon, breakaway, etc.

What footing you put in there is important, will determine what kind of training and riding you can do there best, so pay attention to that also.

For most you may do, stay with a firm, compacted level base and add your preference, some kind of sand is standard for most such arenas, at a depth of no less than 2 1/2" and no more than 3 1/2".
Less footing depth will make the arena too fast and horses may slip and fall when turning.
More footing depth will demand a bigger effort to get around it for horses and may bring more suspensory, joint and muscle injuries if you push a horse.
Cutting arenas are one exception, generally deeper than any and so are also where you have to train more carefully.

I would go to your local event centers in towns around you, college arenas, to private indoor arenas and ask who build them and if they like them and what would they do different.

Maybe in your area they are best oriented a certain way, so any snow blows by, rather than pile on around the edges?
Or one roof pitch is better than another?

Today most insulate indoor arenas with spray foam insulation, the kind you can paint over with thick glossy paint you can powerwash and birds and insects don’t damage.
It is also the most costly insulation.

Most important, don’t settle for the first idea or builder you find, but spend as much time as you can wait to start by learn all you can about your options, so you build the best that will fit best for your situation and will be flexible enough to serve later as your needs will change, as they surely will once working out of there and down the years.

Just seconding the advice to build as big as you can. Riding in the indoor day after day gets old, and the smaller the indoor, the more quickly you and your horse will go crazy from always riding around and around… :slight_smile:

My possibly dumb question for COTH in general: Say you didn’t need a home arena to be an open span, and were okay with vertical support poles toward the ends of the arena (picture a circle at each end, and put a vertical support pole in the center of each circle, and maybe a third support pole in the center of the ring. You could still do circles, still do lateral work, and still set up several jump course configurations). Would this be any less expensive than an open-span arena of the same width?

As big as you can get it.

And yes, if you can afford it, I would insulate and heat since you will be in Montana.
But do make sure you have an adequate ventilation system. Heating without good insulation will make “rain”, and no one wants that.

We bought 130 acres a couple years ago, and someday I will have my own indoor. I live in North Dakota. While the dirt work will be expensive, I do want to set it somewhat into the hill so I can utilize nature for heating and cooling. Of course, it’s not going to be underground by any means, but if I can get the west and north sides about half the wall height into the dirt, it’s going to help tremendously with temperature regulation.

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might consider doing the site work now, level the intended area, do drainage mitigation, put in access road

I wouldn’t do a 55’ width for green thoroughbreds. Very difficult for a young or green horse to canter that turn. Plus you lose some of the interior to framing. Definitely try to go wider if possible. My friend built her arena on her graded outdoor base. She started with a 76 x 140 or 120 (sorry can’t remember) but was able to add on and went up to 200’ several years later and had the native soil base already good to go. You can add length, but you can’t add width.

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I was just going to type this. Go as wide as you can even if you sacrifice some length. Engineering and construction wise adding length later is easy, but you can’t add width without tearing it down and starting over.

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If you are working with green horses, 20 m (66’) is the absolute minimum width I would consider. 30 m (99’) would be better.

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Most trainers I know agree that a 50’ roundpen is good, but to ride safely in one, you need 60’.

I would question an arena smaller than 60’ wide to be a good size to ride and train regularly.

We built our arena in 2004 on a very small budget. We went with wood frame and tin exterior, (professionally done), and then we insulated and finished the interior ourselves to save money. The entire building is 70’ by 200’, with 36" feet of that made into barn space. I do wish we had gone wider, but that just wasn’t in the budget as it would have required considerably more site preparation as well as additional building costs.

BUT…the best thing we did is how we heat it: we have it heated with a small boiler and have heat loops in the bottom 3 feet of the wall (this part is cement). The barn floor and exterior wall is also heated. What is fantastic about this is: It is VERY efficient (cheap), it is silent, low fire risk, and the cement holds the heat (and the cold) so it takes a very long time for the barn to cool down if the heat breaks (and a long time to heat up in the summer). Plus, my feet are never cold! it is actually cheaper to heat our entire barn/arena than our small house!

Good luck with your dream!

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anything wider than 65’ starts costing much more, are you going to incorporate your barn into your structure? I personally would, it’s nice to go from stall to indoor without leaving the building. You do want to insulate and heat at least the indoor. Arena we boarded at for a short time in AK had radiant heat in the floors of the aisle way in the barn, it kept the barn above freezing so there would be no issue with freezing water, it was so nice!

It really depends on what you can afford. Don’t forget checking about permits, cost of site prep (that can get costly), additional things like well, sewage (if you have bathrooms, wash racks if barn is included). Cost of bringing the right footing in etc. There is a lot to consider but budget is the first and foremost.

The past two years the several horses I’ve had, lived outside 24/7.

If/when we do a barn I think id just stick with a shed row type setup but then again from what ive been reading everyone says just add your stalls onto your arena.

Im really thinking 70 ft x 120 ft :slight_smile: I can always have a bigger outdoor arena put in plus theres lots of flat grass arenas as well…

Thanks everyone for the advice and knowledge!

70’x120’ is a good size. As others said, go as wide as you can afford. If you want to put stalls in the same space eventually, though, I’d definitely go longer than 120’.

Insulated is wonderful; heated is rather unnecessary IMO, but that’s personal preference. Insulated barns/arenas were always much nicer than those that weren’t in the Ohio winters, and the only heated barns/arenas I experienced were stuffy and smelled horrible (ammonia) because there was no ventilation and they kept it shut up tight so the heat bill wasn’t outrageous.

If you can’t find an indoor to try that size there by marking that space and riding in it, try putting some markers down where you want the arena and try riding in there, see how that size feels.

I would leave any clear span space in there for riding.
If you want to add stalls in there, don’t use that precious and expensive space, build where you can have an overhang, preferably on the South or East side.
You can use that later for run in for horses, put stalls there, a tack room, storage, etc.
The overhang should be considerably cheaper to build per square foot, not needing to clear such a larger span as the riding area needs.

Haaa.

The property we were looking at… there isn’t one flat peice of land on it. It was also suppose to be 60+ irrigated when it’s only 20 or so…

Almost a week ago now my heart horse of 10+ years coliced horribly and had a seizure. He lived out of state with my mom and I couldn’t be there…

I just found out I’m pregnant (like two days ago !!)

We currently have 4 horses that live at my SOs parents property (20+ nice flat acres, live creek year round)

Im sure in a few years we will revisit again. A close family friend also has an indoor, outdoor, actually everything you could need in a facility so that’s my next option. Of course when I’m not longer pregnant.