In the World Cup where he retired? THAT would make me believe he’s as great as y’all do.
https://www.longinestiming.com/equestrian/2020/gothenburg-horse-show-gothenburg/resultlist_11.html
Your link is to the results of the 1.45m class early Saturday afternoon.
He probably was less stoked when he went in the World Cup the next day and his horse sat on the back rail of the 1st two oxers and solidly took out the top rail of a vertical, leading him to retire early in the course with 12 faults.
So he made an admirable horseman’s decision when he had a bad start?
THE SHAME THE HORROR OHHHH EMMMM GEEEE
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Oh my word!!! You mean he did the right thing? Heavens to Betsy what an awful man!
I feel like you should go troll else where. Horses and riders have bad days. No one has ever suggested anything different. And no one here really cares who you think is great FYI and no one cares if you don’t think MJ is great.
Yes it was Frodo and not Samurai.
Samurai was run to his death and earned his rider a Olympic ticket and she than fell on her ars at the Olympics.
When I questioned the moral of AT getting a ticket to the Olympics, I was told it is about medals and not morals, on this forum.
The flower basket had that little trick with the terrain, that undulation, For a good approach the horse had to land at its second last stride, before take off, just short of the bottom of the undulation, so his hindlegs could push it up hill, 1 stride and than jump. But since it was a key hole with the handle of the basket above, it was a automatic reaction for A to dig in her spurs, when she did that, she extended the stride and Frodo landed with his next stride on the uphill side.
I compared extensively for over a week other rides, especially the speed factor, which is easily to do.
Take a 10 second section and count strides, all the way to take off. The calculation is rather simple.
Frodo was at average speed for this jump and well sorted out, till the moment she dug those spurs in, and extended the second last stride before take off, big mistake, but she probably did not notice what she was doing.
Anybody have a Exo, saved my sorry ars and would have saved the young Lady this thread is all about, sadly not her horse.
Put on your air vests and feel save, joking. 1200 pounds in that thing will make ketchup out of you.
Enjoy
And now I will leave you alone again.
Gnep,
This is true insanity. Here we are having the EXACT same discussions that occurred from 2006 and on here. We are even using the same examples.
The sport keeps changing but the risks don’t seem to budge. What the [edit]?
I still get a chance to cause havoc in the labs. Still working with some explosive systems (trying to 3D print them now). On top of investigating failed devices resulting in death or maiming as well as trying to figure out how every metal we put in patients corrodes and what sort of bacterial counter measures can be created (use bacteria to fight occult infections).
I have a young one off the track you would love! Name is peanut. Is a Shiver junior with awesome dressage. Now I am just trying to figure out if it is worth it to event anymore. It isn’t the sport we did.
Actually, my namesake is reference to another hobby. I’ve kept saltwater fish for many years, though not nearly as long as I’ve been riding. My favorite of these fish being the lovable and jovial puffer fish.
I’m really disappointed to see this thread get derailed.
Can we try to stay on the topic of fatalities in eventing and safety issues?
Nothing is going to change until eventers are willing to walk away from the sport if change doesn’t occur.
Eventers are all adults (or kids with adults making the choices for them). The folks who know that these jumps are dangerous and choose to go out there and jump them are telling the folks running these events that they are willing to accept the risk of dying. The eventers still going to events are telling the event coordinators that the joy of running the course matters more to them than their own safety or the safety of their horse. If the people actually out there risking their lives don’t care enough to walk away why should the folks running these events care about spending the money to make it safer. Why is it up to them to care more about your safety than you. Until you tell them that you take your own safety seriously by being willing to walk away they aren’t going to change anything. (The generic “you” not directed at any one poster)
I’ve been thinking about the “if you see something, say something” school of thought. What should (generic) we do when we see something and say something, but the person isn’t willing to hear it? We all probably have someone that we’re worried about, someone who makes reckless decisions that endanger themselves and their horse, but isn’t willing to entertain any notion that they might need to take a step back, get some more coaching, take some time for self improvement. Maybe they’ve got a coach, maybe they’ve burned through everyone because they kept hearing things they didn’t like. But they’re out there, entering Training, Prelim, Intermediate and everyone else is watching with their hearts in their throats.
What can we do? How do we prevent the next fatality? How do we save someone from themselves? I’ve tried in one case, but my concerns were dismissed and only a health emergency kept the person from entering the show. Should we have a concerned tip line? A way to notify officials that a rider may be reckless?
I agree with this so much and honestly I’m just wavering on the edge right now of walking away. So many Eventers have no idea this conversation has been going on this long, over a decade! Nothing has changed, it almost seems like the trend is going up again for fatalities.
I love this sport and it’s all I know, but the attitudes towards lost lives of both humans and horses and the following lack of action is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth. I don’t know if I can support a sport that is so oblivious to a very serious problem it has. I don’t want to die and I really really don’t want my horses to die on course.
yes there is action to get funding for frangibles, but whose idea was that and who even knows if that will change anything? Agree with the poster earlier who said we can’t follow advice from UL riders and coaches, we need actual scientists and data analysts here.
Can we not fundraise to do more research and collect data??? Surely finding out WHAT THE ISSUES TRULY ARE is equally or more important than having fences fall down.
I’m not terribly experienced with the options you have available for reporting to officials in eventing and I’m sure on XC day people are spread thin, but in my experience most people aren’t inclined to listen to anyone but a person with authority.
I think someone mentioned having more live footage monitoring. Perhaps that and recording with the capability for immediate playback? That would give a jump judge the opportunity to radio “central command” if they see something start to get dicey & they can quickly check the tape & decide to give a yellow card or pull the rider up. It could also allow concerned spectators to report concerns to the jump judges for consideration too.
There are certainly logistics & financing issues to solve, but a thought
Puffer, on both this thread and the one about Marilyn Little you have seemed interested in insulting this discipline and insinuating that none of us know anything about show jumping, and are idiots for thinking MJ is a better eventer than ML.
I don’t know what axe you have to grind.
MJ is by ANY standard a better eventer than ML. He can compete successfully at the upper levels of SJ, which to an eventer demonstrates an admirable commitment to improving his skills in that arena - it doesn’t mean he is as good as or better than specialists in that area.
Having a bad day and choosing to retire is in fact great horsemanship.
We are ALL dismayed, horrified, and heartbroken at what happened at Rocking Horse. We want to make sure this never happens again, and we are struggling with how to make that happen. People have presented, over and over on this thread, how other sports and dangerous work environments examine ALL aspects of an accident - video of prior performance by the person involved would ABSOLUTELY be a part of that. I’m
sorry you can’t see that. It’s difficult but necessary.
I wish you would explain why you feel it’s useful to point out, in this context, one sub par round from someone who has won the top events in our discipline over years on more than one horse with fluid, lovely dressage, XC, and SJ rounds.
Frangible fences aren’t a panacea for eventing accidents or for the issue in the sport.
Did anyone here see Burghley last year? Those white monstrosities that no horse should have been asked to jump as part of an XC course? They were frangible all right but so what?
A dangerous or inappropriate obstacle is still a dangerous or inappropriate obstacle even if it’s frangible.
And frangible everything wouldn’t have saved Kat and Kerry. Frangible fence technology is not a solution for dangerous riding.
For those who say talk to the TD or officials - well, have you tried that? Lots of riders have and you know where it goes? Nowhere.
For example, there was an inappropriately large, square solid jump in the warm up of a HT. It was causing problems. A very well-known rider asked the TD and CD if the jump should be in the warm up ring. One of the officials said, ‘Well, technically it’s only a couple of inches too big so we can have it there according to the rules. And it’s too much effort to move it.’ Hello, culture of indifference.
At another HT, the TD was scurrying away from an angry mob who’d been pleading with her all weekend not to have false ground lines, maxed out jumps, two waters and a log into water on the BN course. She would only respond by yelling things about the riders not knowing how to prepare for a competition. One of the riders - who then went out in the dark to fix the groundlines - had won the Olympic silver medal a few months before. She probably knew how to prepare for a competition.
Again, it’s cultural. We have officials who get away with this sh*t and worse, are welcomed back to the event the next year.
One big issue with voting with your feet is that there’s no refunds so your gesture counts for nothing. It hurts no one except you. Once you’re there and walk the course, you’ve just spent about $1000 for the weekend, packed up your horse and driven several hours. If you say ‘This course is dangerous, I’m going home’ - then so what?
I guess you can fill out the event evaluation for but you’re delusional if you think that goes anywhere.
No It is not. I am serious about it. Its a farce.
when I did my first event I was 11 and it was the children level around novice, today.
Adults it was entry at Training, todays Prelim, 550 at 7000 meters length and over 30 jumps at least.
Just ask any of todays eventing heroes to jump a natural sheep pen, 4 feet high and with out any measured striding.
Just put the flags here and there, 4 feet, at training, entrance level.
Can you imagine all those so fabulous folks here, blowing of their so fantastic knowledge, doing that, at entry level.
BN, come on, you even do not know how to ride a horse. You are just a passenger of the mule you call a horse, Eventer, buhhhhhhaaaaaaa.
Read you and I tried, spent hundreds of Dollars, thousands to make a difference. You and I have ridden at the very top, with the junk yard horses nobody wanted or would not have the skill, or wanting to gain the skills.
A BN discussing the question when to move on, or even to get into.
BN, not ready ?
What a joke is that.
Sorry, when that started to become the adult and not the child division the sports lost me.
Its a joke, BN is a freak show and the pros are joining.
How low can you get
I thought this is an appropriate post for those who are struggling to deal with the grief of Kat and Kerry’s deaths (whether you knew them or not) may find this article helpful. As a grief and loss counsellor, I found her writings to be very informative and may be helpful for those who are struggling right now. http://ridingoutofyourmind.com/coping-with-traumatic-loss.html
Must say I did wonder if “Puffer” had reference to puffer fish - a highly toxic species.
Oh the sheep pens! At the memorial service for my “mom” in October last year I brought up the fact that the sheep pen we built on our XC course was completely illegal by today’s standards. Like you say, 4’ solid coming in, 3 strides at full lick, 4’6” solid going out then some random striding to the tractor tires.
That world has ceased to exist. The terrain and fitness of the horses played a bigger role. We rode what we had and got them ready to compete.
I remember the late dinners we had discussing the table designs. Your table design is still being discussed (because I bring it up) as it is just as valid today as ever.
Yes, there is the fact that a BN rider can now cal themselves a “trainer” soliciting clients and sponsors. That is a complete farce.
"A sad reminder of the real person involved in this tragedy: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon…rida-1.5482953.
There’s this:
“It was a bad shock for everybody,” Evan Dahms, co-owner of Sandridge Stables in Strathcona County, told CBC News on Monday.
“She was on the right track to get to her dream of riding for Canada in international events,” he said. “She was almost there but didn’t quite make it. It’s a tragedy.”
Big dreams. Dangerous dreams."
Copied and pasted from post #384 so I could get the part I’ve highlighted in red. It’s the insidious new norm again. Even if this tragedy had not befallen her, she wasn’t on the right track. Had she ultimately been successful, this “track” by default becomes the one to emulate and the wrong skillset gets further embedded and ingrained in up and coming riders.
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