Another saddle question, keg on legs, Fryso vs. Black Country, hoop vs traditional

I hope someone here has experience with Fryso saddles. My Friesian is a keg on legs, no withers. I have an XW Albion SLK low head, the pommel is about 5 inches above his withers, one can see daylight between the panels, but the panels do contact his back well. I am currently riding in a vintage Wintec Isabelle with the XW gullet installed. It is also pommel high, but not as bad as the low head Albion. My dream saddle is a BC Vinici, Which I believe comes in both hoop and traditional trees, but a couple of Fryso’s have come up in my search too. Fryso’s have a different tree sizing arrangement, the ones available are #4 and #5. It is hard to visualize, looking at photos, if one will work for his back. Oh, and I am also hundreds of miles from tack shops. His tracings look like they were made with a pizza pan, no rise for withers.

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While a hoop tree fits those barrel shaped horses so well, In my experience using one on my own " keg with legs" was that I had to girth it up TIGHT to keep it stable enough to launch myself on…

She hated that but went really well in the saddle . Getting on even using a mounting block was dicey. I sold the saddle after 6 successful years and went with a normal type tree and we are doing well. At 18 now she actually does have withers :slight_smile:

So I would advise trying to find something other than a hoop tree or demo one first to make sure it works for you .

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Duett makes saddles for that type of conformation, does remote fitting, has a generous trial policy and has a multitude of panel and tree options to get you just the right fit. I love mine. I don’t have any issues with the saddle slipping when I mount and I’m pretty heavy.

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Thanks, I will look into them again. I hear great things about the customer service.

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They were super to work with. I ordered mine custom and it was a great experience. After I took delivery of the saddle, I also did a remote flocking adjustment and was very impressed.

I just got a hoop tree XXW Detente for my Friesian cross, and I’m not quite regretting it but a little sad. It’s so so wide - my mare’s wither tracing was so round that my fitter suggested even a treeless saddle (ugh. no). The chart was basically a rainbow - completely flat semi circles. It does fit her so much better than a normal tree, but I feel like I’m doing the splits now.

I am tall(5’11”) with wide hips and long femurs and I can’t imagine a smaller person riding in it! I am hopeful that I’ll find something that both fits her and has a slightly more narrow twist. I know a truly narrow twist probably won’t be possible. Maybe I’ll get used to it? :roll_eyes:

The shape really fits her though so your mileage may vary. I can’t say she is going a lot better in it, but it does need a reflock. I am thinking when she’s a bit stronger and older (just turned 6), I’ll get a fully custom tree for her with more choice on twist, etc.

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Patrick and Lovatt & Ricketts are two other brands with hoop trees you might check out. I have a Patrick Leggero XW on their cob tree and like it quite a bit (I also have a Vinici in a W hoop tree; the Leggero is a wider twist for sure).

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Popping back in to say I have the Duett Fidelio on the regular hoop tree. I understand the twist on it is narrower than their other models. I demo’d a Fidelio with their H&C hoop tree and I couldn’t put my leg on to save my life; I presume the twist was a lot wider on that one.

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I had a Duett Tango and I loved the saddle and it was comfortable and put me in the right position.

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Just to add on to this: tonight I tossed my Vinici on my 17H warmblood, who I usually ride in the Patrick. I was surprised to find that I was able to sit her trot more easily despite the much smaller/softer thigh blocks. I think it’s because of the twist, even though I feel comfortable in the Patrick and have pretty good hip flexibility. So when I get my other horse sold, the Vinici might end up being my permanent saddle, and the Patrick will be up for sale.

I don’t remember which Duett dressage model I trialed back in they day, but it’s the one saddle I rejected within about two minutes of sitting on it. Felt like a board sitting up above the horse.

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Fairfax saddlery also makes wide enough saddles and they make an option called the Elias tree which was built for friesians and their very uphill build.

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Loxley has a hoop tree and a brand new baroque tree which is even rounder, try them.

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Yes, but even thought their trees/gullets to fairly wide, their still rather A shaped vs U or hoop shaped. I actually tried the Elias on my PRE previously and it wasn’t bad, but he had a more prominent withers. It wouldn’t work for a more rounded or propane tank type. It did work for my PRE due to this uphill build, but again, withers.

Well last summer, I was sold the Lovatt & Ricketts hoop tree saddle for my wide warmblood and it truly was barrell shaped and way to wide and u shaped for my horses. You might try that. I really liked that saddle because even though it was shaped to fit a barrel, it had a nice twist on it and was very comfortable. If you go through Adrienne Hendricks, you can get all kinds of customizing.

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