Looking for experts to weigh in and post a drawing or computer diagram for a Working Equitation movement. This is for L2 Novice A
Who can draw the movements from 1, 2,3, beginning at C and ending at A of the 3 loop serpentine which itself goes from H to K
Donāt have the ability to post a diagram but hereās a guess:
The distance from H to K is 28m so each loop is 9.33m and the apex of the loop is 4.66m. Looking back at last yearās test, this was one shallow loop to the quarter line, so I surmise that the 3-loop serpentine also should go to the quarter line. I couldnāt find a definition in the rules but to go much farther across would result in a disproportionate shape, so hereās hoping thatās what they meant.
On the left rein, from C to H you have a left bend coming out of the corner. Leave the rail at H changing the bend to right at the āeighth line.ā As you touch the quarter line, loop back towards E changing the bend back to the left at the eighth line and touching the rail at E. Continue the pattern with two more changes of bend and returning to the track on a left bend at K.
Hopefully you can visualize the pattern from the description.
Maybe they have an appendix somewhere with diagrams. Iāll be interested to hear what they really intend.
I think there is something screwy here. I think you should ask the people at the WE Confederation this question for clarification.
Movement 2 is the H-K 3-loop serpentine. So since K comes after A, there is NO WAY to do Movement 3 (15m circle at A) unless you finish 3rd loop at F.
In the āregularā dressage tests, the serpentine usually start at A or C. Starting at H with an odd number of loops and a circle at A would have you finishing at F.
My logic is based on there are 12 meters between the letters on the long side. So between H and K, there is 48 meters. Dividing this in 3 for a 3-loop serpentine, each loop is 16 meters (Calculated as 48 ĆĀ· 3 = 16).
Movement 1: Enter at working trot. Halt. Salute. Proceed at working trot.Turn left. Continue working trot.
Movement 2: H - K Three-loop serpentine
Movement 3: A Circle left 15m
So for the 3-Loop serpentine, you turn left at H looking to make the apex of your first loop at 4m past R (1/3 or the distance between R and B.
From there for the second loop you turn right heading for 4m before V.
From there for the third loop, you would turn left to finish at Fā¦there is no way to finish at K with 3 loops.
It indeed goes all the way across, not just to the quarter line -
There is a big discussion going on about this on WE and I have a pretty good idea of what it looks like - Iām just not good at drawing!!
By the way this is ridden in a short court.
Well then, the left turn at H requires more left bend than the corner did and you would proceed with less bend after the initial turn, aiming at the rail halfway from M to B with the change of bend happening when you are at the centerline and your track is perpendicular to the centerline. Touch the rail at E and repeat to K.
If the WE controversy is that this is a weird shape, I agree. If it was C to A instead of H to K it would make more sense. But still, in a large court it is three equal-sized half circles joined at the centerline and thus the bend is consistent. In a short court going all the way across, it never will be. Odd.
Regardless of long or short courtā¦H and K are on the same long side.
I stand by my original statement that any āodd-numberā serpentine will end up in the opposite side.
In order to start at H and end at K you need āeven-numberā loopsā¦for example, a 2-loop serpentine starting at H, goes H-to-B and B-to-Kā¦
I never said anything about āquarter lineāā¦the āone thirdā distance is the distance down the long side.
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Do you suppose this is what they mean?
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This one still seems more reasonable for a novice test, but hey . . . ?
Test seems poorly written since both of Huntin Pony illustrations could be correct. The second one seems more in keeping with a novice horse test. The full width is approaching what use to be in PSG.
There are videos on You Tube that show the novice test using the shallow version in Huntin Pony post 10
Nope, itās the opposite, and an easy mix up to make! An even number of loops will always have you going the opposite direction and an ODD (EDITED to fix my under-caffeinated typing - oops!) number of loops will not change your original direction. The curvy bits of the serpentine are the loops. The straight bits are just the straight bits.
As to the original question, Iām guessing your corner ahead of H is your prep to get on the line H-M and then ride it as a regular 3 loop serpentine between the letters G and D instead of C and A. After reaching D, ride straight to K and hang a left to prepare for your canter work.
If this is indeed the way to ride it, would be super nice if they had written it better. Like, H turn left. Between G and D serp 3 loops full width. K turn left.
In order to start at H and end at K you need āeven-numberā loopsā¦for example, a 2-loop serpentine starting at H, goes H-to-B and B-to-Kā¦
That is ONE loop, not 2.
An even number of loops will always have you going the opposite direction and an even number of loops will not change your original direction.
I think there is typo here, as these can not BOTH be true.
An ODD number of loops keeps you going the SAME direction.
An EVEN number of loops CHANGES direction.
Sascha -
Thatās a subtle difference from #9 above but a legit one for sure. The loops from centerline to rail and back would be just slightly lopsided (10m tall; 9.3m wide) but a tiny bit better than above. The other thing that jumps out is that the corners at H and K are even more demanding, being essentially half a 6m volte. This just seems unreasonable for a novice test to me, but hey . . .?
I certainly agree that the WE organization needs to clarify and update the wording in the test itself!
If I read that test, I would have assumed it was a typo and ridden a normal 3 loop serpentine from C to A.
Iām not finding the anomoly? if you make an A-C 3 loop serpentine starting on the right lead, you will make 2 loops going to the right and one loop (the middle loop) going to the left. If you make a 4 loop serpentine starting on the right lead, the loops are: right, left, right, left which leaves you on the left lead which is the opposite to what you started on. Does that make sense now with āleadā instead of direction?
OMG, lol editing to say I didnāt read my own post before typing that lol Clearly this day falls into the WAY UNDER-CAFFEINATED category. I will fix my original post now lol
It might seem unreasonable to compare it to an equivalent straight up dressage test, but I think WE gets a LOT more demanding a lot sooner when it comes to circle sizes. I mean one of the very basic tests has 1/2 5m circles in it. I mean, itās in walk and all, but still, we never in āpureā dressage ever do 5m circles or 1/2 circles except at home, schooling pirouettes, for fun, etc.
I am following this discussion within WEUnited (although the OP linked ConfederationWE documents, the tests are the same) and the PTB are getting clarification from the rules committee. I am sure it will be made more clear going forward, given the number of different interpretations offered!
Reading through it without any other context, I probably would have ridden this as a normal dressage C-A serpentine, but on thinking about it more, particularly in the context of WE, which does, as sascha pointed out, get more demanding wrt figures at the lower levels, I would lean towards the below as the intended figure. That would be 6m half circle left (at this radius, the circle/corner debate seems moot), across to a 9.3m half circle right, across, 9.3m half circle left, across, 9.3m half circle right, across and 6m half circle left. This would seem to be preparatory for the double slalom obstacle seen in EOH trials.
WE is definitely easier with a short-coupled, handy horse!
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MissAriel for the win!
To me that is how it reads as well, although the graphics that have been posted within WE are quite differentā¦
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