any insight to an older pedigree-- Queen Louie

Here’s a link to her pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/queen+louie

I’ve done a search on here for Crimson Satan, so I’ve learned a little bit about him, but what about the rest of her pedigree? So much of it is South American and British, I’m at a complete loss to read anything in to it (other than the Hyperion line, of course). Any insight is greatly appreciated. I’d be interested in anything good or bad, whether for race or sport. Thanks much!

ETA: I know she foaled Gold Meridian, and have read up on him too through a search on here. Seems like she was bred to quite a few “who’s who” in racing back in the day…

I had a HUGE 17 hand daughter of Brilliant Sandy, Queen Louie’s full brother. Would jump at, over, through, ANYTHING. Ran off with me when I first got on her and only stopped after jumping OVER a manure spreader that a neighbor had backed out of his dairy barn . I got to see Brilliant Sandy when he was in Louisiana gosh, over 25 years ago, also a big horse.

Crimson Satan is the sire of Crimson Saint who is the dam of major stakes winner Terlingua by Secretariat. Terlingua is the dam of Storm Cat a very good race horse and one of the very top sires of the last 100 years. Crimson Satan was considered a very good broodmare sire as was his sire Spy Song.
Considering she won over $70,000 quite a lot in those days, the Derby purse was around $60,000+ to the winner, and her pedigree it is not surprising she would have been bred to some of the best.

Canadian champion 2YO filly in 1970, Queen Louie was a half-sister to 1971 Canadian champion 2YO Gentleman Conn, as well as a half to multiple SW and Queen’s Plate runner-up Bold Agent and a full sister to the aforementioned multiple SW Brilliant Sandy.

Queen Louie herself produced stakes winner A Status Symbol (2nd dam of Canadian champion grass horse Perfect Soul (Ire) and 3rd dam of G1 winner Flashy Bull), G2-placed Careless Flirt, stakes winner Gold Meridian, stakes-placed Dazibao, and stakes producers Queen’s Bid, Manzanares, Queen Alydar, and Bo K. Her last live foal was the winning 1992 Afleet gelding Deshaj, as she was barren to Night Shift for 1993.

Papila produced very, very durable horses. Take a look at her progeny, then look at Blue Canary.

Rasper was the sire of a good Virginia or Maryland horse named Rambunctious who is found in quite a few sport horses these days, IIRC.

Thanks everyone for sharing your info and experiences! The reason I was asking is, I’ve been lucky enough to “find” the following mare:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/move+on2

I was supposed to go pick her up this past weekend, but scheduling conflicts both with me and the current owner wouldn’t resolve, so the date is set for this coming weekend. I’m extremely excited to be adding this mare to my small herd. Now I’ve got the rest of the year to figure out if I want to breed her for race or sport… (I think it’s too late to really try for anything this year, at least for a race-bred baby.) Anyone have suggestions?

As for her race record, the reason she didn’t have more starts is because she was one of the ones who unfortunately kinda fell through the cracks during the Fred Hooper dispersal after he passed away. But she’s sound and healthy, and has put 3 babies on the ground in the past.

If you’re in Virginia and are looking for a TB sport horse, take a look at Default.

What strikes me about her pedigree is that she has tons of crosses of Domino. Almost every line of her pedigree, Seattle Slew, Crimson Satan, Tri Jet, and those three crosses of Olympia are full of Domino. That’s what I saw initially; there’s probably more. I am no pedigree expert but I have read many testimonies about the durability and soundness from the Domino lines.

In addition, I love the cross of My Babu, the grandsire of Damascus. I googled My Babu and found this info on Wikipedia: “descendants include Bruce Davidson’s former eventing mount JJ Babu, Anky van Grunsven’s dressage horse Bonfire, and puissance and grand prix jumper Sympatico.”

Nice pedigree.

In the Thoroughbred industry when one is evaluating a standard pedigree page, not just a 5 generation pedigree as you linked to, be it for purchase or planning a matting we look at two things; The top of the pedigree, the Top line, the sire of the subject horse. The sire line the strength of which is mainly taken from the very top line, the sire of the subject horse (1st generation), sire’s sire (2nd gen) , grand sire (3rd gen) etc. The dams do not hold the same relevance or near the same strength as the bottom line. If planning a breeding we will take it into consideration depending on the method, inbreeding, line breeding, etc. On a standard pedigree page there are only 3 generations. After that comes the sire blurb, his year of birth, race record and list of his most successful progeny if any. Or some other fill.
The bottom line comes next. The dam of the subject horse and it is looked at more closely, broadly on both sides. Her sire line, called the broodmare sire and more importantly her maternal line the very bottom on a multi-cross. La Troienne, 1926-54, 7 starts, placed twice is considered a “Blue Hen” mare, or a modern day foundation mare. La Troienne can be found in many pedigrees in many places, but the most valued is if the subject filly/mare is a direct descendent through her very bottom line. In others words her great, great, great, etc, grand mother.
A pedigree page will have the 1st dam, her race record, number of foals, number of foals that raced, number of foals that won. If she only had winners it list the ones with the most earnings and or stakes placed. Along with their sire.
If she produced stakes winners they will always be on the page, type of stakes and money earned. If one of her daughters is a producing mare it will say, producer. If she is the dam of a stakes winner it will list their name and race record
The same for the 2nd dam, 3rd dam, etc. The number of which is limited to the size catalogue page. A prolific producing 1st dam family is considered a “strong” 1st dam and may take up the entire page.
So, what does this all mean to the OP question. 1st now that there is a link to the “subject horse” Move ON, disregard the value of my previous post. It is irrelevant and a foot note as to the value. Either in dollars or in blood of the mare. IMO based on just names and race records of her bottom, unless she has produced some good race horses, at least a stakes winner or stakes place or a half sister to some good to very good race horses and or producers she has little to no value as a broodmare to produce race horses. At 14 she should have been able to produce a couple of significance race horses by now. Her top line Gold Meridian was an OK race horse and moderate sire and not a broodmare sire of any significance.
Sorry to be so long winded but I felt it necessary because I read too many posts picking apart Thoroughbred 5 generation pedigrees only based on the names. And giving far too much credit to middle placed family, generations back. With Thoroughbred race horse buyers and breeders the first 3 generations carry 99% of the weight. Everything else is frosting. The sire is a given, there are plenty of top sires that were bred to what turned out to be non producing mares and or families. The real strength of a pedigree is the bottom. The dam side. I completely understand why students of pedigree like to pick it apart. It makes for good conversation and fun. But anything past the 3rd generation adds little value or strength. Of course all of this is IMO. And many others also.