Any nice TB sport horse stallions standing in Ontario (Canada) this year?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

[QUOTE=Simkie;9039352]
Alrighty, here are some pics of Blamelessissmoking.

Apparently he’s quite the character and goes by “Clown.” He’s about 16.1, with limited showing due to an injury as a younger horse. Pics are from when he was shown at the Royal in 2015. Two foals, one TB and one draft cross, both have shown at Trillium. Stands in Carlisle, Ontario.

I can pass on contact details via PM if anyone would like more info. Looks like a neat horse, and a very good mover.[/QUOTE]

Wow! He is LOVELY. Thanks so much for sharing.

[cherham]

All very nice choices. One of my criteria is that the resulting foal is able to obtain full CSH papers though (not Canadian Warmblood) as I intend to show in the Canadian Sport Horse line classes here in Ontario. So a few of these nice stallions are not in the running unfortunately…but some are!

One of the mares I am leasing this year is by Rather Well (lovely mare, competed up to 2 star eventing) so he is not a choice for her…but maybe another mare here.

Blazing Colours stands a really nice TB stallion named Mirabeau. I really like him for my heavier Holsteiner/TB jumper mare this year. Just waiting to confirm he has received full breeding approval from RPSI (and hence will receive automatic sight unseen stallion approval from CSHA). Great thread everyone. Enjoying researching all these nice stallions on a cold freezing rain day.

[Jmarcan]

Sea Lion is listed in the Canadian Hanoverian Auction second round that starts this week…assume they ship either fresh or frozen from the US to Canada. There is also Half Moon Romance who is still at stud in southern Ontario who hasn’t been mentioned…

[TrueColours]

Blazing Colours stands a really nice TB stallion named Mirabeau.

Mirabeau isn’t a TB - he is a WB that came from Gwen Gregorio’s breeding program in Germany …

I am standing a very nice new stallion at our farm named Royal Beach Farao who competed and won at the GP and World Cup levels in Europe, the USA and Canada. He is very elegant, modern and refined in appearance and is Anglo Arab through his dam line, so he should also work to refine a heavier mare. He is being granted Sight Unseen approval with CSHA and will also be RPSI approved so he would meet your criteria in several different areas …

[Simkie]

It appears Thoroughbred stallions can be approved without performance results, so if there is a horse you like that is not already approved, it may be worth speaking with the stallion owner to see if they’d be willing to pursue approval.

[cherham]

Simkie I think the TB stallions still have to have a performance career of some type to be eligible for the CSHA sight unseen stallion criteria. Racing record counts of course too.

Thanks True Colours. I was not aware that your stallion was not full TB. Thanks for that clarification. My mare throws HUGE foals so I am looking to lighten her up at bit. Just a little unsure if Mirabeau might be a touch too heavy for her. I will PM you and we discuss this further…ideally would prefer a full TB.

[Simkie]

I’m not talking about sight unseen, cherham.

Per the website, they can be evaluated in person (phase one) but don’t need to have a performance history to be awarded bronze.

If there is a horse you like, speak to the owner about the possibility of presenting him for evaluation.

[cherham]

Ok that’s news to me. I have been out of the breeding game for a few years now. Just getting back into it again. That has certainly changed then. Thanks

[Simkie]

cherham, I’m just going off what I see on the website Worth investigating if you find a horse you like that is not approved!

[cyriz_s_mom]

Just an FYI, Hero’s Tribute is 3/4 by blood to Sea Accounts. I had actually spoken with Judy about a breeding syndication idea I had and she was looking for a TB stallion. Given her connections in the horse world, I thought it was pretty cool that she picked a stallion so closely related to Cyriz! And of course, Sea Lion (3* eventer) and Sea Lord (GP dressage) are also related.

[cherham]

For sure Simkie…I read the same thing and was frankly surprised at that myself. I have put a call out to the CSHA National Office to confirm that wording was in fact correct.

Thanks

[snaffle1987]

Id be lining up to breed to Blamelessismoking! what a diamong in the rough! He is lovely!!!

[Jumper_Bump]

Hey Everyone,

I was just chatting with the CSHA recently about “activating” a few stallions with them.

Basically this is what they said.

If the stallion is approved for breeding with another organization (KWPN, Oldenburg, Zangershiede ect…) then there is a $100.00 activation fee for the stud the year the foal is registered. The performance record of the stud decides what “level” (bronze, silver, gold ect…) the stud comes in at. So if the stud has no performance record but has breeding approval with another agency they will come in at the Bronze level as if they themselves had just gone to a CSHA inspection.

They have good working relationships with other registries and share DNA information so you don’t have to worry about that.

I don’t know if a racing record would qualify as a performance record.

However, I don’t believe the “level” of the stallion really effects anything for the foal anyway.

If the stud is unregistered it would need to attend a CSHA stallion inspection to obtain breeding approval.

[cherham]

I understand all the requirements for the breeding approval of CSH stallions (both born and inspected and performance clause met CSH’s) and those that meet the criteria for entry under the sight unseen clause…basically exactly what you have described Jumper Bump. The confusing part as written on the website however seems to indicate that a full TB stallion may obtain FULL breeding approval by CSHA solely based on inspection of the horse and therefore obtain the Bronze status without! the need for proven performance either himself or by his offspring. That opens the door to a lot of TB’s for entry into the CSHA studbooks. And that’s a very good thing I think. I have asked for clarification myself.

[Jumper_Bump]

[QUOTE=cherham;9040404]
The confusing part as written on the website however seems to indicate that a full TB stallion may obtain FULL breeding approval by CSHA solely based on inspection of the horse and therefore obtain the Bronze status without! the need for proven performance either himself or by his offspring. That opens the door to a lot of TB’s for entry into the CSHA studbooks. And that’s a very good thing I think. I have asked for clarification myself.[/QUOTE]

Yes, anyone can take a stallion to an inspection to have it assessed for approval.

I think everyone on here was trying to be helpful in suggesting that as you are not the owner of the stallion getting a stud site unseen approval would be easier and more cost effective. Then trying to convince a stud owner to prep and ship their horse to a stallion inspection. The prep being the big one… to make sure they are turned out well, clipped, braided, and actually handle in hand well and free jump well to show off their best side.

I don’t know if I would say opening in the door to a lot of Thoroughbreds in the CSHA stud books is necessarily a good thing. I think we need to remember the point of the CSHA association is to produce Sport Horses… not Race Horses and the thought that goes in to breeding each category is very different.

I am firmly against every failed race horse that comes off the track a stud being turned into a CSHA stallion without a performance record.

[LynneK]

This is a very nice older stallion. I saw him years ago in person.

[vandenbrink]

Not a lot of choice for full sport type thoroughbreds in Ontario…at least not Proven. How about a refining modern Warmblood especially if your one mare is already 1/2 TB. The Checkmates have been doing very well in the CSH line classes. I used him a few years ago and he certainly refined my mare.

[cherham]

Just received clarification directly from the CSHA National Office on this question and have permission from them to print this here and I quote…

"Racing records of TB stallions were previously accepted for the
performance requirement and given a performance premium.

With review of the performance premiums the Board decided to accept
the TB stallions provided they successfully passed the conformation,
movement & free jump inspection. They felt the performance premium
should reflect only results achieved in sport - hunter, jumper,
dressage, eventing by the stallion or his offspring.

Also with the requirement for the ‘distinct’ CSHA to have between
12.5 - 75% refinement (TB, Arab, Trak) we need the TB blood and most
of the TB stallions are not going to compete in a second career."

I was also further advised that any full TB stallion’s that successfully complete the inspection criteria above will receive Basic Approval (which still means that any resulting foal out of an approved breeding mare will obtain full CSHA papers).

So excellent news all around. I believe that the modern “sport horse” of today is now getting too heavy for most of the sales market. The Europeans figured this out as well and are always infusing TB blood into their " older warmblood" stock.

Off now to shop TB stallions for my mares…

[Fred]

Not a full TB, but Iron Horse is standing a beautiful rising 4 yr old son of
A Fine Romance, named Darwin.
He showed at the Royal this year and acquitted himself well.
He is CSHA reg and will be pursuing his licencing.
Disclaimer: I am not associated with the horse in any way, except as owner and breeder of his sire.
A Fine Romance and his sisters crossed beautifully with Holsteiners, especially ‘L’ line, and of course he was a proven performance horse and sire of exceptional performance horses.
It would also be interesting to cross an AFR son with a Rather Well daughter, as there would be linebreeding to some important individuals, not to mention proven athleticism and jumping ability.

Darwin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0DONgoanIE

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

He’s lovely Fred. Is he the only intact son, or are there others out there?