Any one have RIVERMAN offspring

[time_fault]

It’s not really a purist POV, just a certain take on things. As if that didn’t sound vague enough. But I am not as impressed with good riders who can’t bring along greens as I am with those who can. What good is a beautiful catch ride if you have to fix up what they left behind? It could be subtle and usually is, but it’s those subtle things that make you hire the rider less frequently in avoidance of having to spend time fixing what they made.

The way I see it is that good riders who can’t trains the greens are only good to ride horses who can’t be screwed up and what good is that? But I am looking at it from a hunter-world stand point and it may not be what you mean. I would just like to state that riders who can not train are not worth the time nor my money. Especially when I can put it into a rider just as good and can train the greens.

However I don’t have this problem since I train my own, but that’s just tooting my own horn. :winkgrin:

Good points though, I am thoroughly enjoying this thread.

[ShowjumpersUSA]

time fault, I think You and YankeeLawyer are talking about apples and oranges.

Bonnie

[YankeeLawyer]

[QUOTE=time fault;2037702]
It’s not really a purist POV, just a certain take on things. As if that didn’t sound vague enough. But I am not as impressed with good riders who can’t bring along greens as I am with those who can. What good is a beautiful catch ride if you have to fix up what they left behind? It could be subtle and usually is, but it’s those subtle things that make you hire the rider less frequently in avoidance of having to spend time fixing what they made.

The way I see it is that good riders who can’t trains the greens are only good to ride horses who can’t be screwed up and what good is that? But I am looking at it from a hunter-world stand point and it may not be what you mean. I would just like to state that riders who can not train are not worth the time nor my money. Especially when I can put it into a rider just as good and can train the greens.

However I don’t have this problem since I train my own, but that’s just tooting my own horn. :winkgrin:

Good points though, I am thoroughly enjoying this thread.[/QUOTE]

I do a lot of training of my own babies but haven’t myself won Olympic Gold yet, so when I can do both maybe I will agree with you ; )

[time_fault]

I think so too, but for some reason this perspective won’t leave my head!

[ShowjumpersUSA]

You’re both right but talking about different levels of professional. A Grand Prix rider has paid his/her dues.

Often A GP rider will have a working student or professional exercise rider, who is a very capable rider themselves, working for him/her. You will see the Grand Prix rider get on the horse to show the other rider what they want. The other rider gets on the horse and puts in her time doing her job and is usually honoured to have the opportunity.

All of this is supervised by the GP rider. Here’s a real catch…you need to have a lot of disposable income to send a young horse along with a pro. If you want a pro to take your project on, the horse has to go where the pro goes.

[mbj]

Another rave about Hilltop’s integrity and willingness to match your mare to an appropriate stallion, and their frankness about the pros and cons of their own stallions. They are wonderful to work with.

[time_fault]

Yeah I have been that assistant to the GP rider. But now I work for an FEI trainer who has more talent than my above mentioned employer.

[ShowjumpersUSA]

Time fault, you must have a lot of talent. An FEI trainer only hires the best. I know it’s hard work but, I bet you’re having fun!

Just a word about my experience with Hilltop from the perspective of a stallion owner. Nothing but raves… they simply couldn’t be more accommodating.

[system]

my horse riverwalk is a gelding out of riverman and he moves exceptionally well and wins the hack pretty much every time and will out jump most horses. I ride in the childrens and “rivi” will be able to move me up into the junior hunters for a little bit once i get him figured out. I think most of rivermans horses are the kind of horses that take a little while to understand. Rivi can be peaky and wild sometimes but also perfect at other times. Once i figured him we were champion at A shows. I came off of a pony and went right to a horse and he is the perfect horse for a pony rider to start on. He loves to cuddle and is very loving. And i do understand where people are coming from when they mean that the temperment of his offspring is mean because rivi doesn’t like certain people and he hates it when people come into his stall

[Oakstable]

The trainer who bought my 2000 Riverman out of one of my Dutch mares would have sold him as a young horse because he was difficult. Her husband wanted to keep him.

Now she just loves him to death.

They are really bonded. He trusts her completely and will do something he’d rather not because she asked him to do it.

He has been a dressage horse. But I have a couple jumping photos of him as a 2-year-old and the bascule is stunning.

I think it is wise to know the mare and what she throws before choosing Riverman. My mare was a maiden.

Of course, the horse grew out of his issues of being a little flighty and is a solid citizen.

[DownYonder]

Holy thread revival, Batman!

This thread has been in the archives for almost four years!

[Foxtrot_s]

You said it - I had read through quite a few posts before I recognized Szipi’s (and others) style of bashing and promoting his stallion - then it started to come back to me - darn it I hate it when that happens and an ancient thread is recusitated.

However, in retrospect it is in Riverman’s favour. I have a Royal Appearance look-alike mare, now seven, and at that time she was young and there was not too much to say about her. Now, she is a large mare at over l7.00 out of my TB mare. Indeed, I did work closely with Hasslers and Hilltop when I bred this mare and did take their advice. Their service was top notch.

Such a sweetheart, gentle yet noble, responsive yet calm. If she’s not ridden for a time, she’s fine with that - just back to work as normal. Never, ever pinned an ear or lifted a leg. It has taken this long for her to grow and mature.
She’s a joy. Forward and willing, no dumblood there, very light with enough Whoa to go with the Go.

Basically, these horses need time - this rushing to bring them along for the market does not suit all warmbloods. They are all rounders for performance.

[Callaway]

I have a Riverman yearling gelding out of a Capital III (Cor de la Bryere) x TB mare. He is quite sensitive, but very friendly and willing. I have to take things very slowly with him, but once he has something, he has it. He is the best mover on my farm. He has a fantastic hind end, and a lot of power and suspension. He carries himself very uphill. I can’t wait to start him under saddle if I don’t sell him first.

[luckyduck]

We had a Riverman gelding in training. He came to us with a “bad rap”…but I have to tell you…he was SO simple to keep happy. He wanted as much respect as he was asked to give, and once that was established, he was SO easy to train.

One of the most enjoyable horses we have EVER had in to train.

[VicarageVee]

Yes. I think they need to be “understood” and take some time to develop. From what I’ve seen of riverman babies in the event world they are a bit like australian shepards: if left to their own devices they can be destructive and naughty, but want to understand their job and have respect for those around them. If they aren’t given a job in a way they can understand they can become quite naughty!!

Plus, since this thread began we in eventing have seen R-Star progress with rider Kristi Nunnick into a truly genuine mare. And one of the nicest event horses in the country today.

[VicarageVee]

Yes. I think they need to be “understood” and take some time to develop. From what I’ve seen of riverman babies in the event world they are a bit like australian shepards: if left to their own devices they can be destructive and naughty, but want to understand their job and have respect for those around them. If they aren’t given a job in a way they can understand they can become quite naughty!!

Plus, since this thread began we in eventing have seen R-Star progress with rider Kristi Nunnick into a truly genuine mare. And one of the nicest event horses in the country today.

[Callaway]

My Riverman gelding is no way ever naughty or destructive; he is sensitive, that’s all. He just needs a little extra time to learn new things, then once he’s learned it, he has it. He’s one of the best behaved horses in the barn, even though he’s just a yearling.

[Oakstable]

I think the early bad reputation of Riverman youngsters is fading now that people understand them better, and also careful selection of the mares for him.

The talent is there, no doubt.