Any Quicksilver Bey experts out there? (Arabian stallion)

[mvp]

If you know Quicksilver Bey (Arabian stallion who did some dressage) or his offspring, will you help me evaluate a video of him? I’d like to do this via PM, perhaps.

I’m looking at a daughter of his who is said to be balanced but at a downhill stage of growth right now. I want to evaluate her daddy for his “uphillness,” but I don’t know what I’m looking at when it comes to that posture in Arabians versus a dressage- or jumping-bred WB.

I’m critical but also ignorant and I’d like some education, but not at the expense of a nice stallion.

Let me know if you can help and I’ll hit you up in the PM area.

Thanks!

[dressagechickmn]

If you can contact Lindsey Anderson on Facebook, she has a daughter by him as well and also rode him in the past herself. I believe Kassie Barteau rode him for a while too

[3rottenponies]

I would second contacting Lindsey about him. She seems very down to earth.

[DawnJL]

I third the recommendation to contact Lindsey Anderson (O’Keefe)

Here is her website: http://www.lindseyokeefedressage.com/

[mvp]

Thank you all! I’ll get in touch, if need be, and tell her that there was a consensus on COTH that sent me.

[3rottenponies]

Lol sounds good! Maybe she will become a member!

[californianinkansas]

I’d contact Arlene Magid via her FB page, or do a search for Quicksilver Bey on her FB page.

[Ammy]

This guy was a super nice dressage stallion and I was just inquiring about him myself.
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?490621-Saint-Sandro-Quicksilver-Bey-or

[Cold_Spring_Farm]

Lindsey’s QSB daughter is probably the best Arab/WB x out there. Just fabulous. If I were breeding again for a HA/WB I would undoubtedly use Mojave Kid. He has a FB page and is worth checking out!

[mvp]

[QUOTE=Cold Spring Farm;8670899]
Lindsey’s QSB daughter is probably the best Arab/WB x out there. Just fabulous. If I were breeding again for a HA/WB I would undoubtedly use Mojave Kid. He has a FB page and is worth checking out![/QUOTE]

I liked Mojave Kid until I saw him cross cantering around (and everyone cheering) in a video of a Scottsdale liberty class. I understand that I don’t understand the criteria involved in a liberty class. But I don’t want to see the sire of a would-be dressage nugget choosing to cross canter.

Am I wrong? How do I interpret that?

[Cold_Spring_Farm]

Check out his current under saddle videos. You will see his true gaits when not being chased around with bags and a jug of rocks…

https://www.facebook.com/Mojave.Kid/videos/vb.378818145492533/893712740669735/?type=2&theater

[mvp]

I agree that a liberty class doesn’t give me what I’d want to see— an honest representation of all three gaits. But I’d like to see a horse moving without a rider’s packaging as well. I need to see an “uninfluenced” canter in any horse I’d consider for dressage. And that’s especially true for a breed not selectively bred to do that job.

But I do think that, with some education, you can learn to see what the horse has to offer in terms of his basic biomechanics if you watch a lot of them under saddle.

@ Coldspring Farm. Do you know Mojave Kid well/personally? If so, we can continue this discussion via PM? I’m bumping right up against that line between thoughtful discussion and criticism of someone else’s stallion. I don’t want to do the latter publicly.

[Cold_Spring_Farm]

mvp… I saw him a few years back at Sport Horse Nationals and was able to observe him for a few days. Really lovely horse…and he has seemingly developed quite nicely.

Cross cantering at liberty does seem to be an Arab peculiarity. My PB gelding, who is schooling 4th and getting ready to show 3rd, will STILL do it on the lunge. Yet under saddle he is consistently doing clean twos and rarely makes a mistake. (But I still don’t like to see it when I am looking for a young horse and that seems to be their default mode at liberty.)

[Cold_Spring_Farm]

mvp… I saw him a few years back at Sport Horse Nationals and was able to observe him for a few days. Really lovely horse…and he has seemingly developed quite nicely.

Cross cantering at liberty does seem to be an Arab peculiarity. My PB gelding, who is schooling 4th and getting ready to show 3rd, will STILL do it on the lunge. (Which I rarely employ…just when I really need to wake him up! ???). Yet under saddle he is consistently doing clean twos and rarely makes a mistake. (But I still don’t like to see it when I am looking for a young horse and that seems to be their default mode at liberty.)

[Cold_Spring_Farm]

mvp… I saw him a few years back at Sport Horse Nationals and was able to observe him for a few days. Really lovely horse…and he has seemingly developed quite nicely.

Cross cantering at liberty does seem to be an Arab peculiarity. My PB gelding, who is schooling 4th and getting ready to show 3rd, will STILL do it on the lunge. Yet under saddle he is consistently doing clean twos and rarely makes a mistake. (But I still don’t like to see it when I am looking for a young horse and that seems to be their default mode at liberty.)

[mvp]

[QUOTE=Cold Spring Farm;8671121]
mvp… I saw him a few years back at Sport Horse Nationals and was able to observe him for a few days. Really lovely horse…and he has seemingly developed quite nicely.

Cross cantering at liberty does seem to be an Arab peculiarity. My PB gelding, who is schooling 4th and getting ready to show 3rd, will STILL do it on the lunge. Yet under saddle he is consistently doing clean twos and rarely makes a mistake. (But I still don’t like to see it when I am looking for a young horse and that seems to be their default mode at liberty.)[/QUOTE]

This is really helpful information. Thank you. I’d hate to judge a good hind end by it’s (seemingly bad) cross canter if the horse still gets the job done.

The bolded part is such a surprise! I’ll open my mind to the possibility that Arabians, at least, can still be pretty strong and engaged even if they would appear to use themselves in a way that suggests they can’t draw those hind legs under.

That said, do you see these Arabians and Half-Arabians able to passage and piaffe?

(And I know plenty of “professional dressage horses” can do those things while leaving their carcasses low and their hind ends out behind them a bit.)