Anyone driving an Andalusian, Lusitano or Lippizaner?

I’m working on an article and am looking for people who drive competitively (pleasure driving, driven dressage, combined driving, distance driving, etc; not covering fine harness for this article) with the above breeds. Or if you know someone not on COTH who might like to speak to me about their experiences, that’s great, too. If you have some good show photos, all the better!

I’ve put feelers out to the breed orgs, too.

PM me if you are interested… Thanks!

ETA: US -based would be best, though I might be able to mention overseas/Canadian participants if I can’t find enough in the US.

PM me. I know an individual here who drove a coach put to his homebred Andalusians.

four-in-hand

Bob Giles was driving a four of andalusions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s_G9Wi74NI&feature=channel_page

Jeff LaDue of the Iron Horse CDE used to drive a Lippizan mare, and there is a guy, from Canada I think, that competes a Lippizan pair at Metamora CDE most years.

I believe Bob’s team of mares were sired by an Andalusian and are out of Percheron/Morgan cross mares.

A long time ago, but Frank and Jean Kinsella drove a pair of Lipizans for many years in pleasure and, I think, early CDE competitions. Don’t know of anybody recently though.

Thanks, guys! That’s a useful start. I’d seen pictures of Bob Giles - I think those are half-Andalusians, but still might be worth following up on.

We once stopped to visit Kinsellas, and see their carriages. Frank asked husband if he wanted to go for a ride in the carriage. WELL YEAH!! So we all went outside and Frank yelled for the horses. It is really ROUGH ground there, just rock mountains. Frank was talking about how he had to dynamite each hole for the fenceposts. We were looking around, saw some horse heads at the TOP of the cliffs, then watched the LARGE Lippizans jump from ledge to ledge, coming down the face of the cliff!! Totally amazing, seeing them acting like mountain goats, all calm and deliberate! Looking at the string coming down, you could see the scrapes and marks on the rocks from sharp shoes. NOT the first time they came that way!! We walked over the the gate, each of us led in a horse, to get them harnessed at the barn. Frank brought them all in, rewarded for coming, though he only harnessed up a Pair.

They were BIG horses, 17H with BONE, good BIG hooves and amazing agility to manage those ledges, rocks. Frank said they were REAL Lippizans, bred from the mountain country horses, so it was not hard for them. Husband asked if they came special with suction in their hooves! I haven’t seen such big Lippizans before or since, but they were very nice animals. Good gaited, nice driving animals.

Just always was fun to remember how they just jumped off the tall cliff top to the ledges, hop-hop-hop down to the ground. Would have had a hard time believing they could manage that cliff, if we had not seen it ourselves.

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We once stopped to visit Kinsellas, and see their carriages. Frank asked husband if he wanted to go for a ride in the carriage. WELL YEAH!! So we all went outside and Frank yelled for the horses. It is really ROUGH ground there, just rock mountains. Frank was talking about how he had to dynamite each hole for the fenceposts. We were looking around, saw some horse heads at the TOP of the cliffs, then watched the LARGE Lippizans jump from ledge to ledge, coming down the face of the cliff!! Totally amazing, seeing them acting like mountain goats, all calm and deliberate! Looking at the string coming down, you could see the scrapes and marks on the rocks from sharp shoes. NOT the first time they came that way!! We walked over the the gate, each of us led in a horse, to get them harnessed at the barn. Frank brought them all in, rewarded for coming, though he only harnessed up a Pair.

They were BIG horses, 17H with BONE, good BIG hooves and amazing agility to manage those ledges, rocks. Frank said they were REAL Lippizans, bred from the mountain country horses, so it was not hard for them. Husband asked if they came special with suction in their hooves! I haven’t seen such big Lippizans before or since, but they were very nice animals. Good gaited, nice driving animals.

Just always was fun to remember how they just jumped off the tall cliff top to the ledges, hop-hop-hop down to the ground. Would have had a hard time believing they could manage that cliff, if we had not seen it ourselves.[/QUOTE]

Wow!! I’ve only seen smaller Lippizans, more in the 15hh range, a couple closer to 16. And honestly, though I know it’s in the breed, the ones I’ve seen haven’t appeared that athletic. Cool.

Lippizans are one of those breeds that are MUCH more capable than they look. They can be incredibly balanced, flexible, and SMART. They look like the “old grey horse” just standing about, but put a saddle on, and they “come together” ready for any request. Very agile, CAPABLE of many things. Bred to be the mount of kings and generals in war, have built-in ability, without too much in over-reactive behaviour. Used by working folks before they progressed up to the School, horses HAD to be usable with good brains. Those without brains, were not bred to pass it on.

Stallions EARNED the privilege of breeding, not used “just because of his bloodlines”, he had to PROVE that he was worthy of being a sire first. Went thru the Spanish School, used as a mount for the army. Obedient in ALL situations, capable absorbing the training required.

Mares were used for work at the stud farm, were the locomotion for carriages, farm vehicles that brought in the crops. They were under constant evaluation by the stud farm managers for brains, soundness, disposition, trainability, produce, good mothering skills. They had to be WORTHY of being the dams of the next generation, not just bred because they were mares. Mares and stallions were heavily culled to get the lovely animals we see now. Lesser animals were let go, removed from the gene pool. Just kept and bred the best ones.

Easy to miss the Lippizan out in the field, looks like an old plow horse resting. All those odd angles, large nose, flattish croup, not cute at all. No flash to be seen. Many folks won’t recognize a resting Lippizan if you point him out. But when they get it together, they can be quite marvelous under the direction of a skilled rider or driver.

George Bowman drove a four in CDE many years ago, sold them on to compete well under another driver. Europeans compete them fairly often driving. Shown in the old video, Horses in Sport, Driving. Might be available on Ebay.

I would call them more a “horseman’s horse” for the knowledgeable rider to handle. Their abilty, non-pretty looks would not be able to be used, recognized or appreciated by the less knowlegeable or skilled rider.

They still typically drive the mares in Austria and Hungary, no? I have seen Lippizans at some dressage shows and with the traveling troupes that perform around, and in films and videos from Europe, but fairly few “up close in person.” I’ve seen Lusitanos and Andalusians driven in Europe (and Brazil), but rarely here. Perhaps just because they are not particularly common anyway, as breeds?

Doesn’t Rae Fisher drive a pair of Lippizans in CDEs?

I can’t think of many in the USA but they are popular in Europe…

The Robison Ranch had many Lusitanos that were broke to drive. Some where I have pictures of a 4 up that is being used. My mentor started many of them in harness. LF

Felix Brasseur (BEL) drove 4 Lusitano stallions to the 1996 World driving Championships in Belgium.

The team was owned by Jose Manuel de Mello, president of the PSL. I believe Casa Cadaval used to breed for driving.

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The Robison Ranch had many Lusitanos that were broke to drive. Some where I have pictures of a 4 up that is being used. My mentor started many of them in harness. LF[/QUOTE]

I wonder where they ended up when the ranch was sold?

PS - I love that picture in your signature - what kind of harness is that? The breeching is unusual, and the way the noseband and blinders connect? Super cute horse, too.

Lip mare in OR

The woman that owns Glisan Street Saddlery (Linda) drives a Lipizzan. I’m not sure if the mare is half TB or full Lip. I’ve seen them at Beaver Creek CDE.