it’s quite a small volume and has a nice smell to it(kinda fruity) and I do feed beet pulp so he can’t really sort it out like a dry feed. I find it’s the weird smells of a lot of supplements or medicines that put the horses off.
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Is it actually a gel?
You would be amazed at the things my mare turns her nose up at (she sniffs things like a dog 
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(ETA I make up her feed myself in large baggies - I add some Triumph to the supplements, mix together and put it into a baggie - and I make several at once so they “live” in the farm truck so my BM can dump each baggie in the feed tub once a day.)
yup it comes in a mylar bag, you pull it up with a syringe - 8 mls loading dose than 4 mls. Quite a thick yellow gel about the same viscosity of gel toothpaste.
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I can’t speak to 4CYTE specifically, but back when I had my QH on a joint supplement that worked for him, I fed him when I was at the barn 4-6 days per week and it still worked.
Maybe you could double dose the day before a day you won’t be going out.
They also have a 250ml available. That’s 62 days, or 48 with two weeks loading double dose (6weeks). That’s what I’m planning to get for my trial run.
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Good idea – I can try that, and thanks!
Looking for something to tide me over until I start her on Adequan next month – she’s been on vacation for almost 2 1/2 months and I’m hoping to get back on this weekend 
I’d suggest staying at that size. I tried the bigger size after I decided to use it and it’s really hard to get the last bits out of the bag, and it was even harder with the bigger bag.
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I fold the bag (we use the 1 liter size) and then put a heavy duty bulldog clip on the fold. I do have to re-do the fold and clip daily, because you have to massage the stuff every day, but it works very well, especially when you get down to the end of the bag. I top dress it on feed, and even my incredibly picky and suspicious Appie gelding eats it. The first 3 days I syringe it in, and then once they’re used to the taste and smell they eat readily. It’s such a small amount once you’re done the loading dose!
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Ordered from Smart pak! Should get here early next week, and I’ll update the thread in a couple of weeks
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Read the study that was done on 4Cyte. 16 horses, aged 2 to 5, had surgically induced osteoarthritis and were then euthanized at the end study period (70 days). Just makes me sad.
You don’t know what else these horses had going on. We complain about lack of studies done on supplements and such, and then complain about it when it’s available.
We can’t have it both ways.
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I understand supplement companies and others have limitations on resources. I also think it is okay for us to wonder if the steps taken were the only available. If there were behavioral or other physical variables significant enough to justify euthanasia within 2 months of horses this young I do wonder how they controlled for this with such a small sample size and the ability to effectively evaluate differences observed. I don’t have answers but agree that the parameters outlined give me pause
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Equine research is fabulously expensive due to the housing and care requirements.
Therefore, numbers of animals in research projects are typically quite limited.
My guess, without digging, is that the horses involved were otherwise healthy, partly because with a small study size, one needs to avoid as many potentially conflicting variables as possible to generate the cleanest data.
Euthanasia at the end was likely in order to to obtain histological samples, which are higher quality data than the more subjective assessments of improvement in lameness. as well as providing evidence (or lack thereof) of activity of the experimental treatment at the tissue/cellular level.
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That’s how most of these studies are done. What dog food companies have done to test dog food will curdle your stomach.
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Hang the bag with the spout at the bottom. When it gets harder to syringe out, take the plunger out of the syringe, block the tip with your finger and squeeze the bag into the open syringe. Insert plunger, invert syringe (tip up), remove finger and gently depress air out. This will give you more than required, so just syringe out the 4ml and leave remaining gel in syringe.
My syringe lives in a shotglass (sticky dribbles) and bag sits upright (spout down) permanently. I rarely lose any remnants this way. At the end of each bag, wash out the shotglass and pour over feed. This has been the cleanest and easiest way to deal with this sticky menace! Also, put it on your feed as a topper, don’t mix it.
The dog bottle is heaps easier and cleaner, thinking of decanting my horse bag into the dog bottle and syringing it out with the dog syringe.
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I’d like to try it, but need to keep a handle on costs. I must have missed it, but what is the daily dose recommended?
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8ml loading dose for 14 days, then 4ml maintenance.
1L bag = 250 days of maintenance, approximately 8 months. 236 days if you’re starting with the loading dose.
250ml bag = 62.5 days of maintenance. 48.5 days if your starting with the loading dose.
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Search Facebook for some of their sponsored riders. Several have discount codes if you spend over $150 on the 4Cyte website.
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