Just found a great price on a gallon of Virgin, Organic Coconut Oil for anyone who might be interested. We use it for the horses as well as for cooking, etc. I’ve been spending a fortune buying by the 16 oz. ‘jars’ from Nutiva/Vitacost. This place has a gallon for $36.75 !! Haven’t found anywhere that can beat that price. So – just thought I’d share. The company is Jedwards and the link is: http://www.bulknaturaloils.com
Cocosoya from Uckele is part coconut, isn’t it?
Ayup, Coconut and soy. I’ve certainly had excellent results with cocosoya, and it is $70 for 5 gallons, plus shipping.
yes, its part of cocosoya but so is soy (cocoSOYa)-- and that’s all GMO now. I won’t feed it nor do we eat it. 
Pure coconut has awesome health benefits!
Pure coconut has awesome health benefits!
Maybe. Like promotion of atherosclerosis. The jury is still out on that one, but most of the other benefits attributed to virgin coconut oil are quack-driven and have taken on a life of their own.
Seriously, olive oil is SO much better for us. And that is unquestioned/unquestionable. (well, as much as things are ever certain in the world of science) At about half the price.
But I’m Italian, so it’s basically my lifeblood and I loathe coconut. :dead:
Here’s a good place to plug in information to filter out wacky/disreputable/quackish/non-factual sources of information:
http://www.hon.ch/home.html (Health on the Net Foundation, a non-government watchdog of reputable vs. non-reputable medical information)–worth keeping in the tool bar. :yes:
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Oh good grief. Not quack driven.The atherosclerosis was debunked awhile ago, if I’m not mistaken. Here are some articles that are concerning coconut oil: http://www.westonaprice.org/search/search?q=coconut+oil Mary Enig is, IMO, a wonderful resource. RE: atherosclerosis – http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/latest-studies-on-coconut-oil
I do agree that olive oil (extra virgin, cold pressed) is also an excellent oil. The price isn’t that much different. I buy that by the gallon for around $25. The Coconut is $36. So the difference is negligable, really.
And since you don’t USE CO, why bother even replying? Just cause I posted this and you can’t contain yourself from arguing? 
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What does coconut oil do for the horses?
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here’s a comprehensive resource about coconut oil:
http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/Coconut%20Research-Coconut%20Research%20Center.pdf
Lots of studies results.
Never met an argument I could pass by. 
And you are certainly not the only one. As to “debunked”, the jury is still very definitely OUT on whether coconut oil (non-adulterated) is good, bad, or neutral. Certainly the partially hydrogenated stuff is God-awful. One can find studies where the virgin stuff had positive effects, negative effects, and neutral effects if one goes hunting. Very little of it in humans, alas. And NONE that I’m aware of in equines.
I’m sorry, but I don’t consider the Weston Price foundation an unbiased resource. They have a huge, huge agenda towards promoting the use of animal products and a gigantic investment in “debunking” the link between animal fats and heart disease. This is not to say that organizations with the opposite viewpoint have any less of an agenda! :lol: But neither are particularly good sources of unbiased, spin-free information. :no:
Coconut oil is atherogenic and is a saturated fat (in spite of protestations to the contrary via the WPF), at least the kind that is most commonly used in foods. To claim otherwise is disingenuous on their part–there are almost NO food products that contain the unadulterated kind. One has to look quite hard to find the kind you’re talking about, and given the cost difference between the “virgin” kind and the modified kind, it is virtually never the “better” type that is found in foods. WPF fails to elucidate the distinctions for some odd reason. Then again, they suggest we all eat lots of butter, too, because it’s GOOD for our hearts. :eek:
So again, the putative benefits on lipids/atherogenesis are still up in the air and there is LOTS of agenda floating around on either sat of THAT debate. Which is irrelevant to horses utterly as they do not suffer from atherosclerosis. :lol: The other stuff? Anti-viral, anti-cancer, anti-bacterial? Quack driven. No question.
Completely off the subject, but I wonder who would win a celebrity death match between the WPF and ADM? :lol:
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Let me ask how likely you think it is that the “Coconut Research Center” would include anything even remotely negative about coconut products on their website? :lol:
UNBIASED research–the Holy Grail for those who seek.
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What does coconut oil do for the horses?[/QUOTE]
It is a fat source much like any of the others (flax, canola, olive, corn, safflower, etc.). Atherogenic or anti-atherogenic effects are completely irrelevant in equines and all the other putative benefits are not supported by (unbiased, good) evidence.
So basically it’s fat. 
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Let me ask how likely you think it is that the “Coconut Research Center” would include anything even remotely negative about coconut products on their website? :lol:
UNBIASED research–the Holy Grail for those who seek.[/QUOTE]So how likely is it that a cardiologist would include anything even remotely negative about pharmaceuticals or western medicine in their discussions? Unbiased? HA!
Come on delta – do you honestly believe that ALL those studies listed are quackery? That’s why I posted that site because its loaded with the studies that you so want to always see. Yet you claim that Olive Oil is the best. So why are studies done on Olive Oil acceptable to you yet studies on Coconut Oil are not?
So all those studies are wrong, I guess, by your estimation.
Just for alternative views on Olive Oil – here’s a paper written about it:
http://www.thevegetariansite.com/health_oliveoil.htm That doesn’t paint such a pretty picture of Olive Oil, does it? The references cited in that article seem to be pretty trust-worthy, do they not?
Of course when oils (any kind) are put into foods and processed they are changed. Oils are changed when we start to heat them up. Any oils. Any food, period. With all the GMO crap today I wouldn’t even THINK to use corn oil for horses - never mind soy/vegetable oil. I won’t use them for anyone in this household or on this farm.
And just to go back a post or so – Dr. Price’s studies are rather an interesting read. More telling are the photos included in his research. Have you ever read them?
Well, at any rate – for those who DO use coconut oil the price on the page that I posted first off can’t be beat. Wanted to share that. 
Whether you feed it to your horse or not, I just want to point out that it’s a great make-up remover and moisturizer!
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You don’t pay attention at all, I guess. I am EXTREMELY down on pharmaceuticals and the pharmaceutical industry (especially their prices) unless there is a clear and compelling need that outweighs the risks. Unfortunately in my line of work there are LOTS of compelling needs, so I do use meds, all the time. With a healthy respect for the down-sides. For the average horse owner with a healthy, normal animal, there is NO clear and compelling need, the way I see it, to be adding things just for the hell of it, no matter how warm and fuzzy they are made to seem on websites trying like crazy to sell a product.
You had done so well for a while, making baby steps towards distinguishing actual, dispassionate research from editorials written on websites. Now you’re regressing again. But since you linked a nice editorial piece, what about it, exactly, made you jump to the conclusion now that olive oil is “not so pretty”. When a couple of posts back you sang its praises. 
The article to me is pretty tepid as far as blowing olive oil out of the water and rather emphasizes how much better it is than any other fat but that it’s neither panacea nor miracle. I would agree with that wholeheartedly. If we must use fat, it ought to be olive oil, period. But we are better off ditching our passion for fats in general.
Yes, old Dr. Price was a piece of work and interesting indeed. I have read lots of his “work” and the spinoff from his single-mindedness is staggering. In my opinion, he was a crank of the highest order. A crazy old coot of a dentist who let his passions get the better of his intellectual honesty. But interesting? HECK, yes. :yes: He’s right up there with Hahnemann. Love the old crazies, they make the history of science a LOT less boring.
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Whether you feed it to your horse or not, I just want to point out that it’s a great make-up remover and moisturizer!
Really? So like baby oil? Or is it less oily?
I use it to make soap all the time! But that’s about all I know about it…
Again – don’t think you’re confused. Just spinning what you read so you can argue. I didn’t say that I concluded that olive oil is ‘not so pretty’ – what I stated was,
That doesn’t paint such a pretty picture of Olive Oil, does it?
meaning the ARTICLE doesn’t paint such a pretty picture. I use both Coconut and Olive Oil in our diets.
I happen to agree with you on this –
For the average horse owner with a healthy, normal animal, there is NO clear and compelling need, the way I see it, to be adding things just for the hell of it, no matter how warm and fuzzy they are made to seem on websites trying like crazy to sell a product.
I use 1/4 c. of oil for the ‘salads’ for 3 horses, 3 ponies, an old goat and old donkey. I use that to help bind the kelp powder and wheat grass powder that I also add (wheat grass for chlorophyll since we have NO grass at this point in the field. The kelp I feed for overall health - vits and minerals.) as well as to help mix in the rosehip powder and msm that I give for the older guys. What I’ve observed is the added oil (and organic vinegar) also promotes healthy coats and healthy skin. I can only assume that the outside is also indicative of the inside of the animal.
I feed it to my show mare to help build muscle.
Dr. Oz (who I consider to be pretty reliable source) has been raving on coconut oil. From his website:
http://www.doctoroz.com/blog/charles-mattocks/benefits-coconut-oil
http://www.doctoroz.com/blog/audrey-kunin-md/going-nuts-about-coconut-oil
http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/coconut-oil-super-powers-pt-1
http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/coconut-oil-super-powers-pt-2
As with anything though…too much of a good thing is not so good. Everything in moderation.
We use coconut oil for our dog that has severe allergies. You can buy virgin, unrefined coconut oil in our area at drug stores, by the large container, for $4.00. Yes, it’s the virgin coconut oil versus the ones they sell for cooking normally. It is solid at room temperature and melts with a little application of heat (even rubbing it in your hands.) The good coconut oil should smell like coconuts. The bad one without any nutritional or fatty benefits is often yellow, solid, and doesn’t have a smell.
Dr. Oz (who I consider to be pretty reliable source) has been raving
Oh my goodness. Really? He is a promoter of the “work” of Dr. Mercola, the quack I referenced a few posts back. He’s a well-groomed, well-trained nutter who’s gone off the deep end. IMO. Happens to more than a few “normal” doctors, actually. A form of burnout that unfortunately lets the person keep their credentials and credibility while going off the rails on whatever crazy train they happen to have boarded. :sigh:
ETA it also in the case of Dr. Oz is probably VERY lucrative. :eek:
Thankfully I have horses to prevent burnout. I can’t imagine the grief I would get if I all of a sudden went herbal. :lol:
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Is that the cardiologist equivalent of going postal?
