From what I have heard some appendix QHs have a lot more TB in them than QH.
Some of them must be able to hold speed over distance, in what races are they eligible to run against their pure blooded cousins?
If a horse is 15/16 TB by blood then it will logically probably perform like a TB even though it is registered as a QH.
No Appendix, no matter the percentage, is permitted to run in Thoroughbred races.
Occasionally a Thoroughbred will run in a Quarter Horse race, though.
Appendix QHs may be 7/8 or 15/16ths TB, but the TB sires they breed to are almost exclusively very fast sprinter types. It’s not like they are outcrossing to horses that go 12f, so they are not bred for stamina.
At some tracks in OK, TX, NM, CA you will see races at 4f (880yds) that are open to both QHs and TBs. They are usually cheap races with small purses.
Didn’t Storm Cat sire some Appendix foals towards the end of his career? Have any of them won any big QH races?
I know that in the (distant) past you could get papers from the JC “for racing purposes only” when you could not verify breeding, or for that matter, thoroughbred-ness. Several horses running in National Steeplechase Association sanctioned races got in through this route. Don’t know if this is still an option, but I emailed the JC and asked.
I think that if you had these papers on an Appendix (or a Selle Francais, or whatever) you could run them, at least over fences.
Madeline- I assume that this is what O’hara, Farely and any author of children with horses of unknown or dubious* breeding entering and winning against the Ultimate racehorse X.
Lets put on our conspiracy hats (Usually made of tin foil) and speculate on ‘why’ the big mean Jockey Club changed this.
My theory
Too keep the Riff-raff out of a club that was once the sport of kings (Think back tp how they weighted Phar Lap because tehy thaught his owner was an upstart (Insert expletive)) the Generational TB owners/breeders were affronted that an upstart who didn’t come from enough money to have built the racetracks shouldn’t be allowed to run their horses on it. Similar to the resentment felt by taxpayers who are forced to put up with illegal alien children in the schools that they pay for.
*Hey the ‘Black’ could have come from around Dubai.
Some appendix QHs have a lot of TB blood.
An appendix, as defined by AQHA, is a registered Thoroughbred crossed on a registered American Quarter Horse. The resulting foal is placed in the Appendix registry, and have a different registration number and different color certificate. They are considered a Quarter Horse and are allowed to race and show against QHs. They aren’t allowed to race against Thoroughbreds.
An Appendix horse is considered a QH, but to produce a registered QH foal, it must be bred back to a full QH….UNLESS it proves itself in the QH world by either racing at a certain level or earning a register of merit. If they meet the performance criteria, they can advance to the full registry. Then they could technically be crossed on a Thoroughbred again and thus the higher percentage of TB blood is possible.
Here is some info on the rules: http://americashorsedaily.com/appendix-vs-quarter-horse/#.U3vGjnZCDcs
Obviously they’re breeding a certain type of Thoroughbred. Beduino is a full thoroughbred and was a very influential QH sire, but if you look at a picture of him, he is built for sprinting. http://www.circledhorses.com/beduino_color.jpg
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Didn’t Storm Cat sire some Appendix foals towards the end of his career? Have any of them won any big QH races?[/QUOTE]
He had just one QH foal, named Stray Cat, who won a Grade 3. But Storm Cat has a number of sons who have been sires of QHs. http://www.aqha.com/Racing/News-Articles/Stray-Cat-Wins-Graded-Stakes.aspx
Hate to bust the QH people’s bubble but did any of them ever hear of this guy?
http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=Horse&refno=505643®istry=T
Is nothing new about this. Their foundation sires were TB’s. Go back a few generations on most of them and they have a lot of unknowns and ranch mare #2 and so forth.
Looking at it objectively that breed registry is a joke. Most of them will bleed out all the QH blood if they get a tickbite:rolleyes:
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Hate to bust the QH people’s bubble but did any of them ever hear of this guy?
http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=Horse&refno=505643®istry=T
Is nothing new about this. Their foundation sires were TB’s. Go back a few generations on most of them and they have a lot of unknowns and ranch mare #2 and so forth.
Looking at it objectively that breed registry is a joke. Most of them will bleed out all the QH blood if they get a tickbite:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
NEWSFLASH! OMG I didn’t know that most of the foundation sires of Quarter Horses were Thoroughbreds! :eek: Oh no! And if you’ve studied enough QH pedigrees, there were a lot of Morgans and the odd Saddlebred, Percheron and Arabian if you look hard enough. 
Tell us something we didn’t already know.
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Hate to bust the QH people’s bubble but did any of them ever hear of this guy?
http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=Horse&refno=505643®istry=T
Is nothing new about this. Their foundation sires were TB’s. Go back a few generations on most of them and they have a lot of unknowns and ranch mare #2 and so forth.
Looking at it objectively that breed registry is a joke. Most of them will bleed out all the QH blood if they get a tickbite:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Not a QH person, but I remember Three Bars, and I remember Depth Charge.
Not all QH have a high percentage of TB. but then start looking way back and see how many TB have a very high % of Arab. So from there you can start extrapolating all sorts of things, considering a world where a breeding was what the breeder said it was. :lol:
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I know that in the (distant) past you could get papers from the JC “for racing purposes only” when you could not verify breeding, or for that matter, thoroughbred-ness. Several horses running in National Steeplechase Association sanctioned races got in through this route. Don’t know if this is still an option, but I emailed the JC and asked.
I think that if you had these papers on an Appendix (or a Selle Francais, or whatever) you could run them, at least over fences.[/QUOTE]
To the best of my knowledge, the North American ‘for racing purposes only’ (frpo) registrants are eligible to run in any and all JC-sanctioned events and always have been. What’s changed over time is the eligibility requirement for frpo registration. There’s always been a large discretionary element involved. Gaps and ‘flaws’ in pedigrees notwithstanding, discretion usually favored registration until ~1909 when the keepers of the GSB began to vocalize their concerns about American-breds that could not trace in every line to stock previously recorded in their books. Since then, and especially after 1932, the criteria for frpo regisration’s been more restrictive.
The North American JC is bound by the ISBC to recognize as TB anything that is recorded as such in the registry of another ISBC member but not necessarily to recognize their frpo registrants and give them papers to compete here. If you get a reply clarifying their policy on this, please post an update. Thx!
Both my appendix gelding and my mostly foundation when mare can be traced back to the Godolphin Arabian and the Byerly Turk. I showed a full QH stud in the 60s who was indeed 7/8 tb, went back to Man O’War through War Admiral three different times. Both quarter horses and saddlebreds descend from tb’s imported to the colonies.
Is three bars present in any TBs racing today? All breed pedigree lists all his get as QH.
There is a lot of morgan blood in QH pedigrees also.
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Is three bars present in any TBs racing today? All breed pedigree lists all his get as QH.
There is a lot of morgan blood in QH pedigrees also.[/QUOTE]
That’s a very interesting question. I have no knowledge as to whether or not he was ever even bred to any Thoroughbreds.
If you look up progeny on the TB database there are 40+/- TB’s. A quick glance didn’t show me any names I knew, but Three Bare TB’s do exist.
Three Bars is still found in the occasional TB pedigree, maybe most often via daus. of Shanekite. His TB son Rocket Bar (2d sire of QH legend Dash For Cash) and his TB dau. Lena’s Bar (dam of Easy Jet) are in the AQHA HOF.
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