Appetite suppressant for cats...

My cats each get 2/3 of a pouch of good quality wet food twice a day, along with a little bit of Wysong Uretic dry. One has chronic cystitis so this works well for controlling that. All three cats are healthy, shiny, active, and in great weight. One is 13, one 12, one 9.

However, they all act like rabid, starving, feral raccoon hell-beasts. The female cat isn’t the brightest or most graceful, so it’s not really her, but the two males will jump onto the counters directly in front of us, sneak up behind us to smack food off of our plates, lick the inside of the kitchen sink and a hot pan on the stove, gnaw through sealed bags of food, and open cupboards (one of them has thumbs, and he’s learned how to use them on simple doorknobs, because he is 10% cat and 90% velociraptor). It is driving us insane.

The worst is that they knock stuff down that the dogs get to, and then the dogs get sick. My elderly dog died last year of chronic pancreatitis that first started when she got into chocolate that I thought was in a cat-proof location. Last night we came home and they’d knocked a fresh bag of cat food off the counter, gnawed through it, and left it for the dogs, who all spent a miserable night.

We obviously try to keep everything locked up, but there’s always going to be something we forget or that we think is secure but isn’t. At this point, we’re ready to just start leaving a bowl of dry food out all the damn time, but I’m afraid of my one cat’s cystitis returning and also of how morbidly obese they’re going to all become, especially since they’re older. On the other hand, they are likely to kill my dogs, set themselves on fire, or choke to death on a piece of plastic.

Is there a magic food or feeding routine that will make them behave like civilized animals and not Satan’s furry minions, but also not turn them into walking vet bills?

It sounds like it’s not so much an appetite problem but a boredom/hunting problem. Your cats are enjoying the challenge of the hunt for food. Playing with them more can help also getting a slow feeder for there food so they have to work to get it out. There are several on amazon and I have a catit racetrack that I will occasionally drop treats into.

Sounds like you need to get baby locks on the cabinets and it they steal food from you catch them and pry it from their mouths. That will slow that down.

What about setting up autofeeders so they stop associating the human with the delivery of food?

Fiber can help them feel full, but I don’t think simple fiber will solve your problem.

Can you make the counters unappealing? Maybe aluminum foil or even scat mats.

We’ve tried the aluminum foil or sticky tape on the counters, but they’re smart enough to know it’s not up there if we’re in the kitchen, and also balanced enough to land in a very small area to scout the terrain. Raptors, I tell you.

We also have the childproof locks but they figured out how to depress those.

I like the slow-feeder or puzzle kind of ideas. We do those with the dogs, both puzzle toys and Kongs, but hadn’t thought of trying it with the cats. Maybe I’ll experiment with some of the puzzle toys we have; Kongs won’t work because they have to eat out of the dogs’ reach. Are there cat-specific slow feeders or puzzle toys out there? I feel like most of ours are designed for dogs to lift parts out with their mouths, which won’t work for most cats, but then again

I think I really like your cats!

Sorry I don’t have any helpful suggestions, though.

Freezing the wet food will make it last longer. They’ll have to work harder at it and it may prove more satisfying for them. Just one more thing to try :slight_smile:

I use this one for dry food. It sits on a table and looks like a nice abstract centerpiece.
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-Pet-Tiger-Diner-Ceramic/dp/B007DOS9C2/ref=sr_1_2?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1439427280&sr=1-2&keywords=cat+slow+feeder

get some friction pads for under it and it’s great. Doesn’t move at all.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H876X5Y?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00

here’s more on amazon some can be used with wet or frozen
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_1?rh=n%3A2619533011%2Ck%3Acat+puzzle+feeder&keywords=cat+puzzle+feeder&ie=UTF8&qid=1439428670&spIA=B00UNQZ2QI,B0123HPN8Q,B011XRY9I2,B0122CUK12,B01225SSSQ,B011XRX9W4

Here’s Jackson Galaxy’s feeder (it can be used with wet or you could do the freeze it and then put frozen chunks in the feeder.

http://www.amazon.com/Petmate-Jackson-Galaxy-Fish-Cat/dp/B00O3GWKIC

Thanks Paks! I’ll look into all of those.

I just put their dry food into two of the puzzle toys on the table. The two boys investigated for about a minute, decided it was too much work, and went into the kitchen to go lick pans. Isolde the girl-cat is working to knock them off the table. At least someone’s enriched.

ETA: Eventually they got one of them knocked off the table, the dogs went crazy, and everybody scrambled to get more cat food, mostly the dogs that are on a bland rice and pumpkin diet to recover from the cat food. Winning!

ETA: Isolde is lying on top of the other puzzle toy blocking the boys from getting it.

Food ball! Put kibble in one and they have to bat it around to get it. Won’t work for wet food but mugjt keep them “busy” while trying to get the dry!

Fwiw I also have hungry cats. You could also get a poodle and teach said poodle to “get the cats” when they are naughty. The poodle thinks it’s a great game and the cats then focus their energy on plotting poodles death rather than ransaking the kitchen.

Food ball is cheaper.

I have the egg-cersizer and the cats go crazy for it.

http://www.chewy.com/cat/petsafe-funkitty-egg-cersizer-cat/dp/48666?utm_source=google-product&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=hg&utm_content=PetSafe&utm_term=&gclid=Cj0KEQjwgLGuBRCqptLsnJCvh-wBEiQAiNRjsYjknb7rKPeJTHLVQFUnGuDYqSpHiFZYC8v4CGg6K6YaAppO8P8HAQ

I thought about you at 5 this morning when my jerk of a cat was pushing everything off my side table and howling…The chi cross who sleeps with me was no help, although he runs the roost when he’s awake - he’s 6 now and sleeps like a log.

Funny! My 16 year old cat now loves eating since I got her Solid gold wet food she eats breakfast at 2 am, 3 am 6 am 7 am and lunch dinner all day. Sigh at 16 I figure she deserves it and she is chubby but oh well she has been with me through a lot so I give into her.

[QUOTE=SarahandSam;8269202]
However, they all act like rabid, starving, feral raccoon hell-beasts. The female cat isn’t the brightest or most graceful, so it’s not really her, but the two males will jump onto the counters directly in front of us, sneak up behind us to smack food off of our plates, lick the inside of the kitchen sink and a hot pan on the stove, gnaw through sealed bags of food, and open cupboards (one of them has thumbs, and he’s learned how to use them on simple doorknobs, because he is 10% cat and 90% velociraptor). It is driving us insane. [/QUOTE]

SNORT! You should WARN people before making them spray soda out their nose!

I own one of these. Heck, yours almost sound mild in comparison. I once stopped mine from climbing into the oven, which was propped open, and on broil because she really loves cheese. She has blistered paw pads trying to fish things out of boiling water. She once ate 3 cups of kibble in one sitting when she ripped into a bag (and she only weighs 6 lbs).

After nearly two years I have managed to eliminate the majority of her inappropriate behavior. She counter surfs after meals and will go after dishes in the sink, but it is incentive to wash them immediately.

What helped my cat:

(1) food goes in the fridge, pantry, or a set cabinet. The pantry and the cabinet have a child-proof lock and are closed. If I leave overnight I also add a zip tie to those shut. Food that needs to cool goes in the microwave or oven. If it is too big for those then she goes into the spare bedroom.
(2) She gets about a 1/8-1/6 cup of water added to each meal. It fills her up a lot and slows her down.
(3) She gets treats at set intervals. I either put 1/6 c kibble in a slow feeder ball or she gets to lick out a bowl/plate before it goes into the dish washer every night. This seems to help with her need to “hunt” and gives her some break from the monotony of meals.
(4) We do about 20 minutes of laser pointer every night that involves stairs, scaling a cat tree, etc.
(5) She gets as much time out on the screened in porch as I can manage.

She was a 6 month old feral when she came inside and her need to hunt and binge runs deep. Finding a toy (laser pointer) that she loves and getting safe time “outdoors” made the biggest difference. My sister’s cat does his outdoor time on a harness and his play time is learning tricks for grain-free kibble. My cat would starve before learning to jump into my arms and hers would chew through a slow feeder before figuring it out. It definitely takes some trial and error.

GraceLikeRain, that’s my one cat exactly!

I do add water to their food, but maybe I should add some more. I wonder if they’ll eat baby carrots like the dogs do to fill them up?

I have Kongs and other treat balls, but unfortunately those won’t work because they’ll knock them off the table and into the waiting jaws of the dachshunds. I like the idea of giving them treats at certain intervals; we really don’t give them many treats, so that might help.

I really need to figure out how to play with them more, but when the cats play, the dachshunds get all fun-police on them, so it goes south quickly. Also the cats quickly devolve from playing to trying to take chunks out of each other. Same thing happens with catnip; they’re mean drunks.

I’ve tried to do harnesses to take them outside, but they never moved past the “omg get this web of acid off of me I’ll just lie here and die passively” stage.

Will work for food.

StG

I think you need dog-free play time then. Can you send the dogs on a walk with dad or something and have cat fun time? My former feral is VERY playful and energetic. She has a whole basketful of toys that she gets things out of regularly to bat around the house. And snakes on sticks and a laser pointer, etc. She needs a lot of exercise.

I tried the Egg-cersizer and another ball of the same type with my fat cat. It was great, and she figured it out pretty quick. However, I have old, wide wood boards in that room and there are big cracks between the floorboards. There were a lot of crunchies stuck in the floor, that I then vacuumed up. And when I couldn’t get them up, then the ants came. So it might not work then, but on a more modern wood floor or a tile or carpet it would be fine.

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I like the idea of giving them treats at certain intervals; we really don’t give them many treats, so that might help. [/QUOTE]

Choose your intervals carefully because you are adding additional feedings to the schedule. Cats are VERY strict about their schedules. My cat gets treats at these times:

  1. When I get up and take my meds in the morning ( she learned this when she was on a daily Zyrtec pill bottles = treats)

  2. When I get home from work I go out and check the garden. She goes with me and gets a treat at the garden shed which keeps her from wandering too far from the garden shed while I water.

  3. After Supper when we get our dessert

  4. At bedtime as a reward from getting out of the bedroom.

Now the downside:

  1. You may not oversleep and take your meds late cuz there are kitty treats involved. I don’t care if it’s Sunday!

  2. As soon as I get home from work she goes to the door and starts crying as if her heart will break until we go outside.

  3. Dinner is over when she says it’s over! There will be no lingering over a glass of wine having adult conversation.

  4. Lights out at 10pm. 9pm “Is it time for bed yet?” 9:15 pm “is it time for bed yet?” 9:30 pm “is it time for bed yet?” 9:45 pm “is it time for bed yet?”
    And don’t try locking her out of the bedroom before you’re done watching TV because then she sits outside the door and cries like her heart will break because she’s missing the end of the TV show.

You get the picture?