So if you want a good strong dose of “mother” you’d want to eat the rotting apple mash before they turn it into vinegar and kill off the “mother”. Or so you’d think.
That was/is my understanding. I shall pass on ingesting rotten fruit and if I want fermented liquid I choose vodka in minute quantities. 
The “mother” is made up of living nutrients
A “living nutrient” is as nonsensical a phrase as a “balanced gut pH”. Scientifically speaking. I do not speak pseudoscience.
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A “living nutrient” is as nonsensical a phrase as a “balanced gut pH”. Scientifically speaking. I do not speak pseudoscience.[/QUOTE] “living nutrient” is rather a synonymous phrase.
And perhaps someday you’ll find that to expand your studies to some of the ‘pseudosciences’ might also expand your own thinking and be beneficially “enlightening”.
Synonymous phrase for what?
Pseudoscience?
A molecule of iron or magnesium or copper derived from a hunk of rock that finds its way into our body is very much a nutrient. And very much non-living. As is nearly every living thing we ingest, by the time the stomach gets to work, except maybe parasites. And those I can live without.
Thinking is thinking. I engage in the critical type, generally speaking. Pseudoscience, by definition, is that which does not withstand the application of critical thinking. I find there is plenty in the realm of the scientific world to satisfy my curiosity and need to learn, and there’s plenty left to figure out without going off into the realm of non-science.
When I want enlightenment I study the great philosophers. Or, to fake it, I’ll occasionally have a little fermented liquid.
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When I want enlightenment I study the great philosophers. Or, to fake it, I’ll occasionally have a little fermented liquid. :D[/QUOTE]
Young people are in a condition like permanent intoxication, because youth is sweet and they are growing.
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/2073.html – Aristotle.
Hehehe …
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Synonymous phrase for what?
Pseudoscience?[/QUOTE] I just equate ‘nutrient’ with living ‘things’ so the phrase is redundant, actually.
You might equate whatever you like, but the term “living nutrient” came from one of your cited references.
So only living things are nutrients? Or is it that nothing that is dead has nutritive value? Or . . . ? 
You certainly have your own unique set of definitions! Maybe that’s why I struggle to understand you. :no:
Oh good grief … well, I use the term frequently so I guess I’m plagiarizing or something?
So only living things are nutrients? Or is it that nothing that is dead has nutritive value? Or . . . ?
I merely said that’s what I equate it with. I realize that minerals and such are not ‘live’ and are ‘nutrients’ as well. We were discussing Raw Apple Cider Vinegar, however …
You certainly have your own unique set of definitions! Maybe that’s why I struggle to understand you. :no:
I think that you have a struggle because you’re limited to thinking in scientific parameters. There’s a whole lot more ‘out there’ than what meets the eye … and cannot be defined in scientific terms.
There’s a whole lot more ‘out there’ than what meets the eye … and cannot be defined in scientific terms.
Such as . . . ? The supernatural? That is, strictly speaking, the only entity that cannot be defined in scientific terms. Which leads me back to the realm of those who might wish to imbue the humblest of chemicals with fantastical properties. :lol: So thank you for making my point. 
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Such as . . . ? The supernatural? That is, strictly speaking, the only entity that cannot be defined in scientific terms. Which leads me back to the realm of those who might wish to imbue the humblest of chemicals with fantastical properties. :lol: So thank you for making my point. :)[/QUOTE] DW – in your ‘line’ of work you must have dealt or deal with NDEs. How do you explain those? Ever hear of Dr. Melvin Morse? I’m reading a book he wrote now. (It’s an older one but interesting.) But this is way off topic but just to add some ‘thinking’ material for you. I don’t believe NDEs can be explained scientifically in as much as 'the God Spot" really can be, either. So yes, supernatural … call it fanatical, if you will, but that doesn’t make it all the less real.
Dopamine. And preconceived notions.
Same reason buddhists never see Jesus in their dreams or post-arrest, etc.
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Dopamine. And preconceived notions.
Same reason buddhists never see Jesus in their dreams or post-arrest, etc. :)[/QUOTE]
OK, well that answered my question! 
You’ve not read Dr. Morse’s works then.
As I said, there is plenty of real science to study without seeking out pseudoscience.
And although the topic is as fascinating as any I’ve ever come across (I prefer Newberg’s synthesis, personally), to delve too far off from what the still-very-preliminary research shows and to draw sweeping conclusions from this little bit of knowledge is pseudoscience all the way, more’s the pity. I am willing to wait to draw conclusions.
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As I said, there is plenty of real science to study without seeking out pseudoscience.
And although the topic is as fascinating as any I’ve ever come across (I prefer Newberg’s synthesis, personally), to delve too far off from what the still-very-preliminary research shows and to draw sweeping conclusions from this little bit of knowledge is pseudoscience all the way, more’s the pity. I am willing to wait to draw conclusions. :)[/QUOTE]
Two different topics of study. The “God Spot” vs. NDE. Interesting that you prefer Newberg. He’s got some good stuff. Have read reviews and short synopses of his work. He’s on my ‘wish list’ for reading material. I find the two topics, NDE and The God Spot very interesting - The God Spot even in terms of how horses ‘think’ vs human thinking. To draw conclusions, tho, ultimate conclusions, shuts up the walls of the [thinking] box unless one is willing to take the conclusions to draw up continuing hypotheses for further explorations. I enjoy exploring … as always asking ‘why?’.
I’m de-railing the discussion above (or maybe re-railing), but ACV with mother was the ONLY stuff that worked on my old horse’s thrush. It would clear up instantly after trying all of the expensive stuff. However, it does not work as well on my new horse so I think it depends on the horse.
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I’m de-railing the discussion above (or maybe re-railing), but ACV with mother was the ONLY stuff that worked on my old horse’s thrush. It would clear up instantly after trying all of the expensive stuff. However, it does not work as well on my new horse so I think it depends on the horse.[/QUOTE]
Then, that something works on trush or some skin problems may be a red herring, because cleanliness and time also work, if you don’t use anything.
Sure, using some products will speed the process, maybe, but that trush went away is not a proof that whatever we used made it go away.
It sure would be easy if there was a linear, clear and simple cause and effect with all biological processes.
Not directed at the poster quoted, but I am surprised to see some posters still holding on the same pseudoscience, when that was debunked long ago, when those same topics were discussed.:no:
This may be appropriate here, thanks to CBS morning news:
Apophenia:
“Apophenia is the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.”
“Apophenia is the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.”
Awesome! Added to vocabulary.
It’s human nature to ask “why”. But it is also given to us these marvelous big brains to demand and understand solid and logical answers to the questions before drawing unshakable conclusions.
Back to the reality based, tangeble and useful side rather than the etherial, I have used ACV successfully as an “appetizer” for picky eaters. Mix it into the grain, and they will eat more of it. This gives great benefit for horses who need to eat more than they currently are eating. They will put on weight/muscle and general improvement in health and strength in conjunction with training and more feed going down the cake hole.
Also useful for many who travel w/horses. ACV in water at home will get them used to a certain odor that, when traveling, the ACV can be used in the ‘strange’ water to encourage the horse to drink.
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Back to the reality based, tangeble and useful side rather than the etherial, I have used ACV successfully as an “appetizer” for picky eaters. Mix it into the grain, and they will eat more of it. This gives great benefit for horses who need to eat more than they currently are eating. They will put on weight/muscle and general improvement in health and strength in conjunction with training and more feed going down the cake hole.[/QUOTE]
I’ll have to try it. My new horse is a very picky eater despite 30 days of Gastrogard and now the pop rocks. However, he won’t touch an apple, no matter how many times and ways I’ve offered them, so perhaps ACV won’t be much of a tempter.
Personally, I love the stuff and drench all of my veggies in it. I even find the smell - well - stimulating. :lol:
I use the Heinz version (no “mother”) but it works for me.
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