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Apple Trees! I need an expert

Ok COTH, being that horses love apples and we tend to have apple trees I felt maybe this would be a good place to ask about them.

I moved into my new house in April and it came with 8 apple trees. They are all very large trees, at least 30 feet tall. They also have been neglected for a few years. And I have no idea what to do to help them make fruit.

All the resources I seem to be able to find are talking about young trees. Well, I obviously can’t hand prune or hand spray a 30 ft tall tree.

Help?
Resources for taking care of mature apple trees?
Thanks

I belong to a garden forum and there was a man - orchardman- I think was his username- anyway he did this full time- took care of orchards and he was always advising on apple tree care.
Maybe your county extension office would have a contact person. There seems to be specific things to do to properly trim, prune and feed and spray.
The forum used to be GardenWeb now it’s Houzz. I’ll look around and see if he’s still on there.

Presumably the horses don’t have direct access to the trees–they can be a hazard

http://www.theequinest.com/apple-tree/

Seeds, stems and wilting leaves are toxic & can be fatal to equines.

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http://www.theequinest.com/care/toxic-plants/a/apple-tree/

no worries about the horses near them, they are literally in my side yard. If the horses are there they could break my coveted AC unit :slight_smile:

I tried to get an arborist but they were fully booked. Seems like it was something i needed to plan for in the fall for next year, but of course I couldn’t do that. Ill try the country extension office though, didn’t think of that!

Find a nearby orchard and see who they use. Apples aren’t quite like other trees. They like to be butchered, the problem is the timing. If you are in the Northern Hemisphere, too late for summer pruning. Wait until they are dormant, and then you want to take out anything that is crossing, weak, or getting too close to the house. You can easily cut them down by a third. The problem with drastic winter pruning is that next year the tree will be enthusiastic about vegetative sprouts, so you will have to follow up on that pruning. Don’t expect a good apple crop next year if you prune hard this winter. Turning neglected apple trees around is a multi year process. But worth it!
Frankly, I would also prune for aesthetics above production. 8 happy apple trees…is A Lot of apples. But the trees can be quite elegant in form if pruned for that.

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I would also wait and see how they produce this year.

I watch a couple of old feral apple trees in the parks. They don’t produce every year or not as much. But they do very well for totally neglected.

IME fall ripening apples are crisper and sweeter than the summer apples. So wait and see which you have.

Also some apple trees are fancy varieties grafted onto hardier stocks and sometimes the hardy stock takes over. This can happen with roses too, or used to.

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Deciduous fruit care will depend, in part, on where you live.

As noted above, I would contact your local county extension. They should have, at the least, a Master Gardener program who should be able to find appropriate resources to answer your questions about your apple trees.

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well, see if they can squeeze you in for an estimate.
There are certain times you prune certain trees. I used to know this back in the day, but my brain is going to mush.

County extention should be your first step, homsteaters might be a good resource as well, since they tend to go for multi use space.

You will probably cry after the arborist gets through with your trees, they will look like he killed them.
And yes, the good guys are in demand (have a FB friend in Texas who has more work than he can handle.) Maybe the guys you contacted can give you a referal to somebody who won’t actually kill your trees.
There are basic tree pruning rules, and you can’t hurt much if you go slowly. It might take a couple of years to rehab them, but apple trees are shockingly longlived.
Cut to strong, healthy branches, prune to an eye that points in the desired direction, etc.
Safety first though.

I also came across a website with heritage apples, and judging by the size you say they are they might be of a lesser known cultivar as well, and of interest to an orchard guy (to cut crafts for prosperity)

But yes, safety first.

Since apple wood is used for smoking, I am not too worried about toxicity, more about the damage horses do to trees.
My Grandpa had fruit trees all over the pastures by the house where the family grew their apples, cherries and such for the family. Of course you don’t want them in the pasture when a ton of apples are down at a time. That spells COLIC withbig bold letters.

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While this publication was written by the University of Arizona Cooperative Extension, the advice it gives about hiring an arborist is spot on and give you things to think about if you do choose to hire an arborist to prune your trees (I would recommend one).

https://extension.arizona.edu/sites/extension.arizona.edu/files/pubs/az1003-2020.pdf

This link will assist you in locating an arborist in your area, by entering your zip code.

International Society of Arborculture

https://www.treesaregood.org/findanarborist

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Once they reach a size higher than a 1 story house it becomes a safety issue, and seeing that they are next to the house, also a concern here.
Make sure they are bonded and insured!
(and it won’t be cheap, since they might need to bring not only a crew, but also cherry pickers etc)

That information is all in the publication I posted the link to and yes, ISA Certified arborists know how to safely prune even large trees and should be (but always check) insured.

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I largely meant for the homeowner. :upside_down_face:
Climbing around in trees and ladders can have it’s downfall - quite literally.

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Cut down the top 1/3 of the trees. Then the next year take out EVERY branch that grows out from under the branch it’s on. And EVERY long, straight “water sprout” coming from anywhere. Apple trees are hard to kill. The bottom line is you want a tree you can manage, with an open interior to allow for air flow to hinder the development of bacteria and funguses.

while that is likey what needs to happen, it is not something I would suggest a novice should do in a 30 foot tree without proper safety equipment. That is major tree surgery there.

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The more I read the more I definitely think I need someone to do it for me. Heights + sharp things seems like a bad idea

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We have a 100 year old (probably older) apple tree in the back yard. It’s easily 30 feet tall and it’s beautifully gnarled and provides shade for us all summer long. It’s beautiful and an absolute menace. Our tree and its sidekick tree in the driveway drop literal tons of apples on us all.summer.long. It sounds like constant warfare as the apples drop onto the metal roof of the woodshed, shop, and MIL house. They start to fall off when the apples are tiny, grape size, and it continues until the last one falls in October. The neighbor deer likely kept them cleaned up before we bought the place and fenced in the yard because there wasn’t an apple on this whole place when I first saw it in the spring. So now the deer hang out in the alley catching the bounty that is funneled to their side by the slant of the roofs. We use a manure fork and easily fill three or more big rubbermaid carts with apples on a weekly basis, one cart a day when the apples are bigger. We park the cart in the alley and the deer clean those up too. :laughing: I can hear them fall now as I type. If we don’t pick them up daily they rot in place, attract bees and flies and act like ball bearings to walk on or dog poo to squish on. The cats and dogs are constantly getting hit by falling apples. They look like GRAPES on the tree. Early in the spring we knock off as many blooms and baby apples as we can reach and still they fall. They land all over the cars and the windshield trenches of the rigs parked in back are filled with apples. When I drive away the Expedition and stop for the first stop sign apples roll off the roof rack and spill all over the street. We keep our pontoon boats back there and the last time we floated the river we were escorted downstream by apples bobbing along with us as they fell out of the nooks and crannies of the boats. By the end of the summer the only apples fit to use are 30 feet high and out of our reach. I’ve scavenged a few that were usable and they’re great, probably an old Jonagold variety. But I practically have to catch them as they fall so they aren’t bruised. Which isn’t hard to do since we have all been hit by falling apples and if you want an apple in late summer you just have to stand out there and wait a moment then try to catch it.

Despite all this, we love the freaking tree. It was neglected before I bought this house so was overgrown and tangled. Our new neighbor across the alley is an actual arborist so he helped my husband trim it up this early spring. They were merciless, trying to get us a year where we had shade and no apples, but it only worked on half of the big tree. The sidekick tree and half of the big tree seemed to feel compelled to do their part to make up for the lack of production on the non-flowering half so we gained no respite. I suppose we will tackle it again next year but holy mud. I call this time of year Applegeddon.

I googled a ton about this tree over the last few years that it’s been inflicting apples upon us. Most important to me is that the tree does not die, we love it unconditionally (and we would bake in the summer without it). We were glad when the arborist moved in and encouraged/helped us to cut it waay back but it had been neglected for so long we were only supposed to go 1/3 back, in addition to the shooters. There is a system to it if you want the tree to live. If you don’t care if the tree lives, you can carve it up with a chainsaw and the tree will LOVE it and reward you with perfectly behaved apples.

Our tree had enough large branches and the roof of the buildings were tall enough to be a big help as they cut but without those advantages I would definitely hire it out. There is an art and a significant danger to it.

I’d definitely talk to a pro since in addition to wanting them trimmed correctly there are several possible reasons why your trees aren’t having apples. Don’t fertilize under the trees since it can cause overactive vigor (?something like that), make sure you have pollinators, etc. Google will shed a lot of light for you too. Our tree is a work in progress because it’s not healthy either, it’s appling all wrong.

I would give my left arm if this tree would stop with the apples. It’s famous in the neighborhood for the constant whack…whack…whackwhackwhack!!..whack of apples hitting the metal roof. Thankfully our neighbors have a sense of humor about our situation and the deer love us. A little yearling buck and doe just walked by my window to check out the daily offerings.

You could put this in the “careful what you wish for” file. LOL I was SO excited when I found out this was an apple tree… :woman_facepalming: Good luck with your trees!

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Properly trimmed, the tree should give much fewer marble-sized apples and more regular sized apples. It won’t feel the need to self-thin. Of course then the apples will be big enough to dent what they fall on… :slight_smile:

Haha that is hilarious. Luckily our trees are far enough away the apples won’t fall on the house. But I’d love to get that many apples! I have 4 horses who want fresh daily apples and a ton of deer who would like that too.
I certainly want them alive. It’s a beautiful little orchard. If I get too many apples I actually have a family friend who makes cider so he would come take them.

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OnAMission, that sounds like the plot of a Hitchcock movie–“The Apples.”

:open_mouth:

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The Appening
Applegeddon 2: The return of the apples
Appled Alive
The Texas Apple Massacre
The Silence of the Apples
The Night of the Falling Apples
Paranormal Apples

I could go on :joy:

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