Appointment Classes

Maybe this belongs on the Hunter/Jumper BB, but I figured that you guys might know a fair bit, too, so I’m cross-posting…

What is correct attire, tack, and other equipment for an appointment class? They’ve been extinct for decades now and we’re thinking of reviving the class at a benefit show next fall. But to do so we would need to know correct appointments, of course! I know a bit, but certainly not everything.

I realize that the class probably won’t have many takers, but we already have a few people that have agreed to show in it. You’d be suprised what you can find in Grandma’s barn loft. :wink:

Mudroom

Has done very well in the Corinthian class (appointments in your wording) at the Camargo Hunter Trials, he could probably steer you in the right direction.

Appointments Attire Guidelines

B MASTER[/B]
CAP: Regulation black velvet hunting cap; the ribbons worn up for unpaid wearers–ribbons worn down for paid wearers.
NECKWEAR: Plain white hunting stock neatly tied and fastened with a plain gold safety pin. Latter should be horizontal.
COAT: Square-cornered single-breasted frock coat with collar of colors adopted by his hunt, two flap pockets–one on either side and a whistle pocket is permissible. The material should be of melton cloth or heavy twill. Scarlet or hunt livery color.
VEST: Preferably of plain white, buff, or yellow material.
BUTTONS: Must conform to hunt livery. Usual specifications are: Brass buttons on coat and vest engraved with the emblem of the hunt. Coat with four buttons in front, two behind and two or three small buttons on cuff of each sleeve.
BREECHES: White (buff or brown if according to livery of individual hunt). Of leather, heavy cord, twill or of any other heavy material. Should show four small buttons close together at the knee. Lightweight breeches of silk or cotton are not permissible.
BOOTS: Regulation hunting boots of black calf (not patent leather) with brown or colored tops, either polished or powdered, which should be sewn onto boots; tabs sewn on, but not sewn down to tops.
BOOTGARTERS: White (buff or brown) boot garters to match breeches must be worn. Between the two lowest buttons, the buckle against the buttons on the outside.
SPURS: Of heavy pattern with moderately short neck, preferably without rowels. Should be worn high on heel.
GLOVES: Heavy wash leather [chamois] or, if preferred, brown leather gloves.
RAIN-GLOVES: White or colored rain gloves should be carried under girth billets; each glove on the proper side of the saddle, thumbs against palm of glove and against saddle, fingers toward the front of saddle.
WHIP: Regulation hunting whip. Should be held two-thirds of the way up the stock (not at the end). Thong should be carried hanging (not looped).
HORN: Regulation hunting horn. If of English type, should be carried either stuck in front of coat, or if mounted, in leather case fastened on either side of front of saddle.
SANDWICH CASE AND/OR FLASK: (Separate or combined) must contain food and drink. Should not be carried by huntsmen or whippers-in, whether honorary or professional. Gentleman carry port, Ladies carry iced tea or sherry. The sandwich should be either turkey or chicken on white bread, crusts removed, cut on the diagonal, and wrapped in wax paper. Butter is optional, no mayonnaise allowed.

B HONORARY HUNTSMAN[/B]
“Turn out” same as for Master. Should carry utility pocket knife and wire cutters in a leather case on side in front of saddle.

B PROFESSIONAL HUNTSMAN[/B]
Same as Honorary Huntsman.

B HONORARY WHIPPER-IN[/B]
Same as Huntsman except:
Not permitted to carry hunting horn.
Set of hound couples fastened to a “D” on off side of saddle.
Coat should have a large “hare” pocket on inside of skirt.
SPARE STIRRUP LEATHER: Optional, but if carried, should be worn outside of coat, over right shoulder, under left arm, buckled in front, with the point of strap down.

B PROFESSIONAL WHIPPER-IN[/B]
Same as Honorary Whipper-In.

B GENTLEMAN MEMBER[/B]
HAT AND BREECHES: Hunting silk hat and white breeches must be worn with scarlet, hunt livery color, or black coat of swallow tail (shadbelly) or cutaway (weasel belly) type. Black hunting bowler and buff or brown breeches may be worn with black coat of any accepted formal cut, but hunting silk hat and white breeches are preferable.
HATGUARD: required. The color must match the coat color.
COAT: Scarlet, hunt livery color, or black; of melton or heavy twill. Accepted formal cuts as for example, frock coat with rounded skirts, swallow tail (shadbelly) and cutaway (weasel belly).
COLLAR: Same color as coat unless member has been invited to wear the hunt button in which case the collar should conform to the livery of the hunt and be worn only on coats of hunt livery color. Junior gentlemen, when invited to wear hunt buttons, should do so on their formal dark coats but not wear a hunt collar. Only exception is if Master specifically invites them to wear scarlet or hunt livery color.
BUTTONS: Must conform to hunt livery. Usual specifications are: Brass buttons on scarlet coat, brass or bone on vest. Black bone on black coat. If member has been invited to wear the hunt button, should be engraved with the hunt emblem, otherwise plain.
BOOTS: Same as Master except black boots without tops (butcher boots) must be worn with bowler hat. Patent leather tops not permitted.
BOOTGARTERS: Black if boots are without tops, must conform to color of breeches if top boots are worn.
NECKWEAR, VEST, SPURS, GLOVES, RAIN-GLOVES, WHIP, SANDWICH CASE, FLASK: Same as Master.

B LADY MEMBER (SIDE SADDLE)[/B]
HAT: Hunting silk hat with brim of 4.5-5.5”, or hunting bowler.
HATGUARD: Required unless veil is worn, then not permissible.
VEILS: Required unless hatguard is worn, then not permissible. Preferred with top hat.
HABIT: Dark blue or black melton or other dark cloth
BUTTONS: Should conform to hunt livery. Usual specifications are: Brass or bone on vest; black bone on black coat. If member has been invited to wear the hunt button, the button should be engraved with the hunt emblem; otherwise should be plain.
BREECHES: Of same color as habit.
BOOTS: Black boots without tops.
SPUR: Optional. If worn, must be high on the heel.
RAIN-GLOVES: White or colored rain gloves should be carried on off (right) side under billets and just showing in front of saddle flap. If an outside girthing sidesaddle is used, the gloves go under the flap, not just under the billets.
WHIP: Light hunting whip with thong.
NECKWEAR: Four-fold stock tie, tied neatly and fastened with a plain gold safety pin. Latter should be horizontal.
COAT COLLAR: Same color as coat unless member has been invited to wear the hunt button in which case the collar should conform to the livery of the hunt and be worn only on coats of hunt livery color.
GLOVES: Heavy wash leather [chamois] or, if preferred, brown leather gloves.
VEST: Preferably of plain white, buff, or yellow material.
SANDWICH CASE AND FLASK: Sandwich should be either turkey or chicken on white bread, crusts removed, cut on the diagonal, and wrapped in wax paper. Butter is optional, no mayonnaise allowed. Flask should contain either tea or sherry.
JEWELRY: Except for finger rings and small plain stud earrings for pierced ears, jewelry is not permitted. Boutonniere not permitted.
HAIR: Contained in a hair net, preferably in bun. Must be neat and unobtrusive.

B LADY MEMBER (ASTRIDE)[/B]
HAT: Black bowler hat. If cutaway (weasel belly) or swallowtail (shadbelly) is worn, a hunting silk hat with brim of 4.5-5.5” must also be worn.
HATGUARD: Required.
VEILS: not permissible.
COAT: Regulation hunting coat, cutaway (weasel belly) or swallow tail (shadbelly) of melton or other dark material.
BREECHES: Buff or brown (not white) in cord, twill, or leather.
BOOTS: Hunting boots of plain black calf. It is permissible to wear patent leather tops, tabs sewn on but not sewn down, to tops which should be sewn on boots.
BOOTGARTERS: Plain black or black patent leather if worn with patent leather tops
SPURS: Regular hunting spurs, preferably without rowels.
NECKWEAR: Four-fold stock tie, tied neatly and fastened with a plain gold safety pin. Latter should be horizontal.
COAT COLLAR: Collar the same as coat until invited to wear hunt buttons, then collar of hunt may be worn.
VEST, GLOVES, RAIN-GLOVES, SANDWICH CASE AND FLASK, BUTTONS AND WHIP: Same as Lady Member, Side Saddle, except the rain gloves will be carried one on each side under the billets, thumb folded and fingers forward.
(i) Hunting caps may be worn in the show ring except in appointments classes. In such classes caps may be worn only be those qualified under (a) through (h) above. Children under 18 years must wear ASTM/SEI approved helmets at all times.

TACK APPOINTMENTS:
BRIDLE: Must be either a double, Pelham, or single (snaffle). All leather must be flat. Reins and cheek pieces must be sewn to bit. A cavesson nose band must be used. Rubber reins are not permissible.
BEASTPLATE: Optional, but preferred.
MARTINGALE: Not permitted on the flat or in Hunter Hack, permitted in over fences classes only. If breastplate is worn, standing martingale attachment only.
SADDLES: Heavy, plain skirted hunting saddles of English or forward seat type either leather or cloth lined (preferably the former). Numnahs or saddle cloths not permissible. Sidesaddles may have either a doeskin or leather seat, and panels may be leather or linen. All sidesaddles must have a leaping head.
STIRRUP IRONS: Should be large, workmanlike, and polished. Stirrup pads should be removed.
GIRTHS: should be either Triple-fold leather or web, preferably the former. If white web girths are used, they should be properly cleaned and pipe clayed. No elastic permitted, and girth cannot be shaped. A Balance girth is required for sidesaddle.
GIRTH GUARDS must be worn in place over buckles.
BRAIDING: Manes and tails must be braided. (Exception: roached mane and pulled tails).

Judges should give particular attention to quality, condition, durability, and cleanliness of tack on each horse individually, and similarity of tack and collectively in Hunt Team or pair classes. In all appointment classes, both on the flat and over fences, horses and riders must show in full appointments. There will be no changing of tack allowed between the performance and inspection phases upon penalty of elimination.

They are not extinct! (even post Centennial)

Come to Camargo’s 69th annual Hunter Trials in Cincinnati on Oct 3!

http://camargohunt.org/Special%20Events/Hunter%20Trials/HTOverview.htm

p.s. I have a scan of the guidleines for the MFHA Centennial. If you want a copy, send me a PM with your e-mail address. It is very close to what SSR posted, but there are minor differences from hunt to hunt.

By the way, I don’t think the hunter/jumper board would even understand what you were asking about :wink:

Yes, we do, and have posted answers over there, too!

These classes used to be the highlight of hunter-land for us oldsters. We took as much care preparing for them as we did with our Sunday GP horses.

Lauriep: In this case, I am very pleased to be found to be incorrect!

Dauphine2: Where are you planning to have this?

Thanks for all of your responses guys!

The show is going to be held in central Connecticut, hopefully next fall. We didn’t come up with the idea until it was too late hold for this fall, unfortunately. We’ll decide what organization, ect. the show will benefit closer to the date of the show just because needs and situations do change. It’ll probably be held at the local fairgrounds. There’s a ton of room for parking and a temporary schooling ring, plus a sand (or maybe grass?) ring and a hunt field!

Is it possible to have the ribbon of your hunt cap turned the other way around? I’d like to participate the class and the ribbon on all the CO Hamptons is turned down. And I don’t think my mom would be too thrilled if I rode in her deffintaly-not-certified hunt cap with the ribbon up. :lol:

Oh, and what exactly is the procedure for this class? Should it just be run like a regular with special attention paid to the appointments, whether on the flat or over fences?

Mudroom: That show looks like a ton of fun, if only I weren’t so far away!

Dauphine, the class is run like a regular hunter class. But when the jog order is called, the riders come back mounted in the order called and the appointments are judged at this time. If something is found to be lacking, a contestant could be moved back in the line-up, like in a conformation class.

When we were doing it, it was fairly customary to leave the pads in your stirrups and tie up the lash of the whip when you jumped, and then get rid of them before the jog!

And hence you all could have been disqualifed, as "In all appointment classes, both on the flat and over fences, horses and riders must show in full appointments. There will be no changing of tack allowed between the performance and inspection phases upon penalty of elimination."

Does the judge consider the horse’s conformation, movement, and manners at all, or is it judged purely on the rider’s turnout?

They sound like a charmingly recondite idea, and must be spectacular to watch, although IMO the rules could be diplomatically updated such that a rider wouldn’t be penalized for wearing an ASTM or similarly approved helmet.

Oh, and boo, hoo - no canary breeches allowed! :cry: :wink:

[QUOTE=SidesaddleRider;4296000]
And hence you all could have been disqualifed, as "In all appointment classes, both on the flat and over fences, horses and riders must show in full appointments. There will be no changing of tack allowed between the performance and inspection phases upon penalty of elimination."[/QUOTE]

I am well aware of that. But the riders chose to take the risk, and I never heard of anyone being caught. Trust me, the show was a safer place with some of these riders having their stirrup pads and no whip lash tangling them up!

[QUOTE=Romany;4297565]
Does the judge consider the horse’s conformation, movement, and manners at all, or is it judged purely on the rider’s turnout?

They sound like a charmingly recondite idea, and must be spectacular to watch, although IMO the rules could be diplomatically updated such that a rider wouldn’t be penalized for wearing an ASTM or similarly approved helmet.

Oh, and boo, hoo - no canary breeches allowed! :cry: ;)[/QUOTE]

Absolutely the performance is judged, but not conformation. Appointments were usually, but not always, just in the working divisions (regular and amateur owner). I don’t remember the % that appointments counted, but I want to say it was 25%. Enough to be moved if you were incorrect, but if all were equal, the best performance would win.

one correction

Under Gentlemen Members, someone posted “scarlet coats”, which is improper for a gentleman unless he has his colors,(or is staff) “hunt livery” may be correct at some hunts, but generally, a gentleman wears a black melton until he gets his colors.

It says:
HAT AND BREECHES: Hunting silk hat and white breeches must be worn with scarlet, hunt livery color, or black coat of swallow tail (shadbelly) or cutaway (weasel belly) type. Black hunting bowler and buff or brown breeches may be worn with black coat of any accepted formal cut, but hunting silk hat and white breeches are preferable.

COAT: Scarlet, hunt livery color, or black; of melton or heavy twill. Accepted formal cuts as for example, frock coat with rounded skirts, swallow tail (shadbelly) and cutaway (weasel belly).
COLLAR: Same color as coat unless member has been invited to wear the hunt button in which case the collar should conform to the livery of the hunt and be worn only on coats of hunt livery color…

I’m sorry, I figured that if someone was doing a hunt appointments class, they were a hunt member (as you must be in most such shows that hold these now) and didn’t need it spelled out, and therefore didn’t feel it necessary to qualify the “given the right to wear scarlet” line, but I can change it.

It happened 2 years ago at Warrenton. The lady was last to go, then was called back first to jog. There was about a 10 min delay while she was changing all her tack, then when the judge called her on it, she argued. And she was excused. :wink:

Appointment classes do not require hunt membership. Corinthian classes do.

The riders who I was speaking about stopped at pads in the irons and tying the lash. There was no changing of tack other than popping the pads out and clipping the yarn tie on the lash.

Yes, and Corinthian classes are also limited to AMATEUR members only.

Something that I wish Warrenton would enforce, sigh.

Those of us of a certain age know. :wink: But there are many others on the H/J forum who would not but the topic does surface from time to time. In my day we also had appointment classes in the jr. hunter division. I’m so happy to hear that some shows are continuing to hold these classes.

I understand that there are/were practical reasons for the specific appointments, but I don’t understand the reasons for the sewn-in bit, no stirrup pads, no elastic in girths, and no rubber reins. Can someone enlighten me?

[QUOTE=Nbairnsfather;4338085]
I understand that there are/were practical reasons for the specific appointments, but I don’t understand the reasons for the sewn-in bit, no stirrup pads, no elastic in girths, and no rubber reins. Can someone enlighten me?[/QUOTE]

I believe that bits were sewn in so that if something snagged in the field the bit wouldn’t come off or something like that. And (at least when my mom was riding in the late '60s - early '70s) there simply were no elastic in girths or rubber reins.

Not sure about the bits, though and I have no idea about the stirrup irons.

Saw a baghide girth with no elastics in the tack store the other day. It made me smile, because it had obviously been dug out of a box somewhere in the back of the store. I almost bought it. It was very tempting - in my horse’s size, too! Can baghide be oiled? I wasn’t sure because it has that weird texture…