HIP 389 sold 575,000
HIP 329 RNA 120,000
HIP 453 RNA 475,000
HIP 586 RNA 140,000
HIP 657 RNA 90,000
389 went to āInternational Equity Holdingsā so sounds like potentially going overseas.
When then, for me, asks a question on these mares in foal to AP, how much of their purchase price is the AP foal and how much is the quality/pedigree of the mare herself? Ie, if she were in foal for a lesser stallion, how much less would she had sold for?
for the most part I think the mares that were selling were from decent pedigrees but havenāt produced much. Therefore I think the dollar amount you are seeing is what people were willing to bid for one of APās first foals.
snaffle1987, International Equity Holdings is Oussama Aboughazale who just bought a farm in Paris, KY. He is buying mares to breed to his stallion Protonico who will be new at Taylor Made this year.
OT, but what have you all heard about Smarty Jones babies post track (as sport horses)?
Id buy a smarty jones for sport. have heard good things about them and Iāve always admired Smartyās build. Looks like the type of stallion who could go stand in a hunter breeding class and do quite well. His Sireās sire, Gone West is out of a Secretariat mare. Both Gone West and Secretariat are known lines for quality sport horses with talent and athleticism. His sireās side also has names like Northern Dancer and Sir Ivor who are also prominent in pedigrees of TBās who do well as sport horses.
His dam was by In Reality who is doubled up on Man O War blood through War Relic and Man O War and his offspring, I always thought were always somewhere n the pedigrees of well conformed, good moving and quality TBās. In Reality was one of, if not the last, male line of Man O War left.
Sunny Smile, Smileās dam, was by a Bold Ruler son whoās dam line went back to Blue Larkspur and Sir Gallahad. Itās pretty far back but both of these stallions appear regularly in TB pedigrees who seem to do well in sport.
Sunny Smileās dam line goes back to Heliopolis, Hyperion, Omaha, SIr Gallahad, Turn To, etc. Heliopolis and Hyperion appear in many of the Bonne Nuit line horses who are successful in sport.
SMARTY JONEās dam was primarily European blood with a lot of influence from France. She was a foolish pleasure daughter who again, is Bold Ruler bred and also goes back to MAHMOUD who you can find in many proven TB sport lines. She is doubled up on Tourbillion (FRANCE) and her maternal line traces straight o LA TROIENNE and once again, Man O War. His dam has a very intriguing pedigree on paper and I wouldnāt be surprised to see Smarty Joneās offspring be successful on turf. Someone send a Galileo mare to him!
I would love to own a Smart Jones mare or gelding but I never see anything listed on any of the websites even though his offspring havenāt been terribly successful as dirt horses on the track. I have not seen him move under saddle but his shoulder tells me he could be a beautiful, daisy cutter-type mover. Was very happy to see Calumet scoop him up and stand him and they have a book of mares that I think could greatly compliment him
Would be nice to see what he crosses on a sport horse mare though!
HIP 389 sold 575,000
HIP 329 RNA 120,000
HIP 453 RNA 475,000
HIP 586 RNA 140,000
HIP 657 RNA 90,000
Wasnāt his stud fee alone $200,000? I would think that mares in foal to him would go for at least his stud fee? Unless they arenāt great mares. I really hope they are being careful who they breed him to, and arenāt just breeding him to whoever coughs up the cash.
Another question I have is, how much money to the owners actually get to take home of that $200,000? :eek:
Snaffle - last year a Smarty baby went through New Vocations. Actually, I think I have seen two go through there. They are out there!
@draftmare: the ālist priceā for AP may have been $200k, but that doesnāt mean the breeder paid the full amount. An unknown Joe off the street may end up paying more than a well known breeder in the industry with multiple mares who gets a discount etc.
his stud fee was listed at 200k but many got package deals for that price. 2 or 3 mares for that price.
thanks draftmare! He has produced a lot of foals. His most successful in Japan where successful on turf! which is no surprise to me!
I will have to keep my eyes peeled!
I suspect that very few, if any, less than āgreatā mares were bred to him.
If I had a less than great mare, donāt think thatās where Iād be spending my $$ on a significantly nicer stallion and I wouldnāt be surprised if Coolmore told me no if Iād asked 
Looking at Smarty Joneās progeny, there is a good chunk of his progeny who have all won well over 100K and not in a huge amount of starts either. So he really is not a failure by any means at all.
As far as AP; they wanted his first book to be a good one so he was bred to solid pedigree mares and several breeders has a 2 for 1 deal. WIll be interesting to see his offspring in 2 years and how they look.
Snaffle1987, thanks for the great information. This mareās dam is Clever Buddha. Sheās coming to me as an RRP project (along with one other). Having not met any SJ kids yet Iām excited to meet her tomorrow.
Sorry for the derail. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Good luck with her! that is great news!
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HIP 389 sold 575,000
HIP 329 RNA 120,000
HIP 453 RNA 475,000
HIP 586 RNA 140,000
HIP 657 RNA 90,000[/QUOTE]
Hip 302. RNA $185,000
http://apps.keeneland.com/sales/Jan17/pdfs/302.pdf
Pretty page, The dam is 24, nothing much going on, nothing helping, producing half sisters etc. Doesnāt help that her yearling Tiznow RNAās for $5,000, A now 2 year colt by Unbridled Song sells for $60,000 and is sent to Korea. Her first foal by Unbridled Song sells for $170,000 and never ran, never even had an official work-out.
The next 3 that did not sell and one that is an āoutā are Zayet owned mares.
http://apps.keeneland.com/sales/Jan17/pdfs/302.pdf
392 (not 329) $145,000 yearling. Bought by Zayet for $400,000 as a 2 year old in training. Lot of money for the pedigree. Made 1 start. Has been bred to his stallions. Not much pedigree to be breeding to a very expensive stallion. Granted he still owns shares in the horse so it is not coming out of his pocket.
Not the kind of mare that should be going to an expensive freshman stallion. Drags down the markets perception.
Hip 577 OUT
http://apps.keeneland.com/sales/Jan17/pdfs/577.pdf
Uninteresting old and dead family. Dam is 27. In foal on a June cover. āNo Reportā in 2013. Having aborted in 2014 a Paytner colt in 2016 she must have issues not being able to get in foal until June.
Hip 586
http://apps.keeneland.com/sales/Jan17/pdfs/586.pdf
Half sister to 392. $85,000 Zayat 2 year old in training purchase. Made 3 starts. Being bred to Zayat stallions
Hip 657. RNA $90,000
http://apps.keeneland.com/sales/Jan17/pdfs/657.pdf
Talk about throwing everything at the wall hopeing something will stick. $50,000 yearling purchase. Unraced. The dam is 17 and has produced nothing. IMO hardly worth breeding to a $10,000. Being bred to Zayat sallions.
None of these Zayat mares are the kind of mares that should be going to an expensive high profile freshman stallion. Drags down the markets perception. This kind of āshare holderā is a Stallion Syndicate managerās worst nightmare.
Hip 453 RNA $475,000
http://apps.keeneland.com/sales/Jan17/pdfs/453.pdf
This mare is interesting. Mainly because she is out of a highly coveted Niarcos/Flaxman family. They donāt let a lot leave their farm. But obviously the dam has been a disappointing producer. And they have other daughters out of her.
Flaxman took some money off the table and sold her at Goffs Ireland in 2015 as a racing/broodmare prospect. Bought by a friend and fellow horse trader with MUCH deeper pockets than mine for $287,000 (currency exchange rate). Looking to āspin herā and make some money.
Didnāt work. IMO wrong horse to have bred her to. She was offered in Keeneland Nov also, RNA $575,000
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^^^ OK, in my next life I want to have the knowledge, ability to analyze like that and write like that. A zillion thanks, must study and absorb.
gumtree, the pages on these mares all say ābelieved to be pregnantā. What if they are not?
The live foal guarantee $$ goes to the mareās owner?
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^^^ OK, in my next life I want to have the knowledge, ability to analyze like that and write like that. A zillion thanks, must study and absorb.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, you are always too kind. That was all pretty much basic stuff, most from memory/familiarity of pedigrees/families from a lifetime of going to sales. And some easy quick internet reference sites.
Before the internet we had to keep a pretty large expensive library of reference books, purchased and 'hand made". Bookshelves full of sale catalogs going back years.
When I would come back from Europe I almost always got checked out by customs. My luggage weighed a ton loaded with reference books.
But this kind of old school research made it āeasyā to commit to memory. Kind of had to, couldnāt lug a library around with you to various sales.
I am available if you ever need a personal adviser/consultant.
