AQHA Neck Testing at Horse Shows?

I agree that tying is important, and I’m guilty of enforcing this skill as much as I should’ve with some of the horses that I raised. They all tied and cross-tied, but were never really made to do so for long periods of time (probably the longest was 30-45 minutes). As a result, tying them at one-day shows was never great. They were fine if there was a hay bag in front of them, but would lose patience once the hay was gone.

My current gelding cross-ties very well and seems to love being in the cross-ties of the little shedrow barn where we board. In the summer there’s a ceiling fan above him, in the winter he has the sun shining on his hips at certain times of the day. He’d stand there for hours I’m pretty sure.

As for western pleasure, I swear that class is just a showcase for who can make their horse look the most intimidated and absurd. It’s especially apparent now that there is the working western rail class with horses that actually look like normal horses going around the ring at natural gaits.

My gelding is bred to do western pleasure and he absolutely DOES prefer to jog and lope. I don’t have to do anything horrendous to him to get him to jog nice and easy in a natural two-beat rhythm. He can slow it down pretty seriously and maintain his rhythm too. His lope is like a rocking horse, even when he was running in the pasture this morning before breakfast and bucking and farting, he just moves like a western pleasure horse…flat, sweepy, and “slow-legged”. I tried and tried to turn him into a lower-level dressage horse, but he hates the contact. Getting him in front of my leg and into my hands was a trial, one that ended up with me exhausted, him annoyed, and neither of us having a good time. He will literally drag his nose in the dirt at the walk and jog if I let him, and with zero contact at all, his head and neck float down to level with his withers when loping. Ears up, horse happy, rider happy.

So we do “at home western pleasure” which is literally a pleasure for both of us. Because there is nothing pleasurable about that mess in the show pen. And if you have to inject your horse’s neck with botox to keep it in the preferred frame, I’d say it’s time to do some serious soul-searching.

For the record…we also tried to play “at home cutting horse” the other day with the large flock of Canadian geese in the field. The two geese we’d “cut” from the flock took off flying which brought about an unplanned game of “at home bronc riding” for me. LOL! Still more fun than watching those ridiculous western pleasure horses.

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Sadly, the cutting is no longer a Congress event. They stalled on announcing what was going on, then said it would be held at the Champions Center in Springfield, then that got cancelled too. I think Lazy H held a “Congress” of their own? Ranch riding ran in the time slot that cutting used to afaik.

I’m bummed, always hoped I could show there and it looks like that won’t happen now. I’ve been told Congress paid out different and the organizers seemed annoyed by the footing needs. But it was nice to have a show in the area that pulled people from out of the region.

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Cuttings require many, many head of cattle.
Cattle have to be even so everyone has as the same chance as others, cattle not being too difficult for some, easy for others to show with.
A few years we provided about 1000 head for a big local cutting competition.
They required several hundred and fresh for each group, seems like we spent all day shipping cattle to them and back and they paid well for that service.
I can see why a large show with many other events may not want to try to manage that logistic nightmare and large added cost of livestock in large numbers.

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I looked at the 2019 show, pre covid, as a metric. Roughly 800 works, so roughly 2k fresh cows with the 2.5 cows per work requirement. I think that’s a bit different if it’s youth, rerun, open… but a lot of cows for sure. People were showing from GA, TX, and FL!

Definitely an undertaking logistics wise, but there were 59 in the 50k am and the entry fees aren’t particularity cheap. If they had a real interest in running it, they could make it work (even if it’s not the easiest event to run). Hopefully it comes back someday.

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That is sad. My daughter showed in the 13 & Under Cutting about 10 years ago, placed 3rd on a horse she’d only ridden a couple times before the class.

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I was at the Congress this week, and went to Rod’s Western Palace’s “real” store in Columbus. One of their sales people was telling us about the cutting being moved to Texas, and that the Congress was hoping to get it back in 2-3 years.

I showed cutters in the Northeast, and served on the board of directors for my state’s cutting horse association, which is a state very close to Ohio.

It was always hard to get good cattle for shows. Many times we ended up with Holsteins, which are not great to cut on. Weather also plays a huge issue, because if it is warm it is harder on then cattle and trucking does not help keep them fresh. Trucking in itself was not always easy, as it was hard to find and expensive.

If both cattle and footing are issues, I can certainly understand why Texas would be a better option.

I will say this too- most of the vendors I saw this week looked just plain tired. It must be incredibly hard to man booths for a month at a time, and still potentially have a brick and mortar store open at home at the same time.

We watched the trail, which to me was disappointing. It was more like just rails on the ground and western pleasure horses who were given an extra class to compete in. Many took little teenie baby steps, especially at the lope, and looked so unnatural. We watched somewhere between 10-15 horses go, and not one had the tip of its ears anywhere near its withers. All had fake tails, and many horses seemed to be annoyed by them.

Honestly, it came very close to making me ashamed to be an AQHA member. It was the first time I had been to the Congress in almost 30 years, and I did not walk away feeling that conditions for quarter horses have improved over the years!

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That’s really interesting to hear they’re trying to bring it back! Most of what I’d seen on the recent conversations is Facebook gossip and canned statements about the OQHA decisions pre-cancellation.

I’m also in a surrounding state and I don’t think it’s just Congress that struggles with the cutting - be it logistically or participation wise. So, to have a successful show with attendance and lose it, it’s a loss for the whole region. I’ve only been been observing as I saved for my own cutter, who’s now out of work… but I do hope that when we’re ready, there’s still participation in the area. I know the local affiliate has been a bit down.

We went yesterday to watch trail and mis-timed it, so trail was over by the time we walked into the Celeste building. So we hung around and watched 2 hunter under saddle classes. I have to say, that was the saddest bunch of horses I have ever had the misfortune to watch. We had to leave, couldn’t take it any more. And I love quarter horses! Sigh.

Just as a general question - what is it with all breeds and the pleasure classes? Over the past 30 years it seems like they’ve all evolved into something that is a caricature of the original idea of the class. I don’t much enjoy watching main ring Arab classes and I’m an Arab person who used to ride saddle seat. Apparently I am now an old codger too because I don’t like the newfangled stuff, but it’s hard to enjoy watching unhappy horses.

Which brings us back around to the original question that started this thread - if shooting up my horse with Botox is the only way to win, I’m out. This whole thing explains the huge popularity of ranch riding etc. at Arab, Morgan, and QH shows. But I feel so bad for the horses still showing in the “traditional” classes :frowning:

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@oldernewbie, I am glad to hear I am not the only one who reacted this way.

I absolutely love the quarter horse breed, but despise what has happened to these horses, particularly in the last 30 years.

I can remember being told that judges would not place horses if they were behind the vertical and the tip of the ear was below the withers. We can see where that got us!

I can remember the days of hearing about people deadening tails. Pull into an agreed upon meeting place, usually a horse show, and you didn’t even need to get the horse off the trailer. That made it much harder to get caught!

The thought of Botoxing a horse’s neck is appalling!

I started to move towards the ranch events in the late 90s, with the thought that at least the horses were still moving more naturally, and ended up accidentally in the cutting pen.

Yes, I have seen cruelty and mistreatment there too, but not as much as other show areas in the quarter horse industry.

I now trail ride, and cannot see going back to showing ever. My horses are turned out as much as possible and living their best lives. For me, there is no pressure to have to go somewhere or do something with my horses if they are off or not themselves.

I understand people work very hard to show at levels like the Congress, but at what cost???

If it is the welfare of the horse, it is certainly not worth it in my opinion!

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^^^^ This x 1000 in any discipline …to me.

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This is in the ranch classes as well. The ranch classes are quickly turning into reining lite.

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As someone who is relatively new to ranch rail, pattern, and trail classes, this makes me very unhappy. It seems like every time someone tries to create a division where people can show in a relaxed and natural fashion (read mostly just for fun), somebody else finds a way to ruin it.

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Nah, not ruin it, make money off of it and change it so they can make more.

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Try the ranch riding/ranch trail/ranch rail classes, you should enjoy them. They’re fun to watch, and not as painful as the reining/WP classes.

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While this is true at this very second, it is already trending towards horses locked in headsets, outrageously hard stops, and turns that tend towards spins.

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Showing is a competition, which in turn can bring out the worst in people.

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Oh we do watch them when we go to a show where they are offered. I have seen reining at 3 WEGs and really enjoyed it, but their latest mess about drugging the horses before a class has ruined it for me. :frowning: WP has been a hard no for quite some time, even at Arab shows. Love western dressage though!

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This must be a joke. How condescending. Do you have any idea how much it takes to train a good ranch riding horse? Based on this comment, I think not.

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Same amount as it takes to get a reiner about 3/4 of the way through, because over half of them are reining drop outs. :slight_smile:

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Not really, reiners are extremely well trained and for many ranch classes are but one more place to show, if they have talent for that.
Cross training helps horses and riders stay fresh.

What limits any horse from being very good to excellent at any task, reiners also, is talent.
All the try won’t help compete with those that are naturals at what they do, be it reiners, cutters, racers, jumpers …

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