Can anyone tell me about this mare’s pedigree:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/de+lite+of+isis
I know very little about Arabian lines and only recognize Bask and the Al-Marah prefix in her pedigree. It seems like she has some old lines up close?
How are these lines regarded in sport? Came across this mare as a pony hunter broodmare. I have a soft spot for arabs - My first pony was an arab cross and he was awesome!
Actually is a Polish/Crabbet pedigree. Lots of small in this pedigree, would be great for breeding sport ponies. Gulastra & Witez II you see iin very successful endurance horses, lots of good bone and soundness. Hal Gazal, even though he was an English horse, produced a lot of Western horses. *Bask was used a lot in his day and now we see several crosses to *Bask in many pedigrees, sometimes it works but other times there are a lot of conformational problems. Would have to see your horse to have any thoughts on how this worked with this individual. Lots of good working horses in this pedigree. The Al-Marah horses have been making a name for themselves in Pony Hunters, they have great dispositions, Kristen Hardin’s son has been showing an Al-Marah stallion, and a very good jump.
I can’t tell you terribly much about the specific lines, but I’ve been told numerous times that Polish lines are highly desirable for endurance and sport.
I would penalize her for the Bask which is a bit hot for children but the rest of the pedigree should work for what you want. Saklawi type is present in most of the pedigree and this is that more rectangular bodied, pretty soft expression and longer flatter movement. So it would be good if that is the type she looked like herself…if she did I would expect her to be pretty predictable to throw it. The Bask type though is the opposite…up headed, firey eye, brio, park action and she has multiple Bask on both sides of her pedigree. She also has multiple Negatiw and Raffles and that is the type that work better for you. Good Luck PatO
I’m going to politely and respectful disagree with the above post about *Bask. To make a blanket statement about *Bask horses being too hot for children is just wrong. As an example, I looked up the winners from this year’s Arabian Youth Nationals, the majority of the Top Ten horses in every single class has *Bask in its pedigree. One of my best friends son’s Regional Winning Walk/Trot horse in Western & Hunter has 4 crosses to *Bask and is by no means too hot for a child.
With many crosses to *Bask you have a greater risk of some undesirable conformational issues, but many of them are extremely ammy friendly.
This is a CMK and Polish pedigree, probably tipped more to the CMK side. *Bask’s best performers were out of CMK mares, like La Basquette’s two granddams, Habina++ and Milabbisa, and like Firebrand’s dam Lakshmi. Gulastra, on the top, is still a presence in winning endurance pedigrees, and the Rodania family is one of the largest and most successful in the breed.
I agree; she seems to be a mix of Polish & Crabbet with a bit of Kellogg in there as well. Raffles, Rifala & Raseyn were all sired by Skowronek (Crabbet). In fact, I’m betting if you do the math, she has MANY more crosses to Skowronek and Mesoud than Bask.
Negatiw, Ofir, Gulastra (who was linebred to Mesoud) and Bask are all horses I like to see in a working/performance horse pedigree. I have a mare with 3 lines to Bask (up closer than this mare) and she is tough as nails. I don’t know that I would recommend her for a kid or a beginner, but I sure love her.
As far as researching her pedigree, you do know that if you click on any horse’s name with a red star they will give you info on that horse & often a pic. And if you want to see % of linebreeding/inbreeding you can enter her (if she’s not there already) into the SportHorse Data base…if will trace her back 12 generations & give you all kinds of nifty breeding info.
You have to judge every horse for what it is, and I’ve seen many horses with super pedigrees that were junk. But JUST from looking at this mare’s pedigree, I would think she would be an awesome broodie to produce GRP or smaller sport ponies/horses.
OP: Ok, you owe me :D.
Put her in Sport Horse Data base:
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10983153&blood=10"a=
If you go down to the bottom you can see a part that says “Blood Quota”. You can ask for the % of ancestors in either Double or Xdouble and either 5 or 12 gens.
If you do Double x 12 gens you will see this mare has 24 (!) crosses to Skowronek verses 3 crosses to Bask. Of course, the Bask is up closer, so she is (by blood) 18.8% Bask, but 13.5% Skowronek!
For those who get so spooked and hysterical about linebreeding/inbreeding, study her pedigree. This gal is HEAVILY linebred. Granted, it’s pretty far back, but she has FORTY-FOUR crosses (in 12 gens) to “Rose of Sharon” a super mare who was one of the cornerstone “grand dames” of Crabbet Stud and then imported to America. She had 13 PB Arabian foals and founded her own dynasty that still is active today. She is actually 3.5% ROS.
And this will really freak you out: she has EIGHTY-FIVE crosses to Mesaoud in 12 gens…something like 16 crosses in the 12th gen. alone. Mesaoud was again, a cornerstone stallion for Crabbet and (I think) both his parents were desert bred. VERY handsome, sturdy guy and one of the big cheeses in Arab breeding.
But this sort of heavy inbreeding/linebreeding is done in all livestock when first establishing a “breed”. TBs, Morgans, etc are no different. You use afew superior individuals to establish type and breed qualities. After the first 4-6 gens THEN you start outcrossing, but still “go back to the well” every once in a while to get that good blood.
The Arab folks have been doing this sort of breeding for ages…sometimes it backfires, but still, for the most part, it works pretty darn well.
As for her prospect as a broodmare, expect her to be the prepotent producer because Bask was super prepotent & so was Skowronek. So when picking a stallion, find one who is equally strong in pedigree (linebred) and seriously prepotent.
Nice mare on paper anyway. And I would not expect her to produce much height…there isn’t much of that back there.
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