Arapahoe Park Co OTTB fans

Any OTTB fans in the Denver area? There is a horse we bred Moonstruck Cowboy who we lost to the claiming ranks at Penn a few years ago. Bad decision on the trainer and our part. He went up the ladder after we lost him. I hoped he would drop back down at some point and or be retired and we would take him back.

He got sold privately and shipped west. Where he has been bouncing around. He’s now running at Arapahoe Park on Saturday the 25th bottom level claiming at 7 for $3,200. This guy has won close to $200,000 IMO he has earned his retirement.

He is/was a really nice horse, good looking, nice mover. As with all my young horses when I start them he was jumped around logs and things at the farm. Did it nicely and willingly.

We are happy to pay the claiming price, well not happy, to get him in a deserving home. Really don’t have the funds to claim him and ship him back east.

If we have to claim him next time would need someone to do it for us. If anybody is interested and or knows of someone that would be interested please get on to me. We buy him they get a nice horse.

Thanks

Sounds like a fantastic deal for someone in CO & of course for “Cowboy”… gumtree, I wish more people could see there are plenty of wonderful connections like you on the track. :yes:

Good luck…my two are Arapahoe Park alumni. Have you contacted anyone at
Colorado Canter?

Gumtree, I can hook you up with the trainer’s number when I get home, and also a contact or two that could claim him for you, if need be.

gumtree,
CANTER Colorado has an owned-horse retraining program, and your horse might fit right in. They are very active in promoting trainer owned and their CANTER owned horses for sale. I think Simkie has contacts with them but also here is their Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/CANTERColorado?fref=ts

I do have a stall and would be a back up possibility for you, was planning to possibly horse show Sat, but horse is not really ready…

It would be nice to know the current state of soundness.

Edited to say: gumtree, you are pretty dialed in to racing. Why can’t 5% of a horse’s winnings go to a retirement bank account managed by a volunteer group with accounting skills? Paid directly by the track. Everyone gets a percentage of the winnings, except the horse. At only 5%, this horse would have close to a $10,000 retirement fund.

This is wonderful. I wish you the very best.

[QUOTE=Plumcreek;8241519]
gumtree,
CANTER Colorado has an owned-horse retraining program, and your horse might fit right in. They are very active in promoting trainer owned and their CANTER owned horses for sale. I think Simkie has contacts with them but also here is their Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/CANTERColorado?fref=ts

I do have a stall and would be a back up possibility for you, was planning to possibly horse show Sat, but horse is not really ready…

It would be nice to know the current state of soundness.

Edited to say: gumtree, you are pretty dialed in to racing. Why can’t 5% of a horse’s winnings go to a retirement bank account managed by a volunteer group with accounting skills? Paid directly by the track. Everyone gets a percentage of the winnings, except the horse. At only 5%, this horse would have close to a $10,000 retirement fund.[/QUOTE]

To be clear Cowboy did not win/earn us $200,000. We lost him as a 4 year old in his 8th start having won broken his maiden in his 7th after running in non-claiming races. At that time he had won around $15-20,000 for us. We had far more into him with breeding/raising/training expenses. He ran claiming once more I think but we didn’t have the money to claim him back. The person who took him won over $150,000 with him and then sold privately. It would be nice to think that they are on the “look out” for him also. But I doubt it.

Some tracks, Penn National being one collects $10 from the owners of each horse that gets in the gate in every race. The money given in grants to re-homing organizations like Canter, etc.

I hear what you are saying and in a perfect world owners and breeders would make sure their horses are provided for upon retirement. A lot do, at least owners, not so sure about breeders. Owners are footing the majority of expenses. When a horse shows earnings of $200,000 over a couple of years of racing people forget that is the horse’s total earnings. Subtract 20% that the trainer and jockey takes, around $35,000 a in training expenses, thousand more in vet, and other nickel and dime stuff and the cost of the horse. So, taking another 5% might seem excessive. A lot of the big KY commercial breeding factory don’t do much more than provide “window dressing”. The have the land, facilities and funds. IMO they could allocate and fund a re-school program also on their farms.

Taylor Made Farm makes huge money from selling thousands of horses a year at 5% commission plus expenses for small breeders. They contribute little to nothing.

The TB industry is by far, bar none that is and has been making great strides in helping with the re-homing. I personally think the “end user” should shoulder a big part of that responsibility. Unfortunately claiming horses are usually the ones that get the very short end of the stick. They can go through a lot of “owners” by the time their usefulness as a racehorse comes to an end. A lot of the bottom level owner/trainers are just scraping by they are not that interested nor have the funds to do “the right thing”. They’re just hoping that they are not the last “claimer” to be left with the horse “when the music stops”.

It’s a part of the sport/industry that I try not to let horses we have bred fall into. I and others can only do so much.

Thanks for the reply and interest.

[QUOTE=Simkie;8241455]
Gumtree, I can hook you up with the trainer’s number when I get home, and also a contact or two that could claim him for you, if need be.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, do you know the trainer? If so and you are up to it contact them on our behalf letting them know the above.

[QUOTE=Simkie;8241455]
Gumtree, I can hook you up with the trainer’s number when I get home, and also a contact or two that could claim him for you, if need be.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, do you know the trainer? If so and you are up to it contact them on our behalf letting them know the above.

[QUOTE=BasqueMom;8241160]
Good luck…my two are Arapahoe Park alumni. Have you contacted anyone at
Colorado Canter?[/QUOTE]

I have dealt with Canter PA. I wonder if CO Canter would take him and find him a home if we were able to buy and or claim him? They are welcome to keep what ever re-homing fee they get.

[QUOTE=beowulf;8241119]
Sounds like a fantastic deal for someone in CO & of course for “Cowboy”… gumtree, I wish more people could see there are plenty of wonderful connections like you on the track. :yes:[/QUOTE]

Thanks but there are a lot of people in the industry that donate funds. And or look after their own. We do both.

But I would like to see everyone,racetracks, jocks, trainers, farriers, VETS, shippers, feed companies etc. Each and everyone that makes a living with TBs, hands on or suppliers step up and write a check each year.

Sent you an email, gumtree.

" To be clear Cowboy did not win/earn us $200,000 " I understood that. I think a small percentage should be taken out of the purse under all owners over a race horse’s career. Same could be done for yearling sales checks for the breeding farms or 2 year sales pinhookers. Everyone who has a monetary relationship with a race horse could contribute a small bit.

But I understand that few will step up. Thank you for doing so for this gelding.

Hopefully Simkie has given you good contact info. I would definitely send a message to Canter Colorado by email or Facebook page message. However from their Facebook posts, I believe they only take and rehome horses with a riding career future.

Isn’t this the same horse that you had a thread about last year? Hope you get him!

Gumtree- I’m sending you a PM. I live in CO and am looking for a new horse.

ETA- your inbox is full :frowning:

gumtree’s email is in his profile, dani :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Simkie;8243550]
gumtree’s email is in his profile, dani :)[/QUOTE]

Thank you! Email sent :slight_smile:

Update ???

[QUOTE=Plumcreek;8245042]
Update ???[/QUOTE]

Many thanks to Simkie for all of her help. And Dani for her interest and very kind email. And to the good folks at Canter Colorado.

Unfortunately due to an email program change my stable mail was not added to “safe sender” so I wasn’t getting notifications. I missed the early entry notification and didn’t put this in motion in time to get things sorted out and organized before he ran. Finding a trainer that would be willing to go to the hassle of claiming him, wiring the funds, etc.

I was hoping for our sake that he would run poorly and the connections would be willing to sell him for the claiming price or less. But he outran his “odds” running second in a photo finish. “Missed by a nod”.

It’s been my experience it is not worth contacting the connections after a horse ran a good race. They most likely would want the claiming price and the purse money he could win in his next race. Which would be around $6,000+. Not in our budget.

Hopefully he will run back before the end of the meet and we will have a shot at him again.

Many thanks for everyone’s interest.

[QUOTE=rustbreeches;8242197]
Isn’t this the same horse that you had a thread about last year? Hope you get him![/QUOTE]

Yes, but he was running at a higher level then. I think for different connections also. Canter folks looked at him at the races and said he looked in good shape and well looked after.